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Sci-Fi Stranger Things (Netflix) - Part 1

Loved Season 3. I feel it picked up a lot in Episode 4, but I was entertained throughout and watched them all over the past weekend. Want to go back and rewatch them eventually. But from my memory of each season, I much prefer S3 over S2. I actually ended up liking Steve/Robyn dynamic a lot. And Billy... that actor did a great job. Actually, I really think everyone did a great job, acting wise.

Special effects were great too. I'm ready for Stranger Things 4 now... curious to see where it all goes. Especially with how it ended.
 
The Russian subplot made 0 sense but the chemistry among the characters sold it.

I liked Erica in small bits of season 2. Season 3 they overdid it. I can imagine loads probably hate her more than those that enjoy her.

Did Mike and Lucas get dumber? It seems only Dustin kept his nerd credentials plus his brains.
 
The Russian subplot made 0 sense but the chemistry among the characters sold it.

I liked Erica in small bits of season 2. Season 3 they overdid it. I can imagine loads probably hate her more than those that enjoy her.

Did Mike and Lucas get dumber? It seems only Dustin kept his nerd credentials plus his brains.
How did it not make sense?
 
How did it not make sense?
I liked this season a lot, very entertaining... But even in a show dealing with mutant experiments and transdimensional evil beings they were riding the suspension of disbelief horse to the point of exhaustion with the Russian aspect of the plot.
Hawkins was the site of a uber top secret US government experimental facility. Yes, it is closed down but it is still home to a psychokinetic teenaged girl and was ground zero for two incursions from a hostile life forms from another plane of reality. Dr. Owens is a good guy, he set up Hopper with papers to give Eleven a normal life... But that town would still be on the government's radar big time. And we know Hopper himself still has some kind of connections to Owen and the government. And yet... The Russkies were able to pull off what they did right under everyone's noses? The logistics alone are kinda mind blowing. So... This mall was built over a secret Russian lab burrowed into the Earth. In Hawkins building this thing would have been a big deal. The site is public knowledge, and we have to assume there had to be tons employed to build it from the town... Cuz the alternative is the Russians built it all themselves, mall and everything.

That just doesn't track. Again... The logistics alone make it ****ing INSANE. That the US built Hawkins Lab is one thing. That the USSR built their facility, requiring a literal army to pull off on American soil in the 1980's is bat guano insane. That the Russkies are also keeping all these soldiers and technicians around, all in their uniforms, is... This is Saturday morning cartoon show stuff. It just is.

Yeah... It is a sci fi fantasy show but c'mon, nothing in the previous two seasons was THIS level of over the top. I liked this season plenty and it was very entertaining. It delivered a gut punch of a finale. But this was also the season that they went WAY broader with a lot of aspects. The horror monster stuff being bigger (literally) was fine... But they went further with the humor and went over the line on the "remember the 80's" nostalgia bull****. Having New Coke in the background is one thing... Stopping the show dead in its tracks just to do a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge" converation about New Coke is on the pandering side. Same with Dustin singing Neverending Story. It's broad, in your face pandering.

Now... Maybe that's the point. This is 1985. The 80's themselves are going bigger and brasher at this point in pop culture and culture in general I suppose. So...Why not have the Russians based out of a mall? Who cares about a semblance of reality? We got Steve and Dustin infiltrating a dirty Commie Science Base! It's just cool! Don't overthink it!

I guess...

Look it doesn't ruin anything for me. It was a very good season that never dragged and I enjoyed it a lot but there were some issues this season and I hope this doesn't portend a spiral into something more lazy and less nuanced and enngaging in the next season. They don't have to win me back or anything, I just hope they go back to the subtle and more grounded (such as it is in a show with sci fi elements) approach of the previous seasons.
 
it made no sense that they hired russians as security guards. And why did they have to wear the uniforms? it would be cheaper to hire americans. what if they would tell anyone? well how can you make sure that all the russians will not talk? and how the f... did they get so many russians inside US ? i also agree that the lab was to big and to low under the mall. it was to much even for a scifi tv show. my question is this. if the lab was very small and only a couple meters underground......who would complain about this? who wouldnt like this? less is more.

i was still very entertained by season 3.
 
Anyone else think Mike is such an annoying little *****e? In season 1 I couldn't stand Lucas but in season 2 and 3, Mike is the worst kid besides Erica

Will
Eleven
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Max
Lucas
Mike

I like Lucas much more in season 2 and 3
 
Oh and some odd choices but I've been able to suspend belief just fine
 
I think Mike's behavior is realistic for a hormonal teenager, as petulant as he can be at times.


