State your unpopular film related opinion - Part 4

[Thebumwhowalks]

It had more action than TIH. And that's not an opinion.

It of course had more Hulk action, which is no surprise given it had a bigger budget, but if you are including all the action scenes from TIH, Banner on the run from the military, the Abomination and the military, TIH might have more action in terms of percentage of it's respective running time.

If I ever sit down to watch both movies, I will time them, lol, like that 'Batman appearances thread'.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Ok, I guess this is an unpopular opinion, but I think Quantum of Solace is better than just about all of the pre-Daniel Craig Bond movies, with one or two exceptions.

I have not seen FRWL, but I have seen just about all of them apart from that one I think. I grew up in the UK in the 80s, so they played those Bond films all the time on tv, i would watch them, enjoy a couple, be bored by most of them.
I re-watched a lot of them recently on tv, and the only ones I would rank as being watchable and enjoyable, without boredom creeping in, is Goldfinger, the Spy who loved me, Live and let die, and Tomorrow Never Dies.

It is just not a very good film series at all I would say, I guess I only find about 20% of them watchable, or at least, re-watchable for a second time, and some of them are unwatchable in the first place, Dr.No is truly awful, but they are finding their way in that movie, so it's forgiveable, Moonraker, A View To A kill, the two Dalton films, Thunderball...

I only really took an interest in the Bond films after seeing Casino Royale, that is miles above any of the previous efforts, a new series of films altogether I would say.

I... I.. I.. don't know what to say to this.

*walks away pondering about life*

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I... I.. I.. don't know what to say to this.

*walks away pondering about life*

Well, maybe you could say why you hate QoS so much?

Because I am somewhat baffled by the hate the movie gets, especially from Bond fans such as yourself who holds a lot of the older movies in such high regard, which i feel are of a lesser quality than that movie.

I mean, it is what it is, a fast paced action movie with Bond on a revenge trip, not much of a story, just tracking some bad guys down, but it's not as if many of the Band films had that great stories in the first place, most of the enjoyment in them comes from just that.

Aye, it was very disapointing coming right after, what I would say was by far the best Bond film, CR, and you can't really get the benefit of QoS without having seen CR beforehand, so it's not a great stand alone film.
But, it's not like it's embaressing or cheesey or anything, about the only things distinctly wrong with it are the choppy editing in some action scenes(that car chase at the beginning is wasted), and the fact is more action led than story.

Ach, it's a good blast. lol

 

[Doctor Jones]

It sorta baffles me when people say Ang's Hulk didn't have enough action.

Are you kidding me? That 20 minute sequence in the desert is easily one of the best action scenes in a comic book movie ever. It's pure Hulk. Better than anything in Letterier's version by a mile.

Yea, Ang's version was more about the psychology of the character. But then, what is wrong with that? You don't delve into that side of the character you're left with what is basically a plot device instead of an actual character. And Ang's version showed the Hulk as an actul personality, rather than just a big angry green monster. The scenes with the mirror where he calls Banner a puny human, showing that the Hulk persona actually resents Banner, for example.

And again, the action took a while to come into focus, but when it did, it was spectacular.

It is flawed don't get me wrong. Some of the stuff with Banner Sr was kinda stupid. It did take a little bit too long to get going. But overall, I think it gets way too much hate. I think it's superior to Letterier's version, which I do also like.

I think it's the first 40 minutes that turn people off. I'll admit they could have gotten to things sooner, but if I think about it, cut it up and shorten it, it becomes generic to me. Just the same intro of the character, he goes into the lab and in the first ten minutes, the accident occurs and blah blah blah, it's like Spider-Man all over.

To me this was a great way to go about the origin of the Hulk. It sets up the reason why Ross hates Banner and Hulk and where Banner gets his anger from. I can't buy a guy who becomes the Hulk and just becomes angry throughout the movie and transforms and Ross then goes after him. That's not interesting at all. That's hollow to me. I'm not knowledgeable on the Hulk in comics, but that set up isn't interesting for a Hulk origin. The whole thing with the past of his father, and his dreams and fear being a reason for Hulk's awakening inside him, that was already there, is such a new and terrific idea. It says something about all of us. How a Hulk is ready to burst out of us at any moment. Lee used great metaphors and symbolism. He really broke new ground with the character. He made me think things about the Hulk I never considered before, yet are true to the nature and idea of the character.

