Storm Vs Thor

Thor V Storm

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Doombringer said:
Hand to hand combat, Storm without powers against Captain America would get worked im sorry.

And Wanda is 10x hotter than Ororo in the comics... Storms gross bro. Id take Lilith the Mother of Demons over her :cwink:

So you have a felicity fetish?

it's cool to each there own but I'll take this Exotic Wonder
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Over this Felicity look alike anyday.

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lol j/k about the felicity joke. ;)
 
Doombringer said:
Wanda is 10x hotter than Ororo in the comics... Storms gross bro. Id take Lilith the Mother of Demons over her :cwink:

Anyone´s entitled to their tastes.

Personally, I think Storm is one of the top 3 most beautiful MU women whereas Wanda ranks just slightly above Madam Web.
 
Zeu said:
Anyone´s entitled to their tastes.

Personally, I think Storm is one of the top 3 most beautiful MU women whereas Wanda ranks just slightly above Madam Web.

I agree:yay:
 
why are people rating how fit comic book characters are? This is why there is a bad stereotype over us comic book folk! lol. Storm and Wanda at the same time btw!
 
The Weather God said:
Once again you fail to understand exactly what i am saying and then toward the end of your post, your argument agrees with mine. My argument was not about the x-men vs avengers in the first place, i was in a debate with bkhedr about x-men doing just as much as avengers and that both teams should considerably be the best and greatest, since both teams have acomplished just as much in the past.

Now my argument was about captain america's combat experience from the world wars which storm is just as experienced in that type of combat and action. She's even lead the xteam without her powers into combat just like captain america so don't think she was a leader because she had the power to control the weather because that has already been proven wrong. Her survival skill are consibly just as good as captain america's because of the way she grew up. Her combat skill i believe are matched and she would own cap in a battle, not without her powers because cap is still a super human, she's trained, good in hand to hand combat, and she's found mutiple ways of using her powers in a brawl.

For not being feared when she walks out of the door is definitly not true. Don't forget that the x-men are well known now so just about any human would know exactly who she is and that she's a mutant. If they hate mutants enough they will try to attack her but alot of humans do have respect for storm, just not all of them. That still doesen't mean her guard isen't down when they go somewhere. Now if your opinion remains the same that cap is more experienced then fine, but i'm sticking with storm is and it cannot be broken by someone elses opinion.:yay:

No, I understood it full well. But it would be unfair of me to simply use examples of the individuals, when Cap has TONS more to pull from. So I have to use them in the states that they're most useful in, as leaders, where most of their experience shines through. Because Storm, individually, hasn't dealt with entire squadrons of people single handedly without powers, or faced down cosmic level menaces single handedly without powers like Cap has. If I wanted to do that, then I could easily just capture the entire argument under unfair terms. So to balance the playing field, I must utilize their team dynamics, as since the argument is more or less, about their abilities and experiences as leaders.

Though I don't think you quite caught it when I said that as a leader, she was good, it was just that her personal combat, and team combat experience altogether, was quite lacking. She never really had to go out into a battle (several hundred times) putting people in positions, knowing they were going to flat out die, being normal humans against tons of enemy combatants.

However, I fully disagree that her survival skills are arguable as good, or better than Cap's because of a thief's live growing up, when Cap's life was just him living in trenches with mortars and bombs coming from overhead for several years straight, not to mention barrages of bullets and fully experimental weaponry that could obliterate squadrons of people just like him in a flash are things he had to take on. Her combat skills, as a strategist would be harder to compare, as she's basically for the most part dealt with powerhouses, and Captain for the most part, had bossed around normal humans, though he HAS led the Avengers, though it's assumed for a shorter time, and even then, most of his talents as leadership roles tend to be when he's working with SHIELD, and they're only normal humans as well. But in culmination, he's have tons more time, and tons more variation in his leadership experiences. Doesn't make Storm a bad leader.