Yeah I don't get this annoyance some viewers of things often have when characters aren't always 100% personally likeable 100% of the time when they are presented as nominal protagonists. Yeah, I know... Sopranos/Breaking Bad. There are lots of shows where these main characters are far from moral paragons fans understand but don't condone. But then... That aspect is baked into those shows.

No I mean more as we are seeing here where after the first season of ST whenever these characters start coloring outside the lines of how they were presented in the first season (this can apply to entire shows really) fans turn automatically to a negative response.
And often without putting thought into the wider context of things.

Mike is a child of privilege raised in relative comfort. He's going through puberty, lives a sheltered and privileged life, and has been fixated (perhaps even unhealthily so) on this girl he discovered, cared for, was taken away from him only to have her brought back... So he is young and inexperienced, at a socially awkward phase, is susceptible to obsessions... Yeah that can easily be a brew for a very tone deaf and obnoxious little **** when he acts out.

That doesn't totally define Mike but it's really not completely unbelievably coming from his character either even if it might rub fans the wrong way. Cuz the other choice is to keep him in amber as the cutie pie innocent kid from episode one and... That's not interesting in any way.
 
Did anyone actually like Billy in S2 or S3?

I thought he was a good non-supernatural antagonist.

Him and Hopper were my MVP’s this season. I thought the actor did a really good job, he portrayed the emotional struggle of Billy so well, especially in the last episode.
 
Yeah it's realistic and understandable for Mike and kids like him to be like that but it's still annoying . I don't want him to be innocent and a goodie goodie but just toned down a bit.

He may mature in S4, so who knows
 
Yeah it's realistic and understandable for Mike and kids like him to be like that but it's still annoying . I don't want him to be innocent and a goodie goodie but just toned down a bit.

He may mature in S4, so who knows

I think this is also a function of the now rather sprawling cast and break neck pacing of this season though.

Think about it... Outside of monster shenanigans and the issues with romancing Eleven (And outside of snogging... What's that based on, exactly? They had as Murray said, shared trauma... But what ELSE keeps them together and in a healthy way?) what else did Michael have going on? For a blip there was some tension about where the group goes as they grow, but, ****, giant monsters and ****, who has got time for anything else in the face of that? And that's an issue for me. What's registering as Mike's sole characteristic is in fact at the forefront because there's little else for him cuz we gotta dole out screen time to a metric **** ton of other characters. And this is getting unwieldy and it's affecting things. So, I sort of get why some fans are defining Mike just as a whiny kids in puppy love. I think at least he got some more focus cuz he's attached to firmly to Eleven because look at some other characters... Jonathon is just an adjunct to Nancy now, as Lucas is mostly just an adjunct to Max. Even my main man Steve... Yeah, he was involved in a crazy over the top but ultimately fun story this season, but at the end of it all... He came away with a new friend. Fine, but... Steve wasn't pushed forward all that much as a character. It's commendable that Steve reacted so well to Robin's coming out to him. And they were a funny team, and they played off each other well. But again... Steve's story didn't really get pushed any further.

I think if they keep on bringing in new cast members, like Hawke as Robin or making supporting members more prominent, like Erica and Murray, then they need to slow down the pacing a bit and add a couple more episodes to allow for some more development and breathing room.

I know lots have really enjoyed this season for it's breeziness. And I get why. But... Look back on the previous two seasons. The show often had slower and more contemplative moments and I think THOSE moments are what cemented these characters into the favorites that they are. This season though, was just very rapid fire and split up among a such a large group that bullet points of character and performance (even when they do make sense) are what's registering rather then a more nuanced and layered picture being painted in the viewers mind. So... Mike is just coming across petulant, Hopper is just angry, Lucas is just a henpecked boyfriend etc.
 
I don't have a problem with Mike being an annoying teenager (he's been that way since season 1), but it doesn't make sense that everyone would follow him like he's a leader. Nothing points to why the others would look to him as one.
 
Given how things were headed even before the big status quo shift at the end of Season 3 by the time we get back in the groove with the gang and extended cast I dare say we will be seeing some dramatic shifts in the dynamics all around.

I mean the ending essentially blew up the way things were and Lord knows where it can go from here on.

Jonathon and Nancy are now split up and you have to ask can they survive as a couple? Jonathon is under more pressure to help his mother and brother. What does that do to him?They'll be starting out somewhere new regardless of where and that takes all sorts of support away from someone like Joyce, even if what we might consider major, there were people Joyce knew for her whole life that she could lean on. Now, more than ever she needs Jonathon. But what's that do for Jonathon's hopes and dreams for himself? How can he make time for Nancy?

Nancy is left in Hawkins and she still has her family, well off with connections, to help her. But now she's in a strange place where she may be wondering if staying there is worth it. Or maybe with Jonathon gone this could lead to wanting something or someone else? People can say they are alright with a decison but time changes things. Will she feel abandoned by Jonathon at some point, feeling he chose his mother and brother over her? It's a human reaction. And something that does indeed often come into play in relationships between men and women.

