Storm Vs Thor

[Varient]

As usual you ignore everything in my posts that squashes yours and keep pushing on with your argument

And what is your argument?

Basically what you are telling me is that you are totaly determined to argue for Storm's godhood even if that means nitpicking over the definition of a god just to prove your point?

Ok. Then there's no point in arguing

And by the way Thor's mother is a goddess. He is not a demi-god

"as Usual?"


This convo is over.

Have a nice day.

 

[Varient]

As usual you ignore everything in my posts that squashes yours and keep pushing on with your argument

And what is your argument?

Basically what you are telling me is that you are totaly determined to argue for Storm's godhood even if that means nitpicking over the definition of a god just to prove your point?

Ok. Then there's no point in arguing

And by the way Thor's mother is a goddess. He is not a demi-god

No,..
I'm going to Rub your FACE in how unfair your statement was - THEN I'm going to go elsewhere.

IN YOUR POST TO ME THAT i ANSWERED - AT THE TOP U ASKED:

"how exatctly would she meet all the definitions currently posted in the 616 universe of a god?"

I TOOK THE TIME TO EXPLAIN HOW AND GAVE EXAMPLES AND YOU COME BACK WITH:

"As usual you ignore everything in my posts that squashes yours and keep pushing on with your argument"


LATER FOR YOU

 

[bkhedr]

so childish

oh well

when you feel like you are up for more a verbal spanking you can go back and read my post. I've edited it for your dismayal

and when you do read it keep in mind that you and the others have successfully convinced me that Storm is a more complete and interesting character then I had originally given her credit for and I would be up for reaing some of the best stories about her (granted when I asked the Storm fans for suggestsions no one seemed to have any) but your incessant determination to prove her godhood is something I just cant accept

 

[Varient]

so childish

oh well

when you feel like you are up for more a verbal spanking you can go back and read my post. I've edited it for your dismayal

and when you do read it keep in mind that you and the others have successfully convinced me that Storm is a more complete and interesting character then I had originally given her credit for and I would be up for reaing some of the best stories about her (granted when I asked the Storm fans for suggestsions no one seemed to have any) but your incessant determination to prove her godhood is something I just cant accept

SMH.
I'm childish because I don't appreciate you requesting an explanation, labeling my explanation as "ignoring what you said" and then SHOWING YOU what I responded to.

No verbal spanking occured,.. you misinterpreted the information provided and showed a lack of maturity twice,.. first by labeling my response with "like usual" and then this one with "SO childish".

Understand that I really don't tolerate too much abuse in this fashion from folk who appear brave behind a keyboard. Maturity is realizing that even though there is no harsh penalty for being an azz, the effort should be made to remain civil unless provoked.

You failed that here.

HAND = HAVE A NICE DAY.

 

[bkhedr]

chill dude

dont take it personally

if we are done discussing the topic then I have no problem with you at all. And if i offended you then I apologize

*hands peace pipe*

smokey smokey?

 

[Mr. Green]

Sorry,...
But Marvel Canon defines Gods by everything I covered.
By Marvels viewpoint Hercules is "more" of a God than Thor because he doesn't require a piece of fruit every few thousand years to maintain his Immortality,...
Yet Technically Herc is a Demi-God,.. His Mom was Human.
Thor Technically is a "Demi-God" because his Mom was not asgardian.
SilverClaw technically is a Demi-God because her Mom was a God.
The Eternals (Thanos anyone) Were considered Gods but with the exception of thanos rejects the title,

God in Marvel is technically "HigherBeing who is worshiped by Humans. Higher as being defined as being in some way superior across the board.

Look at Thanos Again.
His "race" was the result of tinkering by other aliens who were just "passing through."

Yet he has been known as "The Mad God of Titan" and in his short before last actually took over as "God" to save the universe.

For Storm Immortality is only as Far away as her getting a clue and concentrating either facet of her being.

Godlike power? We know she has that ability by the stuff she's done in space and to a smaller degree whenever she COMPLETLY loses control of her emotions.

Before we make "definative statements" about who is a God and who isn't,.. we are going to lay down some ground rules about what one is.

