Storm Vs Thor

Thor V Storm

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Cyclops said:
Captain America was fighting Nazis nine months before Pearl Harbor.

That would have to be a retcon then. In the beginning of his career he had a secret identity as private Steve Rogers in a military camp. He would go from the camp to his mission and back to the camp. That would be impossible to do unless the camp was in Europe.
 
It wasn't a retcon. The first issue of Captain America comics was in March of 1941. Pearl Harbor didn't happen until December.
 
Try the entire planet being destroyed said:
Dude the Kree-Shiar war. How many planets did the nega bomb destroy? And how many times have the Avengers saved the world from destruction? Cap's experience absolutlety compares.[/B]

Storm's been raised up around stuff like that and not to mention laid around her dead parents for hours or days maybe, giving her a bad case of clastrophobia.(without her powers) Did captain america have to lay traped beside his dead parents that long or even at all?:huh: i don't think so.

And what does that have to do with combat experience? :o




He may have had to deal with war and seeing people dieing, but that's just as bad, epecially for a little girl that age, seeing 100 people die makes you no more experience in watching 1 person die for no reason. Plain and simple the x-men fight to prevent such things happening everyday because the mutants would be superior and it would most likely be a worser war then world wars.

I say again: if they were on the same team who would be giving the orders?
 
bkhedr said:

I say again: if they were on the same team who would be giving the orders?
Heh.


That would depend ENTIRELY on why they were teamed up.

Based on Canon,... if this were CLEARLY a Mutant kind deal,.. Captain America Will take one step back if his brand of stratagy is not required, (example - the Avengers/Thunderbolt team up, ) or Put himself in a subordinate role w/o issue (The numerous times as a member of the Avengers when someone like Photon or Wasp was running things)

(Smile)
Storm is the same way under the same conditions,...

Nice try.
 
What about Thor versus Storm when Loki gave her Thor's powers?
Who do you think would win then?
 
Varient said:
Heh.


That would depend ENTIRELY on why they were teamed up.

Based on Canon,... if this were CLEARLY a Mutant kind deal,.. Captain America Will take one step back if his brand of stratagy is not required, (example - the Avengers/Thunderbolt team up, ) or Put himself in a subordinate role w/o issue (The numerous times as a member of the Avengers when someone like Photon or Wasp was running things)

(Smile)
Storm is the same way under the same conditions,...

Nice try.

Yeah but Cap stepping back in certain situations does not make him less of a leader. In any case I am not talking about a single team up. I am talking about if they formed a new team together in an ongoing for example. I agree that in certain situations (if it were a mutant issue) then Cap would step back and let Storm take the lead. But otherwise he would lead since, as a tactition, and a figurehead on the battlefield, he outclasses Storm.

In any case you guys aare argued that Storm is a better leader than Thor (which I suppose she could be) but I just cant wrap my head around the notion of her being a better leader than Cap

I mean cahman people...he's Captain Freakin America!
 
Artistsean said:
What about Thor versus Storm when Loki gave her Thor's powers?
Who do you think would win then?

Thor's experience would win out
 
First Loki is less powerful than Thor so he cannot give anyone powers equal to Thor. Second Thor is much more thoroughly familiar with the powers having used them for thousands of years.
 
Oh, definitely Thor-not only does his power exceed hers but he is also more experienced in using it!

Terry
 
bkhedr said:
Dude the Kree-Shiar war. How many planets did the nega bomb destroy? And how many times have the Avengers saved the world from destruction? Cap's experience absolutlety compares.

Now your taking this back to the avengers, i thought you said he had more combat experience because he was in the world wars?:huh:
bkhedr said:
And what does that have to do with combat experience? :o
You said captain america had to survive under desprate measures in the world war, my point was storm already haves survival experience.

bkhedr said:
I say again: if they were on the same team who would be giving the orders?
That all depends since they've never been on teams before. Storm's lead the xteam into combat and i'm sure she can do the same with the avengers.
 
Ya, I like Storm and she is a great character, but gotta go with Thor in the power department. Storm has a lot of feats most ppl don't know about, and some impressive, but Thor has some pretty impressive feats of his own. Plus I'm pretty sure Thor's ability to control weather trumps Storm's, not that that takes anything away from her.
 
If presented with the oppertunity to either have a stack of Thor comics to read or a stack of Storm comics the answer is easy. Thor hands down for me.
 
