Storm Vs Thor

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Cap was not the leader all of that time or even most of it. The Avengers have had many leaders. In the early days there was a rotating leadership that has included all of the original Avengers. The Vision has had a turn as leader as well. Caps leadership time has been relatively brief. The Avengers have had no regular leader.
 
Mistress Gluon said:
It's impossible to not judge someone initially by their words. Many people simply do not agree with me based on how I share my information with others. But we all must do what we can to remain unbaised. Either way.

While Storm and others have fought menacing villans in power levels that are near cosmic to cosmic threats, so has Captain America and the Avengers. Hell, big parts of his story deal with cosmic cubes, things that could destroy entire galaxies. And he's faced people like the Red Skull who wield such weapons. And he, on a large basis, fights people with powers that just make him look like what he was before he even was part of Rebirth. To compare them based on their little villans alone is not the best of examples, as of by now, they've faced villans that go both ways on the scale of power, though Captain on several cases tends to fight these super power levels on his own more than Storm does, only because she tends to appear in a team comic more often than her own, where Cap has his own comic. As for people who can take down a planet? He just went one on one with Titannus, who doesn't require an atmosphere to breathe in, and was far too strong for a team even stronger than the Defenders to take down. Not to mention he's dealt with Galactus, Onslaught (which the X-Men weren't a part of to point out), and a shared experience with the Beyonder. (Though that was more, on all cases, simply surviving encounters with said beings.)

As for Storm actually living in a long term situation where if she walked out the door, she would be shot at continuously? I don't agree. While mutant hating groups have staged attacks before, they don't do it every single day, or wait to find her in public. For the most part, she just seems to go out into public with little, or no problems with the community, where Captain America, for years was in day to day situations where things were lethal to him. Storm, going back, if she were confronted by a group of guys, she could easily defend herself. Hell, if it were a group of Hand ninja's, she could easily defend herself. Captain America is not so fortunate with that one, as he's only a perfect human, and can be defeated by other humans for the most part. Some humans obviously pose zero threat. Put it into context. Wolverine is little to zero threat to Storm, but a HUGE threat to Captain America. He can't simply run away, or fly to get out of danger, making him a harder target, where Storm can, and usually, the act would throw off her assailants. So in the realm of who has done more to survive? I would give to Captain America, since his restraints of powers forces him to have more ingenuity with survival. That, and he was part of SHIELD for a while, and did TONS of espionage stuff, and even was in a huge battle in Latveria. Where, if we were doing single instances, would definitely put him in a good light of experience, since it was him, Logan, Pete, Cage, Fury, and Black Widow up against tons of Latveria's tech and weaponry, where Storm could actually hang out in the upper atmosphere, cause tornado's, rain down lightning, freeze things and such, Cap HAS to be in the trenches, fighting face to face.

So, if we're simply talking who's in a daily battle to keep the human race alive, well, both obviously. Even the Runaways have had their battle to keep the Earth alive. I think the only team that has any large popularity at the moment who hasn't is the Young Avengers. And if you wanted to stretch it a bit, you could say they have by needing to sacrifice a teammate.

Power-wise, Storm has a leg up on Cap. Experience wise, I would say no. But if I'm merely questioning her leadership skills, I really don't have to. She IS a good leader. If she were not, her team would be dead like Speedball's team at least ten times over.
Once again you fail to understand exactly what i am saying and then toward the end of your post, your argument agrees with mine. My argument was not about the x-men vs avengers in the first place, i was in a debate with bkhedr about x-men doing just as much as avengers and that both teams should considerably be the best and greatest, since both teams have acomplished just as much in the past.

Now my argument was about captain america's combat experience from the world wars which storm is just as experienced in that type of combat and action. She's even lead the xteam without her powers into combat just like captain america so don't think she was a leader because she had the power to control the weather because that has already been proven wrong. Her survival skill are consibly just as good as captain america's because of the way she grew up. Her combat skill i believe are matched and she would own cap in a battle, not without her powers because cap is still a super human, she's trained, good in hand to hand combat, and she's found mutiple ways of using her powers in a brawl.