You use the racism method to show how much danger she's constantly in as a way of saying just how she's bombarded on apparently a daily basis, which I find untrue. As said earlier, the mansion tends to be attacked only once in the while, and I can't even remember when she was actually attacked on the streets. Humans see and hate her, but that doesn't INSTANTLY mean she's under attack from all sides, and he was in Germany for most of the time those several years. Going back to Cap in WW2, a Nazi saw him, and he was under attack from grenades and bullets with nothing but a shield to hold them back, and he was in Germany for most of the time those several years. So in the thought that's she's in constant danger? Sure, I guess. Hate groups can attack at any time. But she wasn't nearly as hunted as the American Super Soldier an entire country wanted dead. Really, no more than a homosexual. Even I, looking for this stuff, don't see homosexuals killed by the groves every day I look for the statistics. I doubt a superpowered human would face much more adversity. And especially with Cap, now being hunted more than once by people of great assassination abilities, I would say that he finds himself in FAR more danger and must keep himself far more alert than Storm does. Does it make Storm a pushover? Once again, no. It just says that Storm doesn't have the same...mettle as Cap, I guess.

And nobody made the argument she was teamleader because of her powers. At least, not that I've seen.

Either way, I do implore you to maintain your opinion. As if everybody had the same opinion, the world would most surely halt in progression.
 
Silicon Surfer said:
The fight between Storm and Callisto in the Morlock tunnels makes a good arguement though not conclusive proof that Storms fighting abilities may be as good as or better than Caps. She easily defeated Callisto who is highly skilled and whose physical abilities are low level superhuman across the board and are superior to Caps. Callisto would have died if not for the Morlock healer. Several times in the X-Mens history Marvel has mentioned the Storm as an infant had coordination of someone years older. This suggests though does not actually prove that as an adult Storm has coordination that is is to some degree superhuman. While there is nothing definitive, the hints are spread across several stories years apart.

You could also say that Dr. Strange beat Mantis and Black Panther at the same time in hand to hand combat, and that would make him the best martial artist in the world. O.o
 
Mistress Gluon said:
You could also say that Dr. Strange beat Mantis and Black Panther at the same time in hand to hand combat, and that would make him the best martial artist in the world. O.o

The only knowledge I have about Docs martial arts ability is that he is more or less competant. I know nothing about the incidents mentioned and so I cannot comment
 
Mistress Gluon said:
No, I understood it full well. But it would be unfair of me to simply use examples of the individuals, when Cap has TONS more to pull from. So I have to use them in the states that they're most useful in, as leaders, where most of their experience shines through. Because Storm, individually, hasn't dealt with entire squadrons of people single handedly without powers, or faced down cosmic level menaces single handedly without powers like Cap has. If I wanted to do that, then I could easily just capture the entire argument under unfair terms. So to balance the playing field, I must utilize their team dynamics, as since the argument is more or less, about their abilities and experiences as leaders.

Though I don't think you quite caught it when I said that as a leader, she was good, it was just that her personal combat, and team combat experience altogether, was quite lacking. She never really had to go out into a battle (several hundred times) putting people in positions, knowing they were going to flat out die, being normal humans against tons of enemy combatants.

However, I fully disagree that her survival skills are arguable as good, or better than Cap's because of a thief's live growing up, when Cap's life was just him living in trenches with mortars and bombs coming from overhead for several years straight, not to mention barrages of bullets and fully experimental weaponry that could obliterate squadrons of people just like him in a flash are things he had to take on. Her combat skills, as a strategist would be harder to compare, as she's basically for the most part dealt with powerhouses, and Captain for the most part, had bossed around normal humans, though he HAS led the Avengers, though it's assumed for a shorter time, and even then, most of his talents as leadership roles tend to be when he's working with SHIELD, and they're only normal humans as well. But in culmination, he's have tons more time, and tons more variation in his leadership experiences. Doesn't make Storm a bad leader.

