Summer 2011 box office predictions - Part 1

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I don't think Marvel expects IM1 money out of either Thor or Cap. I think Thor is making about what Marvel expected with the first Iron Man, and they prob expect Cap to equal or slightly outperform Thor. I think the box office experts and fans are the ones who want every new comic film to become Iron Man. Plus, given Cap and Thor don't have the budget IM2 or Avengers had, it will be easier to net profit off them.

Now, WB is a bit different. GL had well over 200mil invested into it, so clearly, they felt they had another major comic property. I think GL def gets left out of the sequel race. But, Thor and Cap both appear in the Avengers film. I see them both getting boosts off that, and their sequels will up their BO bankability. The good WOM Thor got, and Cap I think will get, also helps.
 
I liked Mojo's article and agree with it wholeheartedly. The studios are stupid if they think that ever comicbook movie is going to be an Iron Man atleast. They need to treat most of these B-listers as the B-listers they are budget wise.

But I highly doubt that Marvel or Fox were looking at their movies as Blockbusters. X-men First Class was not that big a risk financially. Neither was Thor, considering that it probably cost $225 million total make and market ($150 million + 100). You guys all forget that Thor was a success and that Iron Man wasn't at first a household name. I mean, what do you expect studios to do? Not try? Not every movie will be Iron Man, but that doesn't mean that there's a chance another superhero will become popular.

WB however believed that Green Lantern could make Iron Man money. They had shown that by how much money they sunk into the film and by letting it go over budget.

EDIT: And it's not like any of these movies appealed to all audiences enough or had enough recognition to make enough money.
 
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I don't think Marvel expects IM1 money out of either Thor or Cap. I think Thor is making about what Marvel expected with the first Iron Man, and they prob expect Cap to equal or slightly outperform Thor. I think the box office experts and fans are the ones who want every new comic film to become Iron Man. Plus, given Cap and Thor don't have the budget IM2 or Avengers had, it will be easier to net profit off them.

Now, WB is a bit different. GL had well over 200mil invested into it, so clearly, they felt they had another major comic property. I think GL def gets left out of the sequel race. But, Thor and Cap both appear in the Avengers film. I see them both getting boosts off that, and their sequels will up their BO bankability. The good WOM Thor got, and Cap I think will get, also helps.
They push these films really hard, as if they are expecting a ton of money.

But I highly doubt that Marvel or Fox were looking at their movies as Blockbusters. X-men First Class was not that big a risk financially. Neither was Thor, considering that it probably cost $225 million total make and market ($150 million + 100). You guys all forget that Thor was a success and that Iron Man wasn't at first a household name. I mean, what do you expect studios to do? Not try? Not every movie will be Iron Man, but that doesn't mean that there's a chance another superhero will become popular.

WB however believed that Green Lantern could make Iron Man money. They had shown that by how much money they sunk into the film and by letting it go over budget.

EDIT: And it's not like any of these movies appealed to all audiences enough or had enough recognition to make enough money.
I'm not forgetting that Thor was a success but Thor was pushed heavily, had good reviews, had a couple of stars and had the prime May spot and yet it couldn't reach 200mil, even with those ridiculous 3D tickets prices. Now I never expected it to reach 200mil and I don't think that anybody expected 300mil but it's not out of the realm of possiblity that Marvel expected 200mil. 200mil with 3D ticket prices is like 170milish anyhow, so it's not like thats some over the top number for it to reach. Also the legs probably aren't even going to be as good as the first X-Men's were.

I'm not ignoring the movie's success but it really shouldn't be put up on any huge blockbuster status as the article said.

First Class's problem isn't even it's opening really (but the opening was pretty damn weak for an X-film) but it's legs. With those reviews and that so-called great word of mouth this movie should be heading for atleast 165mil and it isn't. It's numbers have been slightly disappointing, end of story. It's comp hasn't even been that tough so there is no reason this movie should have posted to 50+ percent drops. 165mil total off of that opening is not a wild number.

First Class is so not a blockbuster and it's numbers have been underwhelming even when you take the good but not amazing overseas numbers into account. Like I said before maybe Fox will make a sequel but I see no proof that this is the Batman Begins of this series because Batman Begins had legs. Star Trek had legs too. FC? Not so much.

WB just f**ked up with GL, I think we all know that now and they had to be expecting atleast 250mil from it domestically.

In conclusion, Thor did well but none of the movies have hit that coveted 200mil domestic mark and thus they haven't really broken out.

