Star Wars - Part 7

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That dog commercial was great although I don't think it tops the kid Darth Vader one from that last year. That commercial was one of the most ingenious and greatest commercials I've ever seen.
 
Thebumwhowalks said:
I haven't read the New York times article yet, but this aicn article(which comments on it) has an interesting quote from Lucas about the prequels.. - “Why would I make any more, when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?”

It sounds like he might have actually made more SW films if folk had not been so viscous about the films, and I mean, viscous personally as well as about his creativity.
I don't think TPM and AOTC were good movies, but they had some amazing set pieces and SW moments, I wouldn't have minded even getting some more SW films of that quality, and RoTS was a worthy addition to the old series.

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In the new york times article he sounds like Cartman from South Park when someone upsets him. "Screw you guys! I'm going home!" Or the kid on the playground who would taske his basketball and leave because someone said he sucks at the sport. If he cant take the heat maybe he should retire. I do feel bad that he feels the only option is retirement when it clearly isn't. He could please a big chunk of his fan-base by releasing the original cuts of the OT restored on blu-ray. Does he have to? Nope, but it would certainly be an awesome gesture of kindness and care. That kindness and care would be repaid.

Come on, George, these films aren't just for your enjoyment, but also for the audiences. Honestly, if he would release the original Star Wars in its original cut without all the Special Edition changes and add-ons I wouldn't have anything against him. That's my only gripe. I could care less that I don't like the prequels. I never really needed em in the fiirst place. They are for others to like. Me I just want the option to watch the pre-SE Star Wars in prestine quality on blu-ray along with the SE. Many other old movies have this option to watch different cuts in equally good quality. I would like the same with Star Wars, also.
 
It wasn't like a they said he sucked as a filmmaker...They said he raped their childhood. They equated his new movies and changes to the old ones with the worst possible thing you could do to anyone let alone a child.
Thats not a little insult.
They took to his daughter's twitter account and complained about the prequels and the changes...as if she had anything to do with it...and when they were done they started to insult her and him.

So why should he continue to make movies for this fan base?
Yes I know everyone isn't like that nor did it but the loud angry ones are the ones who got all the attention.
How many websites reported his retirement as something Star Wars fans should be happy about because it meant he wast gonna mess with the films anymore?
At least four on FB that I have stopped following.
 
Spider-Who? said:
How in the world do you take this quote and twist it into an evil, tyrannical dictator who is punishing his slaves?



This is a man who has dedicated his life to creating these stories. He is now nearly 70 years old. For the last 15 years, he has tried to make his stories better, and to bring new films out, and yet, he is treated like a horrible person. You should see the videos of fans booing him at conventions. Since the mid 90s, he has been unable to do ANYthing SW movie related without a terrible and personal backlash from "fans". Why on earth would a 70 year old man want to continue? How can you blame him for saying "I don't want to do anymore".?



He's selfish? Lucas is an avid supporter of education, cancer research, and the creative arts. He works closely with the following charities and foundations:

Artists for a New South Africa
Bid 2 Beat AIDS
Edutopia - The George Lucas Educational Foundation
Film Foundation
Make-A-Wish Foundation
Racing for Kids
Stand Up to Cancer

He's donated $175 million to his alma mater to help improve their film degree. And he has donated half his wealth (a donation of nearly 1.25 billion) to charity. Yes, he is truely a selfish person who swims in all the money he's stolen from loyal fans. It's not like he puts the money to good use or anything.



So you don't consider all the charity work, improvements to cinema and film technology, and donations to film schools to be gratitude? I guess its natural that you would ignore how much he has done for cinema, and how much he has selflessly given to help others because it suits your agenda.

Him not wanting to make any more films has nothing to do with him not caring. And I really don't see how this makes him an ungrateful *****e at all. He could have easily stopped everything after Return of the Jedi. No games. No comics. No statues. No expanded universe books. Nothing. But he has allowed fans to embrace the stories and build upon them and turn them into their own for over 2 decades, and aside from his retirement from hollywood films, has no plans of ending this symbiotic relationship.