For not being feared when she walks out of the door is definitly not true. Don't forget that the x-men are well known now so just about any human would know exactly who she is and that she's a mutant. If they hate mutants enough they will try to attack her but alot of humans do have respect for storm, just not all of them. That still doesen't mean her guard isen't down when they go somewhere. Now if your opinion remains the same that cap is more experienced then fine, but i'm sticking with storm is and it cannot be broken by someone elses opinion.:yay:
 
The Weather God said:
Once again you fail to understand exactly what i am saying and then toward the end of your post, your argument agrees with mine. My argument was not about the x-men vs avengers in the first place, i was in a debate with bkhedr about x-men doing just as much as avengers and that both teams should considerably be the best and greatest, since both teams have acomplished just as much in the past.

Now my argument was about captain america's combat experience from the world wars which storm is just as experienced in that type of combat and action. She's even lead the xteam without her powers into combat just like captain america so don't think she was a leader because she had the power to control the weather because that has already been proven wrong. Her survival skill are consibly just as good as captain america's because of the way she grew up. Her combat skill i believe are matched and she would own cap in a battle, not without her powers because cap is still a super human, she's trained, good in hand to hand combat, and she's found mutiple ways of using her powers in a brawl.

For not being feared when she walks out of the door is definitly not true. Don't forget that the x-men are well known now so just about any human would know exactly who she is and that she's a mutant. If they hate mutants enough they will try to attack her but alot of humans do have respect for storm, just not all of them. That still doesen't mean her guard isen't down when they go somewhere. Now if your opinion remains the same that cap is more experienced then fine, but i'm sticking with storm is and it cannot be broken by someone elses opinion.:yay:

Cap is one of the best hand to hand combatants in the MU. Storm wouldnt even touch him without her powers.

Otherwise your post is good
 
Storm trained with wolverine, whos better than Cap and lead the Xmen even without her powers.
 
So what if she trained with Wolverine? What did she absorb all his knowledge? He gave her a few pointers. Doesnt make her one of the best in the MU

And Wolverine is most definately not better than Cap :o
 
The fight between Storm and Callisto in the Morlock tunnels makes a good arguement though not conclusive proof that Storms fighting abilities may be as good as or better than Caps. She easily defeated Callisto who is highly skilled and whose physical abilities are low level superhuman across the board and are superior to Caps. Callisto would have died if not for the Morlock healer. Several times in the X-Mens history Marvel has mentioned the Storm as an infant had coordination of someone years older. This suggests though does not actually prove that as an adult Storm has coordination that is is to some degree superhuman. While there is nothing definitive, the hints are spread across several stories years apart.
 
I could swear Logan has beat Cap in the past. Storm has repeatedly won fight after fight due to her enemy underestimating her. Sure she isn’t going to duke it out against an Odin Force wielding Thor (Gee, I wonder why marvel took him out of play) but against cap? I wouldn’t presume it’s a forgone conclusion, and that’s without bringing her elemental powers into play.
 
I'm not sure if Storm could outright beat Cap, but I have no doubt she'd give him a run for his money in hand to hand. Ppl tend to think of movie storm, of more recent versions of Storm where she stays out of combat blasting down lightning. There was an arc where she lost all her powers, then beat Cyclops who is no slouch in hand to hand, all while he was still allowed to use his blasts. She used the surroundings much like Cap would, and did stuff like using his own arm to block his blast, and her belt to trip him, all improvised on the spot fighting. I have the comic and would show picks but no scanner.

Anyway, Storm grew up as a thief and had a rough life before she was worshipped as a goddess. She also grew up watching her back, plenty of times someone just coming up to her to say hi, and she's turned around hand covered in lightning ready to fight, her life prior to the X-Men and growing up as a mutant taught her that. Plus as stated above she beat not only Callisto, but Marrow in hand to hand combat. Marrow is a good fighter and can keep pulling bones from her body, and she had someone throw a knife in Storm, and Storm still owned both of them without using her powers.