Eleven and Mike are now also separated. Can Eleven handle that well? The poor girl has had far few moments of normalcy. Now her adopted father is gone and she's separated from her first love. We've seen in the past that she's maybe not as emotionally equipped to deal with complex circumstances in reasonable ways. She lacks a fully developed sense of these things culturally so she has tended take big dramatic actions. Is she growing up more now or will she revert to that again? And I know... Lots are on the "Will is DEFINITELY GAY" train right now. I'm more than open to that... But I also feel that (since like a lot of the personal arcs of season 3 a lot of things got cut short or just dropped altogether once the monster plot started kicking into gear) there was nothing really definitive on that front either. What Mike said and Will's actions in season 3 easily can be seen as a commentary on how Will isn't moving forward into young adulthood at the pace the others are. That he's, maybe after Eleven, the most scarred of the kids, and as such he's fighting the inevitable death of childhood. That moment in Castle Byers was not a moment that had to do with his sexuality I think. It's as I said, him feeling self loathing that his friends are growing out of childhood and he isn't proceeding at the same pace as them, probably again, because he's been emotionally damaged due to his experiences. Now, I bring that up because, well... What's Murray say all the time? "Shared Trauma"? Well... Eleven will be sharing a house with Will now. I can think of no better grist for the mill of drama than those two now seeing each other regularly developing something. (I can already hear the cries of "BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY CLICHE' LOVE TRIANGLES!" To which my answer is... If tropes and cliche's are an issue for you then why the hell are you watching this show?)


On a similar note, if one has paid attention, Steve's story has kinda hit a wall. Yes, his adventure with Erica, Dustin and Robin was fun, but it didn't do what his stories in season one and two did. Those arcs moved him further away from the person we met at the start of season one and integrated him into the core group as well as reveal his innate heroic nature. The problme is Steve's heroism hasn't profitted him in any way. And now he's got a wonderful future as a... Video stor clerk? Yeah, that'll be great for him handing with Dustin and Robin late nights on Fri. and Sat. but where are they going with Steve? And... I'm sorry, but again... Love triangle cliche's might be in his future. He says he's not in love with Nancy but... Well Jonathon isn't in Hawkins anymore. And it might not even be him that initiates it. Nancy might look at the way Steve has reformed and fall for him all over again, or she could take pity on him seeing how none of his good deeds has really given him any rewards... In any case it could go that way is what I'm saying.


I also think that, sure, we know the Upside Down isn't done with our heroes. The question becomes how this enters their lives again. Also now, we have not one but TWO government powers to contend with. By all accounts Dr. Owens is a stand up dude, but one has to wonder how the U.S. government will respond to Joyce now being the person who not only has a son that had been to the other dimension and lived to tell the tale, but came back, was possessed and now has some kind of Upside Down sixth sense.... AAAAAND... She's now also the caretaker of the psychic/psychokinetic child produced from Hawkins Labs.

This doesn't even touch on Dustin's or Lucas' or Max's possible stories and arcs.

As much as it hurt... Man, Hopper's death really did have this ripple on almost everything on the show, and the next season can go into all kinds of directions it couldn't when it was in a more or less similar status quo to the first season.
 
Are we sure Hopper is dead? I mean in the post credits scene there was an American in the Russian cells. Could have he survived and being captured?
 
Are we sure Hopper is dead? I mean in the post credits scene there was an American in the Russian cells. Could have he survived and being captured?

Lot of clues are pointing to the contrary, yeah.

There's also this when you try to reach Murray's phone number:

 
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Lol I don't understand everyone's hate for Mike. He's had like one scene where he was a complete *****e to Hopper and that was pretty much it. The rest of the season he was pretty much just trying to do right by El and apologize for the lie. As far as others seeing him as the leader, are we watching the same show?
The kids didn't know jack **** what to do really until Nancy and Jon came in and led that group. The best idea they had was the sauna test and that idea almost got El killed, until Mike (gasp) came to the rescue.

As far as his "unhealthy" obsession with El, I mean I can't really call it unhealthy if both parties are equally obsessed.
I mean El sounded absolutely like a controlling girlfriend the way she was basically interrogating Mike on why he didn't show up. So the obsession runs both ways.
And is it really unhealthy if they are both learning and growing from it to become better more mature significant others, and as people?
 
Lol did she just spoil Hopper's non-death here? Lmao. And her revealing that the cast pretending it was the end of filming forever to film the moving scene might explain why some people mentioned her IG posts sounded very final when announcing the end of filming for this season, as opposed to season 2 where it sounded like they were coming back. This thing so method lol.
 

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