I'm not a Lucas-apologist, and I'm right there along side sane fans who don't agree with many of Lucas' creative decisions over the years. But Star Wars is HIS. He has every right to do with it as he sees fit. If fans don't like it, they don't have to spend their money on it. Simple as that. If you want to be upset that Lucas is not going to make any more SW films, fine. We all can be upset, but to react like you are and to interpret his motivations like you are is ridiculous. If he has no more film-worthy stories to tell, that's fine. If he is simply tired of the personal attacks and grief angry mobs give him, that's understandable, too. To be completely blunt, it's "fans" like you who can be blamed for beating an old man into exhaustion.
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I've been saying this for a long time. Thank God there is a voice of reason here.

Like I said, the haters don't have facts. They only have prejudices to twist their own thoughts on him into something that's not. All of my knowledge has come from facts over the years, and what I have gathered is that Lucas is not a greedy bastard and has never went from good to bad. The latter is even more insane to think about.
 
Erz: One of my hopes with the LAS is that they show how Wedge ended up with the Rebellion. It would be a nice way to get to know the ANH pilots better.

jacobed said:
That dog commercial was great although I don't think it tops the kid Darth Vader one from that last year. That commercial was one of the most ingenious and greatest commercials I've ever seen.
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Yeah, that one's adorable :woot:
 
Marvolo said:
In the new york times article he sounds like Cartman from South Park when someone upsets him. "Screw you guys! I'm going home!" Or the kid on the playground who would taske his basketball and leave because someone said he sucks at the sport. If he cant take the heat maybe he should retire. I do feel bad that he feels the only option is retirement when it clearly isn't. He could please a big chunk of his fan-base by releasing the original cuts of the OT restored on blu-ray. Does he have to? Nope, but it would certainly be an awesome gesture of kindness and care. That kindness and care would be repaid.

Come on, George, these films aren't just for your enjoyment, but also for the audiences. Honestly, if he would release the original Star Wars in its original cut without all the Special Edition changes and add-ons I wouldn't have anything against him. That's my only gripe. I could care less that I don't like the prequels. I never really needed em in the fiirst place. They are for others to like. Me I just want the option to watch the pre-SE Star Wars in prestine quality on blu-ray along with the SE. Many other old movies have this option to watch different cuts in equally good quality. I would like the same with Star Wars, also.
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Why didn't you quote the post I made to that other guy, where I answered the exact same diatribe? You already know my opinion on this, I guess you just want to rant and rave for the hell of it...because all you have typed up here is the exact same diatribe I already answered to another person, and the billionith complaint about the original cuts not being released in cleaned up form.
I wouldn't mind them being released either, but I'm not gonna moan about it any longer, the SE adds are not that bad, and when I want to watch the original cut of Jabba's band, i have the laser disc cut he put on dvd to watch, along with the SE dvd cut of RoTJ without the added 'Noooo'.

Most of the adds actually benefit the films...the battle of Yavin is much better on the SE of ANH....the ESB cut is superior in all ways to the theatrical....and as I said, my only point of contention with RotJ is the changed band, so I just watch the laserdisc transfer, which is still pretty good quality, and then switch discs after that section of the film.
If you don't want to watch RoTJ with the added 'Nooooo' on the blu-ray, just switch to your dvd version for the end of the movie.

Anyway, Lucas has given legal permission to anyone to do their own cuts of the films and release them for free on the internet, or by passing on discs, so you *can* track down a cut, or make your own from these sources.
that's what I'll do one day when I get access to the proper tech/software...edit the three versions of RoTJ, laserdisc, dvd, and Blu-Ray, until I get the cut I prefer.
 
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Marvolo said:
In the new york times article he sounds like Cartman from South Park when someone upsets him. "Screw you guys! I'm going home!" Or the kid on the playground who would taske his basketball and leave because someone said he sucks at the sport. If he cant take the heat maybe he should retire. I do feel bad that he feels the only option is retirement when it clearly isn't. He could please a big chunk of his fan-base by releasing the original cuts of the OT restored on blu-ray. Does he have to? Nope, but it would certainly be an awesome gesture of kindness and care. That kindness and care would be repaid.