You use the racism method to show how much danger she's constantly in as a way of saying just how she's bombarded on apparently a daily basis, which I find untrue. As said earlier, the mansion tends to be attacked only once in the while, and I can't even remember when she was actually attacked on the streets. Humans see and hate her, but that doesn't INSTANTLY mean she's under attack from all sides, and he was in Germany for most of the time those several years. Going back to Cap in WW2, a Nazi saw him, and he was under attack from grenades and bullets with nothing but a shield to hold them back, and he was in Germany for most of the time those several years. So in the thought that's she's in constant danger? Sure, I guess. Hate groups can attack at any time. But she wasn't nearly as hunted as the American Super Soldier an entire country wanted dead. Really, no more than a homosexual. Even I, looking for this stuff, don't see homosexuals killed by the groves every day I look for the statistics. I doubt a superpowered human would face much more adversity. And especially with Cap, now being hunted more than once by people of great assassination abilities, I would say that he finds himself in FAR more danger and must keep himself far more alert than Storm does. Does it make Storm a pushover? Once again, no. It just says that Storm doesn't have the same...mettle as Cap, I guess.

And nobody made the argument she was teamleader because of her powers. At least, not that I've seen.

Either way, I do implore you to maintain your opinion. As if everybody had the same opinion, the world would most surely halt in progression.
I woulden't recommend comparing homesexuals to mutants especially because the mutant case is entirly and more serverely different. For one gay people don't appose a threat to an entire city or The World in injury and destruction, and some mutants can undoubtly be unstoppable from robbing banks, killing people, and doing what every they want to do whenever they want to. Third the sentinal program is just one example of why the x-men including storm need to walk out and watch their backs. Those sentinal robots go around and kill mutants just because they don't want to register also in other cases as well, i don't remember cap having to worring about giant robots with more fire power then a war chasing after him to destroy him. Not only does the sentinals apposed a threat to mutants but what about apacalypse, bastion, and the legacy virus and just plain out other stuff that has never been done to gay people, regular people, or people in war.

Storm's personal combat goes a long way, since she's been trained for hand to hand combat by wolverane and has defeated superpowered humans(mutants) without her powers, which i've explained numerous times. If she lead the x-team without her powers then that should prove right there that her personal combat is good enough to fight against super powered beings without her weather powers. Also she's highly trained at using her powers in a hand to hand combat. Captain america was still a super human and still is, so he still had a boost of help while storm did her combat completly like a human and powerless.

About her survival skills from being a theif being nothing compare to war is completly wrong. Storm have use these very skill to help herself survive while she was with the x-men. Becoming a master lock pick and knowing how to find shelter to sleep and find something to eat is nothing different then what they did in the wars. Don't forget that she was also an orphan so that ups her experience even more in the survival stage. Also leaning this while she grows up at a young age makes her all the more experience. Not to mention people chasing after her because she was a theif and more then likely shooting at her for robbing them. I believe that puts her well in the category of a survival tactician. She's also lead the x-men several times and the Xtreme x-men so her leadership is not to be questioned at all.

Also someone did make the argument that she was teamleader because of her powers.
 
By the time she hit 16, Storm was a survival expert who dealt with things the vast majority of humans never had to face.
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At 16, Steve was a nerdy git who routinelly got beaten up and humiliated by bullies.

No comparison.
 
Storms lead the team without her powers, let's see Cap do anything other than die heroically without his powers
 
When Cap was turned back into a normal guy by Sersi he couldn't fight even normal guys. When he got into trouble they beat him until he was so desperate that he triggered the programmed transformation that Sersi "forgot" to tell him about.
 
It´s the problem of superpowered beings, they may have lots of experience fighting in their super-bodies but once reduced to out "scale", much of what they´ve learned is useless.
 
Weiser_Cain said:
Storms lead the team without her powers, let's see Cap do anything other than die heroically without his powers

Cap has no powers :o

The SS serum makes him peak human not superhuman. And the man spends hours a day training and excersicing because he knows that he goes up against superhumans all the time and needs that extra edge. Remove the SS serum and he wouldnt lose the benefit of all that training
 
Zeu said:
It´s the problem of superpowered beings, they may have lots of experience fighting in their super-bodies but once reduced to out "scale", much of what they´ve learned is useless.