I wouldn't consider the beings that Walter / sasquatch gains his powers from,... As Gods - but by Marvel definitions they are. Same with SnowBird.

Well, what you're saying is that if someone with powers has someone worshipping them, then they are a god.

I just don't think it works quite like that. The fact that Thanos rejects the title of god should clue you in that he isn't a god, and powers or people worshipping him will not change that.

If people worship Storm for being a mutant, that doesn't make her a godess, it makes her a mutant with a bunch of stupid followers who THINK that she is a godess.

Likewise with the Eternals. By your own admission there is nothing Godlike about them, but people thought they were Gods. Okay, that doesn't mean they suddenly ARE gods.

Can you see what I'm saying?

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Thors mother was the elder goddess Gaea/Jord which if anything makes him more of a god than the other Asgardians. Worship is power in the MU.There is a bond between a mystic being and its worshippers. This is why so many mystic beings lend their powers to sorcerors such as Strange, the use of their powers and the belief that it creates strengthens the endowing entity. The strengthening effect is why Strange no longer calls on Dormammu for power. Storm is not a goddess currently but it might be that the interaction between elemental power,sorcerous ability and worship could have transformational potential.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Did someone ACTUALLY think Storm had a greater reach of power? THOR is a god, he can control things all over the world at once, he can control things in asgard, does storm? no, she can control thing in one(quite large area), but no-where near a whole planet. please, this is silly, yes you may like her more(god knows why!), but there is no believing her powers come close to Thor in any way

 

[Varient]

Did someone ACTUALLY think Storm had a greater reach of power? THOR is a god, he can control things all over the world at once, he can control things in asgard, does storm? no, she can control thing in one(quite large area), but no-where near a whole planet. please, this is silly, yes you may like her more(god knows why!), but there is no believing her powers come close to Thor in any way

I guess it comes down to who you read.

I've NEVER read Thor Starting a weather phenom in Asgard while sitting in front of a TV in New York,.. I've Never read of him Controling the weather of the planet from one place.

Storm has manipulated the heart of a galaxy, Thor has not. Storm rants about the balancing act she must pull to get her desired results,... She admits that it is WORK to keep it localized,... NO ONE has written her just "cutting loose" w/o a concern for the intervening space between her and her target,.. her middle name is "control"

I've yet to read ANYBODY here say that she can Beat THOR in a dust up,.. NO ONE HERE has said she is close to Thors power level,...

Yet you guys keep coming back with this mess.

Just ONCE - I'd like a comic where she doesn't give a crap and decides to fly to mars.

Based on Canon and what she has done before,.. she could do such,... and do a hellava lot of damage just leaving earth.

Not as neat a tidy as the ThunderGod, anything she does outside of her self-imposed limits causes damage.

WE REALLY DON"T KNOW HER LIMITS,... I take that back,... On the Complete control part,.. she can't handle more land area than a small continent. If she doesn't care,.. stuff gets ugly fast.



In the same vein,... Just once I want Thor to say,.... Make it SNOW all over the planet at once,.... or Do some of the established storm feats.

If Storm can control the solar winds,... Lets see Thor thump that hammer trice and move that stuff around,.... If he can control a galaxy,... have him Move the Skrull's and the Kree just a lil bit further away.

See we are arguing apples and oranges simply because even though it's accepted by all that Storm is NOT going to beat Thor in a fight,.. that's NOT ENOUGH for the Thor fans.

We need to let this go.

 

[javon]

I guess it comes down to who you read.

I've NEVER read Thor Starting a weather phenom in Asgard while sitting in front of a TV in New York,.. I've Never read of him Controling the weather of the planet from one place.

Storm has manipulated the heart of a galaxy, Thor has not. Storm rants about the balancing act she must pull to get her desired results,... She admits that it is WORK to keep it localized,... NO ONE has written her just "cutting loose" w/o a concern for the intervening space between her and her target,.. her middle name is "control"

I've yet to read ANYBODY here say that she can Beat THOR in a dust up,.. NO ONE HERE has said she is close to Thors power level,...