Come on, George, these films aren't just for your enjoyment, but also for the audiences. Honestly, if he would release the original Star Wars in its original cut without all the Special Edition changes and add-ons I wouldn't have anything against him. That's my only gripe. I could care less that I don't like the prequels. I never really needed em in the fiirst place. They are for others to like. Me I just want the option to watch the pre-SE Star Wars in prestine quality on blu-ray along with the SE. Many other old movies have this option to watch different cuts in equally good quality. I would like the same with Star Wars, also.
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Yeah, if Lucas would release the original trilogy in blu-ray and high-def, without any of that SE crap, then I'd appreciate him very, very much. I have the original SW in DVD, but it's obvious that Lucas just release them without any works done to improve their quality, and it seemed like he did it reluctantly, just so the SW fans would get off his back, while he spent all his resources on the SE releases. Unfortunately, Lucas still doesn't get why fans would rather watch the original, Solo-shot-first edition than the bloated mess he created in SE with all those unnecessary changes. Yes, those are his films and he do whatever he wanted with them, but he shouldn't expect the fans to embrace everything he makes. It's too bad that now he's saying that he'd rather retire than hearing the criticisms, which some are probably mean-spirited but others have valid points.
 
Raiden said:
It's too bad that now he's saying that he'd rather retire than hearing the criticisms, which some are probably mean-spirited but others have valid points.
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I think what many people here are failing to realize is that he isn’t retiring because people call him names. He’s retiring because he feels he, as Rick McCallum put it, has “done everything he's ever wanted to do. He will have completed his task as a man and a film-maker” after Red Tails.

He’s an old man who has been working tirelessly in the film industry for 40+ years. He doesn’t feel like making blockbusters anymore, and would rather focus on smaller, experimental films. Making a big blockbuster film is an extremely taxing thing, one can only have the energy and dedication to deal with all the drama of it and the studios (drama which has been well documented throughout his career). He feels he has done all he wants to do in the commercial market, and would rather spend the remainder of his days playing around with smaller independent films. It’s his version of retiring and spending every day on the golf course. What’s so bad about that?

It’s like people aren’t even reading any of the actual interviews, and are just basing all of their opinions and gut reactions on one, tiny quote. *sigh*
 
Raiden said:
Yeah, if Lucas would release the original trilogy in blu-ray and high-def, without any of that SE crap, then I'd appreciate him very, very much. I have the original SW in DVD, but it's obvious that Lucas just release them without any works done to improve their quality, and it seemed like he did it reluctantly, just so the SW fans would get off his back, while he spent all his resources on the SE releases. Unfortunately, Lucas still doesn't get why fans would rather watch the original, Solo-shot-first edition than the bloated mess he created in SE with all those unnecessary changes. Yes, those are his films and he do whatever he wanted with them, but he shouldn't expect the fans to embrace everything he makes. It's too bad that now he's saying that he'd rather retire than hearing the criticisms, which some are probably mean-spirited but others have valid points.
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He does listen to fan's gripes with the SE changes, he did go back and take out the added Luke scream in the ESB SE, and re-configured the Han/Greedo shoot out so that they now basically shoot at the same time.
But, with the other adds, he just disagrees, and thinks they improve the movies.

I don't see how the adds make the movies a 'bloated mess', for the most part they are just little tweaks here and there, with occasional added scenes, like Jabba, and Luke meeting Biggs.

and, at least he has given permission for fans to make their own cuts and pass them out for free, as long as you buy copies of the movies in some form in the first place. So, Sw fans will always be able to get the kind of cuts they want, if they know where to get them on the internet.

edit: I'd like them relased without SE adds, and with cleaned up prints too, but, I'd still want to watch the SE's in conjunction with them.
Like, I'd want to see the SE battle of Yavin, as it is improved, I'd watch the complete SE of ESB, but I'd watch the untampered RoTJ.
 
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Spider-Who? said:
How in the world do you take this quote and twist it into an evil, tyrannical dictator who is punishing his slaves?
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No I twisted the quote into an adolescent hissy fit. it wasn't hard to do.

Spider-Who? said:
He could have easily stopped everything after Return of the Jedi. No games. No comics. No statues. No expanded universe books. Nothing. But he has allowed fans to embrace the stories and build upon them and turn them into their own for over 2 decades, and aside from his retirement from hollywood films, has no plans of ending this symbiotic relationship.
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By "allowed" you mean he sold licenses to his properties and rakes in profits from the work and imagination of others? Very selfless cuz he did that for the "fans".

Spider-Who? said:
So you don't consider all the charity work, improvements to cinema and film technology, and donations to film schools to be gratitude?
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The man has been WELL compensated for ALL he's done. What does it harm him to give the fans that made all his good work possible that for which they plead. I'm not even talking another trilogy. Things like Star Wars on DVD, or Bluray. The theatrical cut.