I could be wrong but I see Captain America breaking out. He's actually an A-lister (almost everyone is aware of the character) and if the movie is as good as the trailers it should break 200mil because the marketing has been damn good. The only thing I think could hurt it is the period peice angle. HP 17 is going to open huge but like all HP movies it's going to drop like a rock. I'm of the mindset that people are overpredicting it's total again like they have done with every HP film. I don't see it hitting these 400mil predictions. If it does, thats crow I'll have to eat but those are my thoughts right now.
 
They push these films really hard, as if they are expecting a ton of money.

I think that is more hoping it is the next Iron Man and breaks out, and not so much expectation that it will be. There is a difference. Like I said, WB seemed to think GL was the next Iron Man clearly (and they're eating crow for it). But, I think Marvel started this whole universe thinking only Avengers would be the big one. Iron Man being that big was a very nice surprise, and they altered their plans and made an IM2 shortly after to cash in on that (why I feel it had less soul than IM1 did). I don't think Marvel expected the same out of Thor or Cap. I think they are getting about what they expected for the first solo outings just before their baby (The Avengers) hits theaters. Marvel I think is hoping Avengers will be the push that makes these characters into A-list blockbuster heroes. The solo were more a necessary step in order to get to Avengers.
 
Okay so Transformers for some dumb reason now comes out next Tuesday but my theater only has like one 9pm showing. WTF is going on with that???

Pretty sure it comes out on Wednesday and the 9 PM showing is like a midnight showing type thing.
 
I think that is more hoping it is the next Iron Man and breaks out, and not so much expectation that it will be. There is a difference. Like I said, WB seemed to think GL was the next Iron Man clearly (and they're eating crow for it). But, I think Marvel started this whole universe thinking only Avengers would be the big one. Iron Man being that big was a very nice surprise, and they altered their plans and made an IM2 shortly after to cash in on that (why I feel it had less soul than IM1 did). I don't think Marvel expected the same out of Thor or Cap. I think they are getting about what they expected for the first solo outings just before their baby (The Avengers) hits theaters. Marvel I think is hoping Avengers will be the push that makes these characters into A-list blockbuster heroes. The solo were more a necessary step in order to get to Avengers.

Agreed. There's a difference between hoping (they hope all of them become huge hits) and expecting.
 
To an extent, Captain America is supposed to be counter programing to HP.
Can't wait to see how this plays out.

I don't think right wingers are down for Euro wizards lol.
 
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I guess I'm a left winger and I don't want to see HP. lol

Happy for the people who love HP but I don't give a flying s**t about those movies.
 
I enjoy the Harry Potter films, but they don't hold a candle to the books.
 
To and extent, Captain America is supposed to be counter programing to HP.
Can't wait to see how this plays out.

I'm liberal as **** and I'm more excited for Cap than HP.
 
I think that is more hoping it is the next Iron Man and breaks out, and not so much expectation that it will be. There is a difference. Like I said, WB seemed to think GL was the next Iron Man clearly (and they're eating crow for it). But, I think Marvel started this whole universe thinking only Avengers would be the big one. Iron Man being that big was a very nice surprise, and they altered their plans and made an IM2 shortly after to cash in on that (why I feel it had less soul than IM1 did). I don't think Marvel expected the same out of Thor or Cap. I think they are getting about what they expected for the first solo outings just before their baby (The Avengers) hits theaters. Marvel I think is hoping Avengers will be the push that makes these characters into A-list blockbuster heroes. The solo were more a necessary step in order to get to Avengers.

The thing is I don't really see Avengers actually ending up more successful than the first Iron Man or I2. In the end i think the under-performance of the comic book movies that have come out this summer is endemic of a comic book movie fatigue the public might be feeling, combined with a lack of attraction to these actual superheroes.

I don't think combining the parts will necessarily make it that much greater.
 
The thing is I don't really see Avengers actually ending up more successful than the first Iron Man or I2. In the end i think the under-performance of the comic book movies that have come out this summer is endemic of a comic book movie fatigue the public might be feeling, combined with a lack of attraction to these actual superheroes.

I don't think combining the parts will necessarily make it that much greater.


I wonder how there going to market this thing though to the general public next year, because thor was successful but Incredible hulk didnt do much business and its still up in the air for cap in 4 weeks. Im starting to suspect they'll market it based around ironman as the main hero and try to trick people into thinking its ironman 3 or something pending captain america doesnt become bigger. Its no secret though we all know batman is going to be the movie to beat next year with spiderman as the wildcard, but atleast all 3 movies are seperate enough where can make some money.
 
I don't think the audience is tired of comic book films, I do think they have lost that instant interest factor they had in 2000. The "genre" is in the same boat as every other genre now. Which means each film has to stand on it's own two feet. The films this year all performed they they their trailers sold them to perform. Being titled a comic book won't get you anywhere anymore, you really have to bring it. And if you want to be an even film, sell an event film.