Yet you guys keep coming back with this mess.

Just ONCE - I'd like a comic where she doesn't give a crap and decides to fly to mars.

Based on Canon and what she has done before,.. she could do such,... and do a hellava lot of damage just leaving earth.

Not as neat a tidy as the ThunderGod, anything she does outside of her self-imposed limits causes damage.

WE REALLY DON"T KNOW HER LIMITS,... I take that back,... On the Complete control part,.. she can't handle more land area than a small continent. If she doesn't care,.. stuff gets ugly fast.



In the same vein,... Just once I want Thor to say,.... Make it SNOW all over the planet at once,.... or Do some of the established storm feats.

If Storm can control the solar winds,... Lets see Thor thump that hammer trice and move that stuff around,.... If he can control a galaxy,... have him Move the Skrull's and the Kree just a lil bit further away.

See we are arguing apples and oranges simply because even though it's accepted by all that Storm is NOT going to beat Thor in a fight,.. that's NOT ENOUGH for the Thor fans.

We need to let this go.

I've fallin' in love with you from just a few posts t: .

 

[Cyrusbales]

I'm a Thor fan(moe than storm at least), and I don't see how storm comes close to Thor's power, but that's enough for me, this thread was set up as more of a popularity thing, i was just curious about the poll results outcome.

Btw, thanks for an intelligent post, I believe there is a comic where Thor creates a worldwide storm(reference anyone?), and I know he has teleported stuff lightyears through space as well as fired massive bolts of lightning energy across space.

I haven't seen a great deal of storms superior powers, not sure about the whole space thing, but I do concieve that storm is more powerful than some give credit, although it does take a lot out of her, character wise though, I hate storm, I like her powers and stuff, but I find her character on the pages to be really dull. But I fully understand that it's just opinion, but I wanted to see who people in general prefered, and I thought it would be Thor as he's more central and a bigger player in the universe of marvel since he was created

 

[gambitfire]

I still don't see why the arguing of power is going on. I love Storm more as a character and think she is a much better one but Thor can wipe the floor with her.

Oh wait it was arguing over what is a "god".

It's a creature whose greater power matches it's ego..............................

 

[The Weather God]

Dude WORLD WAR II. Four years of death and destruction on a global scale. Concentration camps. 60 million (approx) dead. I am a history major who wrote his thesis on world war II. Dont compare Magneto's wars to World War II. Please dont let your homerism degenerate into full blown ignorance.

In fact I would like to see some of the other Storm fans' take on this. Anyone of you think Storm has as much experience with war as Captain America?

I believe your ignorance that captain america is so more experience is so blind that you fail to realise what the hell the x-men have been fighting for since the day they first started war with anyone. Magneto is not the only person that the x-men have war'd with. What about the phoenix? someone that could destroy the planet in one blast is just an example. Your telling me that a world war haves anything on that? Come Off it

Difference is Thor has been a leader for thousands of years. That and that alone is why I think he's a better leader. And even if he isnt I'm ok with it.

Doesen't matter how long of a leader he's been, makes him no better leader then what storm is, especially since someone mentioned that his leader skill aren't the best.

Immpresive, but it still doesnt mean that she can manipulate weather on a global scale. By her own admission she has to empathize with the weather and coerce it to do her bidding. (again I could be wrong) But to me that means she cant start thunder storms in a place where she's not.

It proves that her powers reaches beyond a global scale and she should be able to minipulate weather across the planet. She can also feel the entire planet so she should definitly be able to minipulate on a global scale, only problem is nothing has given her a reason too. Simple as that

It's been fun but this is really beginning to become pointless, just except the fact that not everyone likes thor the best or consider him a better character. It's all about opinion and if we think storm is better then let it be. Trying to prove in fact is completly pointless and a waste of time because at the end of the day, my opinion will remain the same.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I believe your ignorance that captain america is so more experience is so blind that you fail to realise what the hell the x-men have been fighting for since the day they first started war with anyone. Magneto is not the only person that the x-men have war'd with. What about the phoenix? someone that could destroy the planet in one blast is just an example. Your telling me that a world war haves anything on that? Come Off it

Your signature kind of has me thinking there's bias in your statements, but I'll just assume you have none, and continue forth.