Plus hey, Nolte and Elliot aren't on autopilot. They are actually performing. Nolte gives a great performance.

 

[Max J Power]

-The Daredevil director's cut, while certainly better than the theatrical version, isn't a vast improvement. The plot's better, but the dialogue is still kind of bland and Affleck and Garner are lacking. I don't think either one is a bad actor, but they weren't right for their roles.
-I liked Inception a lot more than Source Code. If that's not unpopular now, it will be later.
-I only liked Cars 2 slightly less than the first one (I thought both were good).

 

[The Morningstar]

I think it's the first 40 minutes that turn people off. I'll admit they could have gotten to things sooner, but if I think about it, cut it up and shorten it, it becomes generic to me. Just the same intro of the character, he goes into the lab and in the first ten minutes, the accident occurs and blah blah blah, it's like Spider-Man all over.

To me this was a great way to go about the origin of the Hulk. It sets up the reason why Ross hates Banner and Hulk and where Banner gets his anger from. I can't buy a guy who becomes the Hulk and just becomes angry throughout the movie and transforms and Ross then goes after him. That's not interesting at all. That's hollow to me. I'm not knowledgeable on the Hulk in comics, but that set up isn't interesting for a Hulk origin. The whole thing with the past of his father, and his dreams and fear being a reason for Hulk's awakening inside him, that was already there, is such a new and terrific idea. It says something about all of us. How a Hulk is ready to burst out of us at any moment. Lee used great metaphors and symbolism. He really broke new ground with the character. He made me think things about the Hulk I never considered before, yet are true to the nature and idea of the character.

Plus hey, Nolte and Elliot aren't on autopilot. They are actually performing. Nolte gives a great performance.

Great post. Totally agree.

And yea, Elliot's Ross is superior to Hurt's in every single way. Nolte is also great, at his dishevelled best.

 

[Secret Fawful]

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared to post this:

Popular films I don't care for:

Toy Story
Toy Story 2
Toy Story 3
Cars
Batman Returns
The Shining
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
2001: A Space Odyssey
Superman 2
Scary Movie 1
Scary Movie 3 [eh after that it's probably not popular]
Spider-Man 1
Harry Potter [anything after Azkaban; before I love]
The Matrix [Ghost in the Shell did it all better]
Inception [preferred Shutter Island and Paprika]
End of Evangelion
Edward Gorey's Alice in Wonderland [I refuse to call Burton's "style" his own]
Edward Gorey's Corpse Bride
Alien [yogurt blood is the stupidest effect I have ever seen]
Twilight [anything]
Rush Hour 2, 3 [not since seeing Jackie Chan's earlier masterful films]
WALL-E
Secret of NIMH 2 [I've known people who loved this...this...turd]


Unpopular films I love:

An American Tail
An American Tail: Fievel Goes West [Jimmy Stewart's final words on film moves me to tears]
They Live
Felidae [Cary Elwes plays the lead in English; Romi Park plays him in Japanese]
Larger Than Life
Dunston Checks In
In The Mouth of Madness
The Prince of Darkness
Village of the Damned
Batman and Robin [as a comedy]
Sgt. Bilko
McHale's Navy [with Tim Curry]
Dudley Do-Right [with Alfred Molina]
Superman 3
Batman '66
I' Robot
Minority Report
The Illusioniste [the animated film]
Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End [mostly for the soundtrack]
The Arrival
Scary Movie 2
George of the Jungle
George of the Jungle 2 [even if it's horrendously stupid]
The Shadow
Ghostbusters 2
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek: The Search For Spock
Edward Gorey's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?
The Big Gundown
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride
The Love God?
Scrooged
Jurassic Park 3
The Blues Brothers 2000
You Can't Cheat An Honest Man
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow
Flight of the Pheonix [new one]
The Dagger of Kamui [a masterpiece of animation]
Phantasm
Phantasm II
Signs
Sunset
Brazil
Paprika
A Bug's Life [it's lost a lot of popularity]
Peter Jackson's King Kong

I could go on, but that should be enough to get me lynched far beyond my list of favorite movies could ever save me from.

 

[misjuevos]

i don't think some of those movies you posted are unpopular, like "they live" for instance.

 

[dude stannis]

you weren't surprised that eric roberts was in the TDK or michael jai white?

TDK did surprise me. Ledger, Eckhart, Roberts, Jai White, Gyllenhaall, etc didn't see them coming.

