Supergirl Supergirl General Discussion Thread - - - Part 12

[Lencho01]

Here's how the Arrowverse's 'Elseworlds' crossover will address Batman's absence

 

[Dr.]

Hmmm. Lois isn't wearing a ring...

 

[flickchick85]

Hmmm. Lois isn't wearing a ring...

Well they had previously established them as unmarried in his first appearance.

 

[Herolee10]

Well they had previously established them as unmarried in his first appearance.

I am actually curious to see on whether they will address on why this version of Lois and Clark are not married yet. From everything we have heard about them thus far, they do not have any reason not to be.

I just hope that it isn't the case where they try to give some dumb excuse that they do not believe that they need to be married to express their love or how it is outdated, etc.

 

[Dr.]

Well they had previously established them as unmarried in his first appearance.

But not even an engagement ring?

 

[BH/HHH]

I am actually curious to see on whether they will address on why this version of Lois and Clark are not married yet. From everything we have heard about them thus far, they do not have any reason not to be.

I just hope that it isn't the case where they try to give some dumb excuse that they do not believe that they need to be married to express their love or how it is outdated, etc.

Maybe it's a nod to Smallville where they didn't seem to be able to get married cause something kept happening.

 

[Dark Raven]

Hmmm. Lois isn't wearing a ring...

Maybe she was doing the dishes and took it off because she didn't want to lose it down the plughole.

 

[Dr.]

I also just read on how the producers confirmed that Batman DOES indeed exist on Earth 1 and that he has been missing for 3 years, hence why Batwoman had to step up to the plate to fill the void left in his absense. He wad apparently considered to be an urban myth that even Oliver did not believe about.

*sigh* The route that makes the least amount of sense with what they've established. I'm not even a little surprised.

Nerdy musings…

I wonder if Kara will mention that Earth 38 has (apparently?) its own version of Batman. Or will past hints to that effect be quietly ignored?

There’s precedent for duplicate versions of the same/similar characters existing in the “multiverse.” E.g., the Flash, Laurel Lance, etc. But so far, (methinks?) these doubles have all originated on the lesser-known “Earths” - which aren’t the setting for any current series.* Whereas, (methinks?) our featured Earths 1 and 38 have been consistent with the non-duplication of characters. E.g., there is no Flash or GA on Earth 38; there is no Supergirl or Superman on Earth 1. So two “Batmans” would be sorta novel. Though… if there are no plans for either version of Batman to appear on either version of Earth (because of Reasons), then perhaps the point is moot.

* Black Lightning = ?

 

[NotNickFury]

Though "World's Finest" did reveal that there's at least a Central City on Earth-38, but no S.T.A.R. Labs. So yeah, sounds like with the main Earths there are no duplicate characters, but maybe on Kara's world, she and Clark are the only superheroes around as of now. Plus Clark's "friend," yeah. So maybe Earth-38 versions of Barry, Oliver, and so on aren't around yet, like how there are no Kryptonians on Earth-1...maybe.

But then Reverse Flash mentioned during Crisis on Earth X that he fought Superman, in the future and now I'm going far too deep down this rabbit hole.

 

[BH/HHH]

Though "World's Finest" did reveal that there's at least a Central City on Earth-38, but no S.T.A.R. Labs. So yeah, sounds like with the main Earths there are no duplicate characters, but maybe on Kara's world, she and Clark are the only superheroes around as of now. Plus Clark's "friend," yeah. So maybe Earth-38 versions of Barry, Oliver, and so on aren't around yet, like how there are no Kryptonians on Earth-1...maybe.

But then Reverse Flash mentioned during Crisis on Earth X that he fought Superman, in the future and now I'm going far too deep down this rabbit hole.

Well I think it’s very possible that Earth 1s Krypton didn’t explode.

Reverse Flash did say that but remember we know from Crisis on Earth X that he can cross into different Earth’s so I just figured that he fought Superman on Earth 38.

 

[Thome216]

Well I think it’s very possible that Earth 1s Krypton didn’t explode.

Reverse Flash did say that but remember we know from Crisis on Earth X that he can cross into different Earth’s so I just figured that he fought Superman on Earth 38.

That's what I'm thinking. It's possible Alura won in the E1 universe and so Krypton was not destroyed. Thus no Kal-el or Kara on E1. Or any other aliens, unless they are all in hiding...

Which makes me think, it would be a cool story arc if Kara and Clark somehow made to the Earth1 Krypton,and had to defeat Alura and Non to free it. Which could introduce us to an older Kara who could come back to Earth as Powergirl! (just me fantasizing now...)

*sigh* The route that makes the least amount of sense with what they've established. I'm not even a little surprised.

I'm hoping it's a case of Batman being too wounded to continue the fight, and taking three years to find and train a new protege. Batwoman.

 

[NotNickFury]

If that's the case, then I guess Dick, Tim, and Barbara all failed the protege test in this universe, then?

 

[Thome216]

Who knows yet? Maybe Robin and Batgirl died in whatever event that made Batman disappear? Maybe they won't even be there? Guess we'll find out though!

 

[Boy Scout]

They’d be crazy not to introduce a Robin or two on that show (assuming they’re allowed).

 

[BH/HHH]

I think Gotham has to end first but with there been two Robin’s on Titans I reckon they may not have Robin on the DCCW aswell.

 

[Flash525]

Pretty sure the Batwoman show isn't going to introduce any Robins, or any other Gotham hero, at least not in it's first season. One would think though that they'd need too eventually; we surely can't have an entire show set in Gotham with but one Gotham hero. Bruce Wayne will likely make an appearance into the second season, but we may be waiting a while on Batman.