If presented with the oppertunity to either have a stack of Storm comics to read or a stack of Thor comics the answer is easy. Storm hands down for me.
 
Zeu said:
If presented with the oppertunity to either have a stack of Storm comics to read or a stack of Thor comics the answer is easy. Storm hands down for me.
I don't remember a Storm ongoing ever being on the shelves. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I am it was a short-lived series anyway. So good luck finding a stack Storm comics.

Thor on the otherhand...
 
Mr. Green said:
I don't remember a Storm ongoing ever being on the shelves. Maybe I'm wrong, but if I am it was a short-lived series anyway. So good luck finding a stack Storm comics.

Thor on the otherhand...

What does that has to do with anything?

Having more published solo issues doesn´t make you a better character.
 
Sachsmachine said:
If presented with the oppertunity to either have a stack of Thor comics to read or a stack of Storm comics the answer is easy. Thor hands down for me.

Welcome back Sachmachine. You've been gone for too long
 
Storm better leader than Cap? Storm with more impressive feats than Thor? ****ing shoot me now please. I dont know what ganja you guys are smoking but please give me some cause i just dont believe what im reading. Someone post some Thor feats please, so these fools will know.
 
The Weather God said:
Ok this point makes sense that captain america has been in severe battle, but that combat experience is nothing compared to what magneto, the humen race, entitys and other mutants have done. If i remember correctly, magneto has the complete power to move the earth's atmosphere off of course destroying all life on the planet. Also again someone has underestimated what magneto and other's have tried to acomplish in the past. Storm and the x-men battle contantly to prevent a war and tragidy from coming which have happened several times in the comics. Storm also lead the xtream x-men and the original x-men several time, and has been leading second in comand the rest. She's also been raised as an orpan and know's full well how to survive just as well as captain america does. She's also been in alot of situations where she's had to duck and dodge and go against gunfire. Storm lives in a world where people and mutants hate and fear them and they will shoot at her whenever they get the chance to, so yes she does indeed need to worry each and every dam day she walks out the door plain and simple. I also never said anything against what the avengers have done, i was in an argument about his world war battles not his avenger battles. Experience wise i believe storm and captain america know's how to survive and defend themselves in combat so i really don't see what the point is anyway when their both capible, except storm's more powerful.:yay:



I recommend not judging someone by their sig but you definitly made a wise desision.

It's impossible to not judge someone initially by their words. Many people simply do not agree with me based on how I share my information with others. But we all must do what we can to remain unbaised. Either way.

While Storm and others have fought menacing villans in power levels that are near cosmic to cosmic threats, so has Captain America and the Avengers. Hell, big parts of his story deal with cosmic cubes, things that could destroy entire galaxies. And he's faced people like the Red Skull who wield such weapons. And he, on a large basis, fights people with powers that just make him look like what he was before he even was part of Rebirth. To compare them based on their little villans alone is not the best of examples, as of by now, they've faced villans that go both ways on the scale of power, though Captain on several cases tends to fight these super power levels on his own more than Storm does, only because she tends to appear in a team comic more often than her own, where Cap has his own comic. As for people who can take down a planet? He just went one on one with Titannus, who doesn't require an atmosphere to breathe in, and was far too strong for a team even stronger than the Defenders to take down. Not to mention he's dealt with Galactus, Onslaught (which the X-Men weren't a part of to point out), and a shared experience with the Beyonder. (Though that was more, on all cases, simply surviving encounters with said beings.)

As for Storm actually living in a long term situation where if she walked out the door, she would be shot at continuously? I don't agree. While mutant hating groups have staged attacks before, they don't do it every single day, or wait to find her in public. For the most part, she just seems to go out into public with little, or no problems with the community, where Captain America, for years was in day to day situations where things were lethal to him. Storm, going back, if she were confronted by a group of guys, she could easily defend herself. Hell, if it were a group of Hand ninja's, she could easily defend herself. Captain America is not so fortunate with that one, as he's only a perfect human, and can be defeated by other humans for the most part. Some humans obviously pose zero threat. Put it into context. Wolverine is little to zero threat to Storm, but a HUGE threat to Captain America. He can't simply run away, or fly to get out of danger, making him a harder target, where Storm can, and usually, the act would throw off her assailants. So in the realm of who has done more to survive? I would give to Captain America, since his restraints of powers forces him to have more ingenuity with survival. That, and he was part of SHIELD for a while, and did TONS of espionage stuff, and even was in a huge battle in Latveria. Where, if we were doing single instances, would definitely put him in a good light of experience, since it was him, Logan, Pete, Cage, Fury, and Black Widow up against tons of Latveria's tech and weaponry, where Storm could actually hang out in the upper atmosphere, cause tornado's, rain down lightning, freeze things and such, Cap HAS to be in the trenches, fighting face to face.