Ignorance is slightly null and void to label against B there. Captain America's experience in WW2 WOULD be a LITTLE bit more severe, since his actions were day to day to day to day to day in situations that were more or less held against him. Storm didn't do the whole daily basis against people who COULD overwhelm her. Most of the time, she wasn't doing much other than what needed to be done in her life (thinking, creating, developing, stuff like that.) Where Cap was constantly in split second decisions, and extreme odds. So, if you want to compare who has more experience as someone who's been in combatative situations, Cap's battle count during WW2 will far outweight Storm's. As his battles are much more "severe" in actual aspect.

Severity wise? And in ratio? They've actually kind of dealt with similar problems. You kind of left out the whole the Avenger's have faced Galactus bit, but left in that the X-Men dealt with the Phoenix. Can't go around doing that, as it creates a biased image. Hell, they've both faced the Beyonder, so they've gone toe to toe with the greatest of the great. And the Avengers have faced the Defenders, so that's kind of a feat all on it's own. Alien races, the Kree Skrull war, the Kree Shiar war, things like that. The X-Men have done it too, so it's not like the Avengers are somehow second rate on that. And that goes DOUBLE for their characters. In that category, it all boils back down to personal triumphs and such. Personal tragedies and the like. Well, look at it this way, twice has Storm been held as royalty, at least. Cap seems to always be in the trenches doing dirty ass work on his own, only so much above the human level, where Storm has elements at her control. So the experience shift is actually quite different.

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Doesen't matter how long of a leader he's been, makes him no better leader then what storm is, especially since someone mentioned that his leader skill aren't the best.

This I will agree on. Easily. Leadership skills aren't solely dependent on time spent in a leadership role. It drastically helps, but doesn't always determine.

It proves that her powers reaches beyond a global scale and she should be able to minipulate weather across the planet. She can also feel the entire planet so she should definitly be able to minipulate on a global scale, only problem is nothing has given her a reason too. Simple as that

Well, it's not so much that she's never had a reason to, as much as she's never had the desperation to. She's capable, but no event has ever really required her to push THAT hard. The Silver Surfer can potentially destroy several solar systems all at once, doesn't mean he goes around and burns that sort of energy for kicks, it would be a desperation move.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Gonna have to go with Thor on this one.

 

[Crowforge]

She couldnt touch Thor. couldnt touch him. Cap cant dodge lighting. That's true. She would beat Cap

The difference between Storm fighitng Cap and Storm fighting Thor is that if she fought Thor she'd be the one having to dodge lightning

Storm is immune to lightning, she could call down a hurricane on Thor and batter, fry, and freeze him at the same time from outside the range that he'd pose a threat to her (probably from the other side of the planet if she knew where he was, and was so inclined).

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Storm is only immune to lightning that is under her control and even then she has an upper limit, Thor is totally immune to lightning regardless of amplitude or who is controlling it. Thor has withstood the absolute zero and vacuum of deep space so no cold that Storm can call down would even be noticed. Lastly if Thor was in control of the local weather Storms elemental powers would not function at all since Thors control has been stated to be stronger.

 

[Varient]

?
why r u guys still talking about a fight between the two?

 

[Crowforge]

because we're dorks
You wouldn't need to control the weather localy and if you have proof of thor's immunity to lightning you should go update wikipedia.

 

[bkhedr]

because we're dorks
You wouldn't need to control the weather localy and if you have proof of thor's immunity to lightning you should go update wikipedia.

lol
in any case Mjolnir is the trump card. He throws it, it never misses, it turns Storm's head into red mist.

 

[bkhedr]

I believe your ignorance that captain america is so more experience is so blind that you fail to realise what the hell the x-men have been fighting for since the day they first started war with anyone. Magneto is not the only person that the x-men have war'd with. What about the phoenix? someone that could destroy the planet in one blast is just an example. Your telling me that a world war haves anything on that? Come Off it

60 million dead. That's what? 12 times the entire population of Genosha?