There is a sort of fatigue going on, but not in the way people think.
If your trailer looks like a period version of ATeam, it will perform as such.
 
Not sure if this is common practice but Transformers is rated PG here in Canada.
apparently all pg13 films this year have been.
Maybe box office inflation may not be the only reason for this years numbers.
 
I don't know why some people are acting like this is some big shock that none of these CBMs haven't gotten past 200 mill dom, or think the GA is getting tired of them or are ready to start declaring the genre dead.

In this era, apart from the Spider-Man, Iron Man and (1) Batman movies, no other cbm has come close to sniffing 300 mill dom, only four made it past 200 million, Batman Begins, Superman Returns, X2 and X3. None even made it to 235, much less 250.

Like I was saying last year, if any of these movies got to or got past 200 mill, I would've been jumping for joy, if they didn't I wouldn't have been the least bit surprised.
 
I enjoy the Harry Potter films, but they don't hold a candle to the books.

You should never hold a candle to a book.

Also...all books are better than their movies. I used to say that but then I realized that they are two entirely different mediums. If you can take an 800 page book and write a script for a movie that has to be around 140 minutes without leaving anything out to make hardcore fans angry then you would be the most successful writer ever.:awesome:
 
The thing is I don't really see Avengers actually ending up more successful than the first Iron Man or I2. In the end i think the under-performance of the comic book movies that have come out this summer is endemic of a comic book movie fatigue the public might be feeling, combined with a lack of attraction to these actual superheroes.

I don't think combining the parts will necessarily make it that much greater.

People loved Iron Man because of RDJ. He is in The Avengers. I see Avengers making around 300 million domestic. It and TDKR will be the event movies next year.
 
I think the second weekend of Potter will be devastating to Cap. The first weekend of Potter may be huge ($ 135-150M), even with a fall of 50 or even 60% it will still be in the $ 60-70M. So Cap will be front and may be # 1, but Potter is going to take a lot of people.

What do you think?
 
That's exactly what I said in here somewhere. Potter is almost guaranteed around $60 million it's second weekend out so Cap has to put up a huge fight just to be number one. It's going to be extremely close.
 
I still think regardless of the America **** yeah thing Cap has going for it, this being Potter's final outing is going to count for a bigger turnout this time around States side, so it wouldn't surprise me if Potter reigns over CA in its second week, in fact I'm half expecting it.
 
That's exactly what I said in here somewhere. Potter is almost guaranteed around $60 million it's second weekend out so Cap has to put up a huge fight just to be number one. It's going to be extremely close.

Okay. We'll see. Anyway, HP are generally lose 50 to 60% in second weekend, but with 3D & enthusiasm, I mean normally, the fall should be much less harsh than before. I see the movie stranded on the shores of $ 370M.

Here in France, the film comes out July 13, he has no direct competition, since Transformers 3 is not very popular.

Green Lantern is a flop. I thought it would take a little more bang for its second weekend.
 
I don't know why some people are acting like this is some big shock that none of these CBMs haven't gotten past 200 mill dom, or think the GA is getting tired of them or are ready to start declaring the genre dead.

In this era, apart from the Spider-Man, Iron Man and (1) Batman movies, no other cbm has come close to sniffing 300 mill dom, only four made it past 200 million, Batman Begins, Superman Returns, X2 and X3. None even made it to 235, much less 250.

Like I was saying last year, if any of these movies got to or got past 200 mill, I would've been jumping for joy, if they didn't I wouldn't have been the least bit surprised.

your theory applies to films that aren't very good or have baggage.
All things being equal if one of these films is good in it's own right it will easily make it past 200 and if it's great it will dance around 300.

The problem is DC is hit or miss and marvel is consistently making enjoyable films.

Fox has so much bagge it hurts it's release even if they are good. Same will go for DareDevil and an Aronofski less Wolverine.
 
That's exactly what I said in here somewhere. Potter is almost guaranteed around $60 million it's second weekend out so Cap has to put up a huge fight just to be number one. It's going to be extremely close.

if cap opens at #2 in it's first week, that will be the nail in the coffin for how this year's Blist characters performed.
 
It'll also kinda show that superheroes are starting to wane.
 
You should never hold a candle to a book.

Also...all books are better than their movies. I used to say that but then I realized that they are two entirely different mediums. If you can take an 800 page book and write a script for a movie that has to be around 140 minutes without leaving anything out to make hardcore fans angry then you would be the most successful writer ever.:awesome:

Holy crap, an HP fan with reasoning. :awesome:
 
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