See what I dont get is that you guys say that and use Cap and Thor as examples (when Cap isnt a superpowered being anyway and Thor without powers is still the greatest warrior who ever lived) but for some reason Storm (a superpowered being who just happened to grow up as a thief) is totaly exempt from your theories about depowered superhumans

yeah when superbeings like Cap and thor lose their powers they are as helpless as newborns but when Storm loses her powers she could take on a tank battalion :whatever:
 
Cap i'm sure is still really close to superhuman stage seeing as the SS serum still advanced him to the greatest point of a human being. That's why i say storm woulden't defeat him in a hand to hand battle because he still haves an advantage at being at a human's peak. It just woulden't be fair for a women to fight someone with advanced abiliies. Now i'm almost sure that cap would still be the same without the serum, just slightly slower at reflex, strenth, and agility.
 
I'm saddened to think that there are actually people who can write off having spent time in the trenches of World War II, as opposed to time spent living on the streets. Some people seriously need to bone up on their history lessons. Heck, if I read these posts, I'd think WWII was a cake walk or something.
 
The Super Soldier Serum transformed him from scrawny, weak, frail and uncoordinated to what he is now. If you remove the serum he returns to what he was, which is physically almost hopeless. Storm and Thor have bodies that they were born in, not transformed to. Storms powers don't relate to her physical ability so if you remove her powers her combat skills are unchanged because they never involved her powers anyway. If you remove Thors powers his skills will diminish but his body is still large, strong and athletic and he will adapt readily enough, especially since he has spent considerable time in a mortal body and is used to it.
 
I find it absolutelly hillarious how people go on and on about how Cap trains every day to be at his absolute peak but conveniently fail to remember what it´s like to be an X-Men.

Those hours upon hours they spend in the Danger Room every day training and perfecting theirselves against all sorts of scenarios and battle simulations, from Sentinels to Magneto?

I guess they don´t count, uh?
 
Zeu said:
I find it absolutelly hillarious how people go on and on about how Cap trains every day to be at his absolute peak but conveniently fail to remember what it´s like to be an X-Men.

Those hours upon hours they spend in the Danger Room every day training and perfecting theirselves against all sorts of scenarios and battle simulations, from Sentinels to Magneto?

I guess they don´t count, uh?


Who said the x-men dont train?
why else would they have a danger room?

of course they train
but keep in mind that the danger room was designed for them to train in the use of their powers in a controlled environment
so what that has to do with depowered storm whupping powered cap I have no idea

but of course their training counts


I just think Cap spends more time training than they do that's all
 
That´s utter and comp'lete BULL.
The X-Men train for ALL sorts of scenarios imaginable, powerless included.

In Kitty Pryde´s baptism of Fire she was taught just that.
"- Practice, practice, practice! Why do they train so much? Because many times your powers are not the solution."
 
Ok so they use the Danger Room to do everything from fight Galactus to bake cookies and they do it 24 hours a day while going shopping in the malls and being attacked by mutant hating mobs that are far more determined and dangerous than the wermacht and can easily kill them at any moment ever freaking day:whatever:

Cap still trains more than they do
and he's still got more expereince then Storm :yay:
 
Thor dominates Storm

Storm is more attractive to readers to relate too

Captain A better Leader....Better hand to hand....would be the only one that would lead the marvel universe to battle
 
Harlekin said:
I'm saddened to think that there are actually people who can write off having spent time in the trenches of World War II, as opposed to time spent living on the streets. Some people seriously need to bone up on their history lessons. Heck, if I read these posts, I'd think WWII was a cake walk or something.

Nobody said the streets were harder then war, my point was about her survival skill from the streets making her a Survival Tactitain. I also advise you to bone up on how rough the streets can be because obvously you've never had it as rough as storm to even compare it like it's an easy task.

Mike059jig said:
Captain A better Leader....Better hand to hand....would be the only one that would lead the marvel universe to battle

I'm affraid that would be your opinion

bkhedr said:
Ok so they use the Danger Room to do everything from fight Galactus to bake cookies and they do it 24 hours a day while going shopping in the malls and being attacked by mutant hating mobs that are far more determined and dangerous than the wermacht and can easily kill them at any moment ever freaking day

Cap still trains more than they do
and he's still got more expereince then Storm

They don't have to use it all day and i'm sure captain america doesen't train all day as well. But they do have to do all of that almost everyday.
 

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