Supergirl Supergirl General Discussion Thread - Part 7

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Been watching SG on Netflix. About 8 episodes in. I thought it would suck. It doesn't suck. Hmmm...

Disclaimer: That doesn't mean it's AWESOME either.
 
BlueLanternKal said:
Been watching SG on Netflix. About 8 episodes in. I thought it would suck. It doesn't suck. Hmmm...

Disclaimer: That doesn't mean it's AWESOME either.
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FWIW, 8 episodes in is exactly where I thought it started getting better.
 
When the I saw episode Human For A Day that's when I think it knew what show it was. The episodes before that were a little uneven but still decent. Livewire was especially fun but Human For A Day is when I thought the show found itself.
 
flickchick85 said:
FWIW, 8 episodes in is exactly where I thought it started getting better.
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People keep saying this. But for me "How Does She Do It?" was awesome. She saved a building. She saved a train. How is that not awesome? Really, I liked some of the early episodes more than some of the later ones.
 
Osiris-Rex said:
People keep saying this. But for me "How Does She Do It?" was awesome. She saved a building. She saved a train. How is that not awesome?
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I agree, that's my favorite of those early eps. But it's kind of surrounded by subpar eps, imo, so I still feel like episode 8 is where it started to find it's footing because that was more like the beginning of a relatively consistent uptick in quality. Or maybe episode 7, but other than the big reveal I honestly wasn't as fond of "Human for a Day" as others seem to be. I HATED the love triangle stuff there more than in any episode, and was almost ready to write-off Winn as a character after that (thankfully I didn't, and grew to enjoy him). The drama there just seemed so forced to me. "Hostile Takeover" I felt was the one that got me really invested in the main character dynamics of the show, and it also started to feel a bit more serialized from there on, which is always a plus for me.
 
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I'm of the opinion that the show started off very good and only got better.
 
Episode 7 was definitely what got me to stick with the show. I thought it was a solid episode and then the twist at the end sold me. Adding J'onn J'onzz showed a commitment to DC continuity and added a sympathetic character. It made me think the show could be more than fluff. It helped that the episode itself was solid, but it was the cherry on top.
 
So...finally done with Supergirl. And verdict for me is good, but far from great.

I'll get the bad out of the way first: I don't care for any of the romantic subplots, nor do I feel that some of the drama on this show is earned. The sappiness displayed at times is what I'd expect from present-day Arrow, which is why the fan-dubbed 'Olicity' has really dragged that show down.

Lucy and Jimmy's relationship just felt like setup for Jimmy to ship off with Kara, but between that and Winn kissing Kara- and then HIM brushing HER off- felt forced, given what the show had established of their bond. Anytime one character just happens to walk in on two others talking or kissing, or anytime Jimmy and Lucy have some disagreement, I'm either rolling my eyes or skipping the scene.

As for drama that's not earned, I'm more talking about Alex and J'onn keeping the secret about who killed Astra, as well as Alex going back and forth on J'onn using his powers, despite the risk. Yeah, J'onn has a reason to keep the secret of killing Astra at first, but Alex not saying it when she many chances is just the show drawing out the inevitable. And for what? A confession that Kara easily accepts after giving J'onn the cold shoulder for so long?

This may be a me thing, but I don't have patience for characters who don't just talk about their problems. Either Kara can flip her emotions on a dime, or Alex and J'onn don't give her enough credit in assuming that she'd be as angry at Alex as she was at J'onn. It was nice for them to be on good terms again, but the fact that Kara acts like such an A-hole to J'onn, and then softens when Alex sheds a few tears while admitting something she should have said earlier doesn't feel earned.

I'll be honest, based off that horrid first trailer for this show, I thought that Supergirl was going to be nothing but superhero sappiness, throw in a dash of girl power talk here, some musical cues near the end of an episode, and overall feeling like Superhero Dawson's Creek. I wasn't entirely wrong, but there's good in here.

I think the acting, minus the likes of Jimmy, Lucy, some of the villains, and Cat at times comes off as hammy, but I'd blame half of that on the performances and half on the writing. Benoist is at least a competent lead and makes much of her dialogue sound convincing, even when it's terrible.

I never thought I'd find myself caring about the likes of Maxwell Lord or Cat Grant when they both came off as major A-holes at the start and, somewhat, still do.

Though the highlight of the show for me had to be "Falling" because I enjoy watching heroes fight to prove themselves after some downfall. I enjoyed seeing Oliver show Star City that he's more than a vigilante, or Peggy Carter show the SSR that she's a worthy agent- even though Peggy should have already been seen as at least an equal, but that's another story.

"Falling" was what made me respect Cat Grant a bit. Sure, she's still insufferable at times and her celebrity name-dropping can be as annoying as Cisco dropping occasional geek trivia, but when she tells Supergirl that "You are not going to let me down," I see that Cat, despite her frigid exterior, does still believe in Supergirl, even when it's not just the plot calling for her to do so.

That drama felt real because we've seen Kara endure conflicts from every side, whether work or the DEO, but this gave her a chance to really vent, but also, like "Dawn of Justice," show the public what kind of person a Kryptonian could be if they chose not to be a savior, but embraced their power and just did as they pleased. And watching Kara try to earn that trust back after one little slip-up felt like a real arc. Like Clark in Superman II, she learns that she's held to a higher standard because she gives people hope.

