Storm Vs Thor

[bkhedr]

I have really tried to be fair here.
I have racked my brains and can't remember a time when Thor started a storm WITHOUT THE HAMMER.

I'm trying to remember him forming gateways, throwing energy around, or flying by throwing any other heavy object and hitching a ride.

Norse Mythology,.. He and Sif have more than an understanding,... they wre Married. In Marvel she is the Lady Sif,... the woman in waiting and warrior fem with a sword.

V.

Acctually it is canon (with numerous examples in print) that Thor can summon storms without Mjolnir. (not only have I seen him do it but Odin said so too)

As for flying and forming portals. Yes those powers are attributed to Mjolnir and no one is saying that Thor can open portals or fly without his hammer.
But Mjolnir is his and ever shall be! t:

 

[bkhedr]

All you guys need to stop.

By feats,.. I've seen little if any proof of thousands of years of fighter prowess. If true the writers and artists after Kirby has done you guys a disservice.

It is true, and yes the writers have done us a disservice (though Oeming did it right, if you havent read it, you should read Ragnarok)

 

[HandOfFate]

Dude Storm was the leader of the X-men is all well and good but Thor was the leader of the Avengers (apparently being Prince of Asgard isnt proof enough of his leadership abilites).

You know I really can't think of anything he did as leader of the Avengers, that would be note worthy. Now if this was Cap this would be a different ball game.

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he a bad leader but just because he lead the Avengers doesn't make him a better leader then Storm .

I dont think anyone will argue that the Avengers are the premier superhero team in the MU hence leading them (which Thor did) trumps leading the X-men.

I wouldn't go that far. Both team have stood before almost total annihilation and won.

But I dont think Storm could devastate the planet. I've seen nothing to suggest she has that kind of range. And even if she did Thor would just negate her weather manipulation through force of will

You should read more on Storm.

Acctually it is canon (with numerous examples in print) that Thor can summon storms without Mjolnir. (not only have I seen him do it but Odin said so too)

I have a question.

Without Mjolnir, how powerful are Thor's storm making ability?

 

[CanaryFan]

For someone with THOUSANDS of years expertise, all he seems to do is lift hammer up and down. Repeat. Up. Down. Repeat. Up. Down.

As opposed the majority of other heroes who make fist, pull back arm, extend arm rapidly, repeat as needed.

 

[bkhedr]

Good one CanaryFan

You know I really can't think of anything he did as leader of the Avengers, that would be note worthy. Now if this was Cap this would be a different ball game.

I'm not sure what you mean by noteworthy. He lead the team. They followed him without question. He mad good judgements. They triumphed against all odds. What more is there?

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he a bad leader but just because he lead the Avengers doesn't make him a better leader then Storm .

Fair enough


I wouldn't go that far. Both team have stood before almost total annihilation and won.


True but the Avengers are still the world's premier super team. When the world is on the brink of annihilation who gets the call? Who do the people scream for to save them? The Avengers that's who. Then the Fantastic Four, then maybe the X-men. Not putting down the X-men or anything just telling it like it is


You should read more on Storm.

Maybe I will. Any recommendations?



I have a question.

Without Mjolnir, how powerful are Thor's storm making ability?

God level t:

which is most likely > mutant level

 

[Varient]

Dude, sorry but this is just poorly thought out on your part

He is a warrior. He has been a warrior for thousands of years. If you take away his strength and magical abilities he's still the same deadly effiecient supremely talented warrior who has lead countless armies in countless wars. He just wont be as strong or be able to control the weather

hence my comment about what he would become, Conan with about a thousand times more experience, and still able to pwn Storm

think before you type

All you guys need to stop.

By feats,.. I've seen little if any proof of thousands of years of fighter prowess. If true the writers and artists after Kirby has done you guys a disservice.

 

[Mr. Green]

It's inevitable that Thor will return and kick his clone's ass. Then he will get his own ongoing. Then (if written well) everyone will see that Thor is a way better character than Storm.

 

[Zeu]

As opposed the majority of other heroes who make fist, pull back arm, extend arm rapidly, repeat as needed.

Punching is not as straightforward as you seem to imply.
There are hundreds of possible variations depending on the technique and intended result.

Certainly it´s more complex than what I´ve seen Thor deliver to this day, which consists of basically lifting hammer up and down (or right to left when he´s feeling particularly imaginative ).

So much for "Thousands of years of expertise".

 

[Cyrusbales]

Thor's expertise is the fact that over thousands of years, he's discovered that simply lifting the hammer, KILLS THE BADGUYS!!!! It's a csimple and effective system, why screw with that?

 

[The Weather God]

Dude Storm was the leader of the X-men is all well and good but Thor was the leader of the Avengers (apparently being Prince of Asgard isnt proof enough of his leadership abilites). I dont think anyone will argue that the Avengers are the premier superhero team in the MU hence leading them (which Thor did) trumps leading the X-men

I woulden't turn this into a x-men vs Avengers if i were you, both teams are undoubtly two of the best

But I dont think Storm could devastate the planet. I've seen nothing to suggest she has that kind of range. And even if she did Thor would just negate her weather manipulation through force of will

You really must not know the versity of storm's power.

Punching is not as straightforward as you seem to imply.
There are hundreds of possible variations depending on the technique and intended result.

Certainly it´s more complex than what I´ve seen Thor deliver to this day, which consists of basically lifting hammer up and down (or right to left when he´s feeling particularly imaginative ).

So much for "Thousands of years of expertise".