Having seen those MOS set pics of Cavill, I can honsetly say Brandon Routh looks the part far better.

 

[Ipodman]

TDK did surprise me. Ledger, Eckhart, Roberts, Jai White, Gyllenhaall, etc didn't see them coming.

Having seen those MOS set pics of Cavill, I can honsetly say Brandon Routh looks the part far better.

That was why he was chosen wasn't it

 

[dude stannis]

Played the part well too. But lets see what Cavill can bring to the table.

Just hope this isn't another Sam Worthington 2009 situation, where he's hyped up as the next big superstar, appearing in all these huge films, only for those films to come out and he's wooden and bland.

 

[Ipodman]

Yeah Sam Worthington is not happening anymore (except for Wrath of the titans next year...) Alex Pettyfer is fading away too...

 

[CelticPredator]

It sorta baffles me when people say Ang's Hulk didn't have enough action.

Are you kidding me? That 20 minute sequence in the desert is easily one of the best action scenes in a comic book movie ever. It's pure Hulk. Better than anything in Letterier's version by a mile.

Yea, Ang's version was more about the psychology of the character. But then, what is wrong with that? You don't delve into that side of the character you're left with what is basically a plot device instead of an actual character. And Ang's version showed the Hulk as an actul personality, rather than just a big angry green monster. The scenes with the mirror where he calls Banner a puny human, showing that the Hulk persona actually resents Banner, for example.

And again, the action took a while to come into focus, but when it did, it was spectacular.

It is flawed don't get me wrong. Some of the stuff with Banner Sr was kinda stupid. It did take a little bit too long to get going. But overall, I think it gets way too much hate. I think it's superior to Letterier's version, which I do also like.

I hate the desert scene. He's hoppin, boppin, throwing tanks. MEH.

Fighting something >>>>>>> Tank throwing. I found that scene, and the Dog scene lame. I liked the character bits.

Letterier's version was way more fun. Hulk smashing ****, fighting ****, breaking ****...I love that movie so much. Any time it's on, I watch it. It's INCREDIBLY (pun!) underrated.

 

[Ponyboy]

I found Captain America extremely boring, and a poor attempt and re-hashing what was done with Iron Man.

 

[dude stannis]

Letterier's version was way more fun. Hulk smashing ****, fighting ****, breaking ****...I love that movie so much. Any time it's on, I watch it. It's INCREDIBLY (pun!) underrated.

I think we've hit the point where Letterier's Hulk is totally underrated fun.

 

[Ipodman]

The Incredible Hulk is actually my favourite Marvel Studios film...

 

[CelticPredator]

Well, maybe you could say why you hate QoS so much?

Because I am somewhat baffled by the hate the movie gets, especially from Bond fans such as yourself who holds a lot of the older movies in such high regard, which i feel are of a lesser quality than that movie.

I mean, it is what it is, a fast paced action movie with Bond on a revenge trip, not much of a story, just tracking some bad guys down, but it's not as if many of the Band films had that great stories in the first place, most of the enjoyment in them comes from just that.

Aye, it was very disapointing coming right after, what I would say was by far the best Bond film, CR, and you can't really get the benefit of QoS without having seen CR beforehand, so it's not a great stand alone film.
But, it's not like it's embaressing or cheesey or anything, about the only things distinctly wrong with it are the choppy editing in some action scenes(that car chase at the beginning is wasted), and the fact is more action led than story.

Ach, it's a good blast. lol

QoS is not good because of two things.

One....the incredibly poor action scenes. Which is the one reason I have never watched the Bourne films. I hate that action director. He sucks. He thinks that a film fight scene should require the viewer to be confused, and disoriented....uh, guess what, it's a movie, not real life. If you're going to be lazy, just say you're going to be lazy.

I make short films, and i've filmed fight scenes. Since I rarely have time to choregraph insane fight scenes, I usually film them like that guy does. You know how long that takes? 10 minutes. You hit record, shoot a move, and cut. Edit the moves together, and you have a fight scene.

In a TV show I can accept it. IN a student film, I can accept it. In a feature film? **** no.

The second biggest problem is, CR was the set up for this new series right? By the end of CR, he IS Bond...right? According to QoS...no. Which really cheapend the entire thing.