There are many wealthy philanthropists. However, giving to charity doesn't erase poor decisions or make him any less stubborn or greedy. I could list all the charities different sports figures and celebrities support. But it doesn't make them angels. If he had invested more in pleasing his fans and less in reediting and do-overs we most likely wouldn't be having this debate.

Spider-Who? said:
But Star Wars is HIS. To be completely blunt, it's "fans" like you who can be blamed for beating an old man into exhaustion.
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I pointed out in my post, I have not been a fan for a long time. But I will take the hit for making him retire.

Also, Star Wars stopped being only HIS when he sold the first book license. When other writers and fans started creating original content it was no longer HIS alone.

Your post is absolutely correct and I can identify with everything you said (except for SW being HIS). If fans were unsatisfied with the product they SHOULD move on. However, that doesn't mean it is right to stick your thumb in the eye of your contributors and fans., then whine about what a victim you are.

As for beating up an old man (dramatic). There are many better directors that work a lot harder than Lucas and suffer criticism (certainly not as much in all fairness). Clint Eastwood comes to mind.

George wants to retire that's fine, but come down off the cross. Cut the cord and give SW to the next generation. Instead fans can look forward to shelling out more cash for another edit when the next format is pioneered.

Since this is a site that cherishes others opinions, I guess mine might still be valid.

IMO Lucas stopped being a filmmaker and became a profiteer when ROTJ was released. It was really the first time I recognized what it meant to sell out. The recent trilogy did nothing to change that notion.

He created and fed the cult that is Star Wars. He can say now that he doesn't approve, that he never wanted this type of following and that he is a victim of his own fame but he did nothing to dissuade it when it was making him rich.

To your point, he could have stopped at Jedi and rode off into the sunset a winner if he was feeling this much pressure. But no, he has to "improve" and rerelease the trilogy. Then drag his feet in adapting to DVD. Then make the new trilogy which removed any doubts about his skill as a director. Then drag his feet again adapting to Bluray. And now rereediting and rereleasing in 3D with the 3D Bluray DVDs still looming far in the distance. Amazing what happens to your fanbase when they are ignored and debased. A labor of love? … puhlease! It might fulfill some kind of perfectionist need in him to keep rehashing the same product but again none of this is for the fans. It is for money and for him. That makes him selfish.

He might be a great man but he has turned his back on the fans that allowed him to become great. He deserves criticism and to lose fans maybe even being booed at a convention. The idiots that continue to abuse and threaten his actors and family are not forgivable but they are most likely a small sect and are similar to sects that reside in nearly every fanbase.
 
OsGom said:
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He might be a great man but he has turned his back on the fans that allowed him to become great. He deserves criticism and to lose fans maybe even being booed at a convention.
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That is just complete bs, he makes the desicons he feels are right for the work. Booing him at a convention is way out of order. If Lucas walked out at a convention, and someone started booing him, man, if I had a drink in my hands I'd pour it over their head. In fact, if I ever go to a SW convention, and GL is gonna make an appearance, I'm gonna pee in my drink beforehand.
 
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Thebumwhowalks said:
That is just complete bs, he makes the desicons he feels are right for the work. Booing him at a convention is way out of order. If Lucas walked out at a convention, and someone started booing him, man, if I had a drink in my hands I'd pour it over their head. In fact, if I ever go to a SW convention, and GL is gonna make an appearance, I'm gonna pee in my drink beforehand.
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The troubling thing is people paid their money, traveled, probably dressed up, potentially washed AND waited in unbelievable lines just to boo the creator of their coveted universe. That is devotion to anger. That is fanaticism a it's worst.

It is kind of scary I guess =/ At least no one pulled a lightsaber on him.
 
I was at Celebration 5 and no one booed him
 
OsGom said:
The troubling thing is people paid their money, traveled, probably dressed up, potentially washed AND waited in unbelievable lines just to boo the creator of their coveted universe. That is devotion to anger. That is fanaticism a it's worst.

It is kind of scary I guess =/ At least no one pulled a lightsaber on him.
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it leads to the dark side:woot:
 
The people at cbm.com are probably ecstatic to hear about Lucas' retirement.

You know what the difference is between us and those guys?

We use common sense. They, on the other hand? "F--- Lucas! F--- the prequels!" I swear, even if there's a story about Star Wars not related to the prequels, they'll say the same thing!

Meanwhile, if somebody doesn't like the prequels, we respect their opinion without prejudice.
 
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