Well storm haves to work alot harder then thor on the elements. For example: to stop a storm she haves to become one with it and use some of her own energy to stop it, as thor controls it magically and i guess just imagine it gone without any strain on himself. I don't even think thor's mentally attached to nature like storm is.

 

[Zeu]

Thor's expertise is the fact that over thousands of years, he's discovered that simply lifting the hammer, KILLS THE BADGUYS!!!! It's a csimple and effective system, why screw with that?

That doesn´t require expertise.
"- If I swing my Plot-Device weapon up and down, it will demolish the oposition."

A dog could do that, if he had oposable thumbs.
A gorilla too. A hen.

Okay, maybe not the hen....

 

[Cyrusbales]

still works though! Where's the problem? It takes expertise to know the simple and best method

 

[Zeu]

still works though! Where's the problem? It takes expertise to know the simple and best method

No, it doesn´t require expertise.

If he had developped some sort of hammer-fu technique that allowed him to demolish armies of trolls with a single, special hammer swing, THEN you could consider him an expert.

If he had learned how to hammer-fu a subcontinent in half just by swinging a leaf, THEN you could consider him an expert.

Swinging a hammer up and down (or right and left when he´s feeling particularly imaginative) does not require expertise since cavemen have been doing that for 100,000 years.

 

[Cyrusbales]

OK, I'll explain again, Thor knows this is the best method, proabably from trying out other stuff.

A master swordsman is someone who only ever needs to do one simple slash. He arrives at this conclusion after years of training and stuff, same goes for Thor..

 

[Zeu]

It´s a bit like playing Resident Evil with the rocket launcher.

You can kill everything in sight just by punching a button.
It works, it´s simple and it´s effective too!
But it doesn´t tell much about your gaming skills, does it?

Now if you played from beginning to end with those letter openers that Resident Evil characters call knives, THEN you could claim to be an awesome gamer.!

 

[Cyrusbales]

But you have to unlock the rocket launcher through experience in the game, therin lies the expertise...

 

[Zeu]

But you have to unlock the rocket launcher through experience in the game, therin lies the expertise...

Unless you have your younger brother unlock it for you.

Or in Thor´s case, have your dad GIVE it to you.

 

[Cyrusbales]

in quake, the rocket launcher is hardest to use because it can kill yourself, it takes expertise to use it, I don't see you crushing stuff with a big hammer? Bit unfair for you to criticise!

 

[Zeu]

in quake, the rocket launcher is hardest to use because it can kill yourself, it takes expertise to use it, I don't see you crushing stuff with a big hammer? Bit unfair for you to criticise!

In Quake you only have 100HP and a nearly worthless armor.

When you are a NORSE GOD who can walk in the sun and laugh in the face of nuclear detonations, there is no such thing as worrying about shrapnel or flying debris.

I´m positivelly sure not even the aforementioned dog or gorilla would kill themselves by hitting their own sorry selves with the hammer (I´m not so sure about the hen ).

 

[Cyrusbales]

thor has worked out what works, why you keep bashing him? When you fight super villains in an easier way, then let me know

 

[CanaryFan]

Punching is not as straightforward as you seem to imply.
There are hundreds of possible variations depending on the technique and intended result.

Certainly it´s more complex than what I´ve seen Thor deliver to this day, which consists of basically lifting hammer up and down (or right to left when he´s feeling particularly imaginative ).

So much for "Thousands of years of expertise".

LOL! You can swing the hammer about as many ways as you can a fist, plus you can throw it, smash things and send the debris flying at your opponent, shoot cosmic energy, summon lightning and other elements, siphon magic, ect, ect, ect. Lets see you do all that with your fist. Thor is no stranger to fighting hand to hand either but for many years he couldn't stay as Thor if he was out of contact with it for to long so it was mandatory for him to use the hammer. That was both interesting and lame in various stories.

What many of you don't get is that Thor is mostly a lone fighter. Battle experience in a one on one or one against many fight has more to do with positioning yourself, reflexes and timming, and honning your skills to perfection than leadership and organizing a mass group strategy. The average pro fighter is still trying to improve his reflexes and timming when his body starts getting over the hill and declining. Thor on the other hand has continued getting better for centuries.You can't show these kind of skills in illistrations you just have to accept that the character creators and writters say they exist. Leading a team is a different skill, one that Thor has shown the ability to do but it's probably not his strongest quality.

 

[Kitsune]

That doesn´t require expertise.
"- If I swing my Plot-Device weapon up and down, it will demolish the oposition."

A dog could do that, if he had oposable thumbs.
A gorilla too. A hen.

Okay, maybe not the hen....

But Superchicken could do it

 

[Zeu]

thor has worked out what works, why you keep bashing him? When you fight super villains in an easier way, then let me know

Well, there ARE no supervillains in our world so you can pretty much guess I MUST have indeed found that easier way.
LOL
Relax, dude, it´s all fun and games. We´re talking about comics, it´s not the end of civilization as we know it.

LOL! You can swing the hammer about as many ways as you can a fist,

I´m sure you can.
Too bad then that about 90% of the comics show him just swinging it up and down (or left and right when he´s feeling particularly imaginative)

 

[Kitsune]

Well, there ARE no supervillains in our world

That's not what I hear from Hugo Chavez....

 

[Zeu]

That's not what I hear from Hugo Chavez....

- Hey, one thing at a time! If I go after him, who´s gonna stop the giant leeches from eating Manhattan?
- But, Zeu, there are no giant leeches in Manhattan.


Exactly.