Storm's unique upbringing taught her to use her surroundings to hide and make surprise attacks. Cap's war time experience taught him that as well. Storm's trained not only with Wolverine, but in the Danger room against who knows what for a long time. Cap's trained a lot too. Both (until recently with Storm) have had a decent amount of big battles, cosmic and so on. I personally think Cap would win, but it wouldn't be by a landslide, it would be a lot closer than ppl think. If Storm could use her powers in that hand to hand fight, Storm would prob win. Thor would own them both tho :).

As for Wolverine and Cap, I have a feeling Wolverine's better, but it depends on the writer. Wolverine has an extensive knowledge of Martial Arts, and has went toe to toe with Shang-Chi before if I'm not mistaken and Shang was surprised during the fight. Wolverine may be more of a brawler, but he has knowledge of other MA's to help counter them, and tends to be good on thinking on his feet in a fight. Like slowly over a fight he starts to predict the patterns of a speedster type fighter and can tag them. He has heightened senses to hear and see his opponents movements than a normal human. Plus count his strength is slightly above a normal humans (900 pounds I think, while Cap is 800 pounds in peak human), couple that with indestructible metal, and a MA style punch and just his punches can be deadly. He's also got over 100+ years of experience and training under his belt, even if he's only remembering it slowly now. Plus didn't hefight Cap recently who was using that weapon designed to beat Wolverine with Wolverine unable to use his claws, and Wolverine still beat him with some artery trick, and walked off while Cap had to be carried away. Most writers just have that image that it looks cooler for him to get torn up and heal, I'd much rather they not forget he's one of Marvel's top fighters :(.
 
Weiser_Cain said:
I could swear Logan has beat Cap in the past. Storm has repeatedly won fight after fight due to her enemy underestimating her. Sure she isn’t going to duke it out against an Odin Force wielding Thor (Gee, I wonder why marvel took him out of play) but against cap? I wouldn’t presume it’s a forgone conclusion, and that’s without bringing her elemental powers into play.

She isnt going to duke it out against standard Thor either :yay:
 
FadingCB said:
I'm not sure if Storm could outright beat Cap, but I have no doubt she'd give him a run for his money in hand to hand. Ppl tend to think of movie storm, of more recent versions of Storm where she stays out of combat blasting down lightning. There was an arc where she lost all her powers, then beat Cyclops who is no slouch in hand to hand, all while he was still allowed to use his blasts. She used the surroundings much like Cap would, and did stuff like using his own arm to block his blast, and her belt to trip him, all improvised on the spot fighting. I have the comic and would show picks but no scanner.

Anyway, Storm grew up as a thief and had a rough life before she was worshipped as a goddess. She also grew up watching her back, plenty of times someone just coming up to her to say hi, and she's turned around hand covered in lightning ready to fight, her life prior to the X-Men and growing up as a mutant taught her that. Plus as stated above she beat not only Callisto, but Marrow in hand to hand combat. Marrow is a good fighter and can keep pulling bones from her body, and she had someone throw a knife in Storm, and Storm still owned both of them without using her powers.

Storm's unique upbringing taught her to use her surroundings to hide and make surprise attacks. Cap's war time experience taught him that as well. Storm's trained not only with Wolverine, but in the Danger room against who knows what for a long time. Cap's trained a lot too. Both (until recently with Storm) have had a decent amount of big battles, cosmic and so on. I personally think Cap would win, but it wouldn't be by a landslide, it would be a lot closer than ppl think. If Storm could use her powers in that hand to hand fight, Storm would prob win. Thor would own them both tho :).

As for Wolverine and Cap, I have a feeling Wolverine's better, but it depends on the writer. Wolverine has an extensive knowledge of Martial Arts, and has went toe to toe with Shang-Chi before if I'm not mistaken and Shang was surprised during the fight. Wolverine may be more of a brawler, but he has knowledge of other MA's to help counter them, and tends to be good on thinking on his feet in a fight. Like slowly over a fight he starts to predict the patterns of a speedster type fighter and can tag them. He has heightened senses to hear and see his opponents movements than a normal human. Plus count his strength is slightly above a normal humans (900 pounds I think, while Cap is 800 pounds in peak human), couple that with indestructible metal, and a MA style punch and just his punches can be deadly. He's also got over 100+ years of experience and training under his belt, even if he's only remembering it slowly now. Plus didn't hefight Cap recently who was using that weapon designed to beat Wolverine with Wolverine unable to use his claws, and Wolverine still beat him with some artery trick, and walked off while Cap had to be carried away. Most writers just have that image that it looks cooler for him to get torn up and heal, I'd much rather they not forget he's one of Marvel's top fighters :(.