The next movie should've started with the Gun Barrel, should've had more Bondisms (as much as this series should have), and just be cooler....but what they actually did was take Bond a step back. He didn't really grow from CR. He still stayed mopy, and angry. Which is fine, the character should be dark...but he should be incredibly different from Bond in CR.

It's not a BAD movie. Just a pointless one. It felt more like a prequel to the real sequel. Like a Direct to Video flick or something. I didnt mind it when I first saw it....but watching CR and QoS back to back, you really see how utterly pointless the movie is.

Oh and the villian sucked too. Only good thing about him was his death. lol.

 

[CelticPredator]

I think we've hit the point where Letterier's Hulk is totally underrated fun.

It is. I love that movie. I love how the characters interact, I enjoyed Tim Roth, and the end battle. Weak CGI and all. He fights ****, and smashes ****.

 

[dude stannis]

And even if people don't like the final battle, the University fight more than makes up for it.

 

[CelticPredator]

I like the Favela chase...

And the music. Love the music.

Dooo DOOOO dooo DOOO...dee DOOO.

 

[Lord]

I found Captain America extremely boring, and a poor attempt and re-hashing what was done with Iron Man.

Captain America was a very overrated film, it was nothing special, it played safe, the only thing it gave to superhero movies was the visuals but in the rest it could have been so much better and less saving private Ryan meets iron man

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

QoS is not good because of two things.

One....the incredibly poor action scenes. Which is the one reason I have never watched the Bourne films. I hate that action director. He sucks. He thinks that a film fight scene should require the viewer to be confused, and disoriented....uh, guess what, it's a movie, not real life. If you're going to be lazy, just say you're going to be lazy.

I make short films, and i've filmed fight scenes. Since I rarely have time to choregraph insane fight scenes, I usually film them like that guy does. You know how long that takes? 10 minutes. You hit record, shoot a move, and cut. Edit the moves together, and you have a fight scene.

In a TV show I can accept it. IN a student film, I can accept it. In a feature film? **** no.

The second biggest problem is, CR was the set up for this new series right? By the end of CR, he IS Bond...right? According to QoS...no. Which really cheapend the entire thing.

The next movie should've started with the Gun Barrel, should've had more Bondisms (as much as this series should have), and just be cooler....but what they actually did was take Bond a step back. He didn't really grow from CR. He still stayed mopy, and angry. Which is fine, the character should be dark...but he should be incredibly different from Bond in CR.

It's not a BAD movie. Just a pointless one. It felt more like a prequel to the real sequel. Like a Direct to Video flick or something. I didnt mind it when I first saw it....but watching CR and QoS back to back, you really see how utterly pointless the movie is.

Oh and the villian sucked too. Only good thing about him was his death. lol.

Ok, thanks for your in-depth answer.

I would say there was some great action in there though, the fight between Bond and the guy when bond is swinging on the rope...the boat chase when he rescues that girl....the parachute jump into the cave...the explding hotel in the desert....the gunfight choreographed along to the opera...

and I do conceded that it is really a stop gap companion piece to CR, instead of being it's own entity, which it could have been.

I don't mind the villan so much, as I quite like that actor, but the female companion more than makes up for the lack of memorable villan, the woman who wants revenge against him and that general, she has to be one of the best female companions in any Bond film, just a real cool tough woman out to kick some ass.

edit: I look at it much the same as the Liam Neeson movie 'Taken', Bond just cutting a swathe through the bad guys, out for revenge, the kind of movie you put on if you want to just watch some good old ass kicking for a hour and a half. Taken didn't even have a main villan, and it worked well enough.

 

[CelticPredator]

Yeah but...this isn't Taken...this is Bond done different. This is the first time this series has had a direct sequel....and for it to be what it was, it failed.

And I hated the Opera scene...it's so fast. Everyone said how badass it was, but I couldnt see anything. It was so lightning fast. BANG BANG done.

 

[CelticPredator]

Also, the Credits Song is total ass. One of the most wreched things i've ever heard.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared to post this:

I remember you! You were the guy everyone jumped on when you posted that before in another thread. I think it was the Blockbusters you don't care for thread.

Damn, I felt sorry for you.

All I have to about the list is that I think some unpopular movies have some popularity to it whether it be good reception or not. All of them aren't really hated. In fact some of those are pretty popular around here.

Vice versa with your popular movies.

But be honest that when I saw that you not only put Toy Story on the list, with all three, and at the top, I died a little inside.