There’s precedent for duplicate versions of the same/similar characters existing in the “multiverse.” E.g., the Flash, Laurel Lance, etc. But so far, (methinks?) these doubles have all originated on the lesser-known “Earths” - which aren’t the setting for any current series.* Whereas, (methinks?) our featured Earths 1 and 38 have been consistent with the non-duplication of characters. E.g., there is no Flash or GA on Earth 38; there is no Supergirl or Superman on Earth 1. So two “Batmans” would be sorta novel. Though… if there are no plans for either version of Batman to appear on either version of Earth (because of Reasons), then perhaps the point is moot.

* Black Lightning = ?

Though "World's Finest" did reveal that there's at least a Central City on Earth-38, but no S.T.A.R. Labs. So yeah, sounds like with the main Earths there are no duplicate characters, but maybe on Kara's world, she and Clark are the only superheroes around as of now. Plus Clark's "friend," yeah. So maybe Earth-38 versions of Barry, Oliver, and so on aren't around yet, like how there are no Kryptonians on Earth-1...maybe.

Maybe Ollie and Barry do exist on Earth-38, but they're simply nobodies? Earth 38's Ollie and Barry would be just as relevant to Earth 2's Barry?

But then Reverse Flash mentioned during Crisis on Earth X that he fought Superman, in the future and now I'm going far too deep down this rabbit hole.

Reverse Flash did say that but remember we know from Crisis on Earth X that he can cross into different Earth’s so I just figured that he fought Superman on Earth 38.

Maybe (in the future) Earth 38's Superman travels to Earth-1 for some reason, and they do battle there? We know (from Nora) that Supergirl attempts to stop Cicada, and we also know she's present when Barry disappears, maybe Superman is around too? Maybe that's when Eobard fights him?

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[Thome216]

I would hope we do see both versions of Batman/Wayne in Batwoman, but I would hope they would give it a season at least for her to settle in place. Also with any Robins or Batgirl. It would be weird not to have at least some of the Batfamily present in some form or other.

 

[Boy Scout]

Pretty sure the Batwoman show isn't going to introduce any Robins, or any other Gotham hero, at least not in it's first season.

You never know. They introduced Roy in season one of Arrow. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Tim Drake make an appearance in the latter half of the season.

One would think though that they'd need too eventually; we surely can't have an entire show set in Gotham with but one Gotham hero. Bruce Wayne will likely make an appearance into the second season, but we may be waiting a while on Batman.

I thought that earlier too. Batman is off limits, but the rules might be a little more flexible for Bruce Wayne.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm not sure how off-limits Batman will be once Gotham is off the air. Heck, maybe Titans and Batwoman can split some part-time Batman appearances, lol.

 

[Herolee10]

You never know. They introduced Roy in season one of Arrow. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Tim Drake make an appearance in the latter half of the season.



I thought that earlier too. Batman is off limits, but the rules might be a little more flexible for Bruce Wayne.

1. Roy is a canon side-kick/partner to Oliver's Green Arrow persona, {aka the lead of the show). None of the Robins are closely affiliated with Batwoman's character as far as I'm aware of, let alone are known to have been partners on the field with her like Green Arrow and Arsenal are in the comics.

2. Honestly, unless Bruce is physically paralyzed or secretly in a coma, it would be hard to present his character in the present time without giving a believable reason as to why he is no longer Batman. In the original "Birds of Prey" TV Series that had aired in the WB television network, they stated that Bruce gave up being Batman because he was "heartbroken" over Selina's death. Needless to say, a lot of fans had issues with that reason as they found it out of character for Batman to give up being Gotham's protector because his former love was murdered. And plus, once Batman shows up, there's a good chance that more people will be interested in him having a show instead of Batwoman.

 

[flickchick85]

And plus, once Batman shows up, there's a good chance that more people will be interested in him having a show instead of Batwoman.

This is gonna be the case no matter what. It's the same thing with Supergirl/Superman. But her show has survived it, and Batwoman's could too.

 

[Herolee10]

This is gonna be the case no matter what. It's the same thing with Supergirl/Superman. But her show has survived it, and Batwoman's could too.

Well that's really going to depend on how popular/successful Batwoman ends up being as a TV Series imho.

Melissa's portrayal and most of her supporting cast are the biggest reasons for why I believe this show has amassed the number of fans that it has. If Batwoman's show can't replicate that magic then I don't see her lasting long on TV, even if it is the CW Network. Plus, I've read on how quite a few people are already turned off from how the show might be more of a SJW themed show under the guise of a comic book series.

And as much as I hate admitting this, Batman is a far more popular character than Superman, thus the demand for him could end up being stronger in his case than it was for Superman's character.

 

[flickchick85]

Well that's really going to depend on how popular/successful Batwoman ends up being as a TV Series imho.

Obviously, lol. The show has to be good enough to succeed on its own regardless. The "Batman factor" is a non-factor at the end of the day if people dig what Batwoman has to offer. If they don't, then oh well, it would have failed anyway. Either way, there will always be people crying about the absence of Batman. That was a given from the moment the show was announced.

 

[Thome216]

We'll need a scene with a hospital bed and a pair of black boots, just in frame...

 

[Boy Scout]

1. Roy is a canon side-kick/partner to Oliver's Green Arrow persona, {aka the lead of the show). None of the Robins are closely affiliated with Batwoman's character as far as I'm aware of, let alone are known to have been partners on the field with her like Green Arrow and Arsenal are in the comics.

Within the context of the series, it won’t make a difference. Batwoman will be the de facto Batman of Gotham City. There’s nothing about the current situation that precludes her from working alongside other members of the Batfamily.

2. Honestly, unless Bruce is physically paralyzed or secretly in a coma, it would be hard to present his character in the present time without giving a believable reason as to why he is no longer Batman.

I’m sure they can find a reason.