Great post

I had completely forgotten about Logan's MA training

I still think he and Cap could go either way though. And I still think Cap could whup Storm hand to hand. He's probably just as skilled (if not more so ) and so much stronger/heavier that she's be outmatched
 
bkhedr said:
Great post

I had completely forgotten about Logan's MA training

I still think he and Cap could go either way though. And I still think Cap could whup Storm hand to hand. He's probably just as skilled (if not more so ) and so much stronger/heavier that she's be outmatched

Don't get me wrong tho, I'm up there with u that Cap could win. There close to even, but I have a feeling that Wolverine would win the one that counts. Wolverine loses some fights he shouldn't, and wins some he shouldn't. Let's face it, in one comic Dardevil couldn't even hurt Kingpin and kicked him til he damn near passed out and Kingpin clocked him once and won easy. Later on in Enemy of the State DD hits Wolverine who has an adamantium skeleton which is far harder than Wilson Fisks' muscles, and almost knocks Wolverine out and back onto a sword which seemed to hurt him more than the sword designed to kill him recently has done.
 
bkhedr said:
And I still think Cap could whup Storm hand to hand. He's probably just as skilled (if not more so ) and so much stronger/heavier that she's be outmatched

While I agree that Cap would win in a hand to hand fight, I really do think Storm would make him work for it.

Think about it, Storm has defeated both Callisto and Crimson Commando and they're considered mutant versions of Capt. America with enhanced sense.
 
What the hell happenned? How did this thread go from a popularity contest between Thor and Storm to a fist fight between Cap and Storm? :huh:
 
Ahura Mazda said:
What the hell happenned? How did this thread go from a popularity contest between Thor and Storm to a fist fight between Cap and Storm? :huh:

It stop being a popularity contest after the second page of this thread.:cwink:
 
like that has anything to do with anything :whatever:
 
Ahura Mazda said:
What the hell happenned? How did this thread go from a popularity contest between Thor and Storm to a fist fight between Cap and Storm? :huh:

You've been at the Hype for three years, yet you don't know the answer to that question? :huh:
 
Ultron wouldnt care :cwink:

besides its not like she's Wanda Maximoff hot or anything :woot:
 
bkhedr said:
Cap is one of the best hand to hand combatants in the MU. Storm wouldnt even touch him without her powers.

Otherwise your post is good

Storm is a good hand to hand fighter, but i do agree that she would lose in a hand to hand fight with cap, not easly tho.:yay:
 
bkhedr said:
Ultron wouldnt care :cwink:

besides its not like she's Wanda Maximoff hot or anything :woot:

She's way hotter :o

exotic Storm over plain jane Maximoff anyday. :woot:

If that's what you're talking about. :p
 
Hand to hand combat, Storm without powers against Captain America would get worked im sorry.

And Wanda is 10x hotter than Ororo in the comics... Storms gross bro. Id take Lilith the Mother of Demons over her :cwink:
 
Cyclops said:
You've been at the Hype for three years, yet you don't know the answer to that question? :huh:


Yes mea culpa on that one....I should know better
 
Doombringer said:
Hand to hand combat, Storm without powers against Captain America would get worked im sorry.

And Wanda is 10x hotter than Ororo in the comics... Storms gross bro. Id take Lilith the Mother of Demons over her :cwink:

To each their own but gross...:oldrazz:
 
Doombringer said:
Hand to hand combat, Storm without powers against Captain America would get worked im sorry.

And Wanda is 10x hotter than Ororo in the comics... Storms gross bro. Id take Lilith the Mother of Demons over her :cwink:

That depends on what storm your talking about
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This one is so beautiful don't you agree.:cwink:
 
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