Entire cities firebombed into ashes.

5 million people starved/worked to death in concentration camps

And Cap was in the middle of that s**t. Not flying in the air and manipulating the weather. On the ground, in the trenches, getting shot at, every bullet coming at him could be the one that killed him.

And i'm not even talking about all the Avengers have been through (keep in mind that he was leading the Avengers before Storm was even invited to join the X-men)

Is his experience more visceral and intense than Storm's? A thousand times more.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

He mentions his immunity to electricity in a battle aboard the Celestial mothership when his foe yanks loose a cable or something that is carrying a massive electrical current. He withstands it without harm and considering the amount of juice a Celestial craft would be using the current must have been truly massive. That is the only occasion that I can specifically recall although I am sure that it has been mentioned elsewhere. As to the scale of battles in which Storm and Captain America have been involved I believe that the Battles in which the X-Men have been involved are signifiacantly greater than any Cap has been involved in. The X-Men were involved in huge battles against multitudes of superhuman warriors on Arkons world, battles in the Shiar Empire, and the battle on Broodworld that destroyed the entire world. Even World War II doesn't compare to that and Cap saw only a small part of that war and didn't make it to the end.

 

[bkhedr]

He mentions his immunity to electricity in a battle aboard the Celestial mothership when his foe yanks loose a cable or something that is carrying a massive electrical current. He withstands it without harm and considering the amount of juice a Celestial craft would be using the current must have been truly massive. That is the only occasion that I can specifically recall although I am sure that it has been mentioned elsewhere. As to the scale of battles in which Storm and Captain America have been involved I believe that the Battles in which the X-Men have been involved are signifiacantly greater than any Cap has been involved in. The X-Men were involved in huge battles against multitudes of superhuman warriors on Arkons world, battles in the Shiar Empire, and the battle on Broodworld that destroyed the entire world. Even World War II doesn't compare to that and Cap saw only a small part of that war and didn't make it to the end.

Cap and the Avengers were there (along with the X-men) when Genosha got ugly, they were on the front lines (Bloodties)

They were there when Ultron slaughtered the population of slorenia and turned them all into zombified drones to support his metallic horde (Ultron unlimited). In that instance the Avengers were the spearhead of a force of thousands of UN troops and they fought through ultron's defences block by block

They were there for the Kree Skrull war

They were there in Avengers Forever when Immortus summoned all the armies of all of time and still they managed to hold the line for awhile

They were there for the Shiar Kree war which ended with the detonation of the nega bomb (which killed billions) While we are on the subject the Kree are by far deadlier and more ruthless than the Shiar (in my opinion)

They were there when Kang amassed his technologically advanced armies (millions of crack troops) and conquered the world and killed millions. (Kang War) and they were the ones who liberated it from his rule.

They helped fend off Galactus, they beat Nefaria (and he'd whup Superman's ass), they stopped Korvac

the list goes on and on

but as far as brutal war....Kang War (if you havent read it you should)

Now i'm not trying to diminish the X-men's experiences or Storm's. What I am saying is that the Avengers experiences (imo) exceed those of the X-men. And if you consider that Cap was leading the Avengers before Storm even joined the X-men then factor in that he was on the frontlines of world war 2 I dont think its unfair to say his expereince exceeds hers significantly.

Really I cant believe we are even having this debate. If they were on the same team who do you think would be giving the orders?

By the way:

Magneto, Apocalypse, Sinister, Shadow King, Phalanx, Shiar < Kang, Korvac, Terminus, Nefaria, Loki, Ultron, Kree

Granted I think the Phalanx are truly up there in terms of being a threat and they freak my right out
(Apocalypse I consider the most overrated villain in Marvel)

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I think the name of this thread should change into "Do you think Storm is more popular then Thor" because as it is, it is being treated as a battle and to be honest....Thor would not be too worried. Plus if you guys remember, the lat incarnation of thor is Rune Thor....

Anyways, why make this thread into a battle one?

 

[javon]

I don't know. It has been said multiple times that this isn't what the thread is for. But hey, what do I know t: .