So, if we're simply talking who's in a daily battle to keep the human race alive, well, both obviously. Even the Runaways have had their battle to keep the Earth alive. I think the only team that has any large popularity at the moment who hasn't is the Young Avengers. And if you wanted to stretch it a bit, you could say they have by needing to sacrifice a teammate.

Power-wise, Storm has a leg up on Cap. Experience wise, I would say no. But if I'm merely questioning her leadership skills, I really don't have to. She IS a good leader. If she were not, her team would be dead like Speedball's team at least ten times over.
 
Storms experiance in the world is much more intense than Caps. She was orphaned at 5 and had to live the life of a thief. When adolesence began she walked alone, unarmed and with no powers across the continent of Africa. No chain mail, no indestructible shield, no combat training, nothing. Her powers developed on the way. All the way from Cairo south to the Serengeti. At an age when Cap was sitting safe at home with his parents. She lived alone on the Serengeti into her twenties. Cap has nothing to remotely compare. The mutants of the MU do indeed face hatred potentially everywhere they go. Many of the X-Men such as Bobby Drake came to the X-Men because of just such an experiance. A mutant in the MU can potentially be murdered just for entering a store or sitting down for a cup of coffee in a Starbucks. Only anonymity protects them from having to fight their way to every destination.
 
Silicon Surfer said:
Storms experiance in the world is much more intense than Caps. She was orphaned at 5 and had to live the life of a thief. When adolesence began she walked alone, unarmed and with no powers across the continent of Africa. No chain mail, no indestructible shield, no combat training, nothing. Her powers developed on the way. All the way from Cairo south to the Serengeti. At an age when Cap was sitting safe at home with his parents. She lived alone on the Serengeti into her twenties. Cap has nothing to remotely compare. The mutants of the MU do indeed face hatred potentially everywhere they go. Many of the X-Men such as Bobby Drake came to the X-Men because of just such an experiance. A mutant in the MU can potentially be murdered just for entering a store or sitting down for a cup of coffee in a Starbucks. Only anonymity protects them from having to fight their way to every destination.

In comparison to a sickly frail boy who got his butt kicked all the time? You're comparing a world experience of just living on your own and scrapping for food comparable to a greater life experience of war and torture first hand?

With that comparison, my life experience goes through the ROOF of the next person based on the myraid I've been through without certain tools normally required, though the truth IS, is that your experience would be comparable to mine only in the fact that you've never had to face my hardships in the same fashion I've never had to face yours. And if you REALLY want to say who has the easy life, we can go backwards and show the recent events as to who is a queen, and who is basically getting his ass handed to him every time he pokes his head out of a wall. You're comparing a thief to someone who had a new best friend every fifteen days, and was frozen for years, only to reawaken in a world that wouldn't work with him. A person who sacrificed his life as it was for more than just him. So if THAT is your comparison, a girl who was a thief to a boy who was sick all the time, and craved to help more than himself, it's not going to fly.

Actually, let's look back at it this way. Storm was basically living day to day life the best she could. And while she got cold and hungry half the time, she didn't really have much time to reflect on herself. Cap had tons of time to see himself for what he was, as a crappy body that was doomed to fail in anything physical, and the crushed ideal to help others. He didn't have to worry about himself, just the world he couldn't even begin to help.
 
When Storm was a child she also had to deal with being hunted by the law with no combat skills and no weapons and the area was run by Amahl Farouk the Shadow King. While Steve Rogers may have had an unpleasant early life it was not life threatening on a daily basis the way Storms was.
 
It's a safe bet that this convo is getting deeper than ANYONE expected.
 
Silicon Surfer said:
When Storm was a child she also had to deal with being hunted by the law with no combat skills and no weapons and the area was run by Amahl Farouk the Shadow King. While Steve Rogers may have had an unpleasant early life it was not life threatening on a daily basis the way Storms was.
Cap has pretty much lead the Avengers since he was thawed from the ice.

Storm lead for how long?

Cap = more experieced (and therefore better) leader.
 

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