To me, this was the high point of the series and the best example of emotional drama that felt earned and wasn't just there to let us explore Kara's bad side. Nothing before this was bad, but not all that memorable. "Falling" had real weight to it. It's a shame that it just took sixteen episodes for me to find a memorable one.

Otherwise, the show itself is decent enough. I would say it's marginally better than the first season of Legends of Tomorrow, but not than the first seasons of either Arrow or Flash. And the talks of feminism and being a woman aren't as well-written as on Agent Carter or treated with seriousness like on Jessica Jones. And the sappy, Dawson's Creek-esque moments are done much better on something like iZombie. Though part of that is I think Rose McIver is a better lead than Benoist, but that's neither here nor there.

And no, don't tell me I can't compare because Arrow and Flash were compared once The Flash series started proper, and even the Netflix Daredevil is compared to Arrow when the two are on completely different scales of quality. So yeah, Supergirl is just as fair game.

But at the end of the day, I'll gladly eat my hat and say that Supergirl isn't what the first trailer made it out to be. Benoist does bring that level of optimism that you get on The Flash. If you removed some of the Cat Corp scenes and the romantic subplots, I think Supergirl would be a much stronger show, but as is, I do walk away believing that a person can fly. When Supergirl is good, it's very good. But when the writing is bad, it's very bad. Here's hoping for a stronger, more consistent Season 2.
 
NotNickFury said:
If you removed some of the Cat Corp scenes and the romantic subplots, I think Supergirl would be a much stronger show... When Supergirl is good, it's very good. But when the writing is bad, it's very bad. Here's hoping for a stronger, more consistent Season 2.
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So, like every show that follows the Berlanti formula.
 
I'd compare it more to current Arrow, less so Season 1 of that or The Flash where the relationship stuff wasn't drawn out or felt forced. That's why Arrow is so weak right now, in my opinion. As far as The Flash goes, it's similar, though the only reason that's more tolerable is I buy Barry and Iris' chemistry, but I don't find Mehcad Brooks all that compelling. Seems a tad wooden at times.
 
Supergirl season 1 is much better than the most recent Arrow which was almost unwatchable, particularly with Felicity. And I don't find Barry and Iris have so much chemistry at all. Not that I find Mechad has so much chemistry with Melissa either.
 
Liked it from the start. Was it a little hit and miss? Yes. But it has only become better!

Bruce_Begins said:
I was really sad when they killed Amanda Waller in Arrow, what a waste of opportunity.
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The great thing about TV, one has to stay dead!
 
Dark Raven said:
Supergirl season 1 is much better than the most recent Arrow which was almost unwatchable, particularly with Felicity. And I don't find Barry and Iris have so much chemistry at all. Not that I find Mechad has so much chemistry with Melissa either.
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Honestly I thought that last third or so of season 2 of Flash improved the Barry/Iris relationship quite a bit, I do at least think that Gustin and Patton while their chemistry on screen hasn't always been great has been much stronger the Mehcad and Melissa, where there's seemingly just none to be found, but at least the Kara/Jimmy/Lucy triangle never became the A-plot like Olicity did on several occasions, notably some of the final episodes where they really didn't have time for shipper pandering but did it anyways, Supergirl is leaps and bounds ahead of where Arrow is for me, it did the opposite of season 4 of Arrow, Supergirl got better as the season progressed, while season 4 of Arrow got worse, particularly the last third of season 4, Supergirl hasn't made me want to throw my remote through the screen, and hopefully it never will.
 
My Arrowverse show/season rankings

Flash Season 1
Flash Season 2

Arrow Season 2
Arrow Season 1

90s Flash
Supergirl Season 1
Vixen Season 1

Legends of Tomorrow Season 1
Constantine


Arrow Season 4
Arrow Season 3
 
I don't ever want to see a plot where Kara's powers are somehow transferred to Felicity and then she gets to be Supergirl for a day.
 
Didn't watch a single episode during its broadcast run, but it'll be easy to burn through the first season on Netflix. Maybe I'll tackle it this week.
 
BH/HHH said:
When the I saw episode Human For A Day that's when I think it knew what show it was. The episodes before that were a little uneven but still decent. Livewire was especially fun but Human For A Day is when I thought the show found itself.
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Totally Agree...
 
I include "How Does She Do It" in that as well.

Episodes 2 and 3 were a little iffy.....4 - 5 much better and 6 on were great IMO, though I wasn't as big a fan of the Toyman and Bizarro episodes as some were.....

The acting however has been excellent from the start, far better than most I see on TV today.
 
I enjoy bits and pieces of this show but I don't understand how people can really "love" this show. It's very poorly done. These Berlanti shows need shorter seasons. And drop the SJW rhetoric, it's over the top.

This is a 5/10 show. the only cool thing is that we're getting live action versions of characters we know.
 
Not really what I was hoping for.... :(
 
Rorschach2012 said:
I enjoy bits and pieces of this show but I don't understand how people can really "love" this show. It's very poorly done. These Berlanti shows need shorter seasons. And drop the SJW rhetoric, it's over the top.

This is a 5/10 show. the only cool thing is that we're getting live action versions of characters we know.
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People will have different opinions, that is how some can love it, and some don't. You think it is poorly done, others just don't. :)
 
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