Superman Returns Superman's Posey Talks Kitty

[Oldguy]

I knew panic would set it. We don't know what she is going to end up doing. I think she will be more of a challenge to Lex than Eve T. was.

We all know that she won't be saving Superman in this one.

Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool."

KK won't be evil llike Lex, she'll have a change of heart between materialism and love, but she'll wake up in the end. Some how I don't think she's going to wake up to choose materialism. Oh no, she won't be saving Superman at all.

Showcase, I respect your level headed approach to this project, but I think you are letting the fan take over here. I want a great Superman movie too, but just because there is going to be a new movie in june doesn't automatically mean it's going to be great.

How am I so sure it's not going to be you ask yourself? It's not going to be a GREAT movie because it's going to be a complete rehash of StM. Sure some of the surface details have been updated, but this movie will share all the same mechanics and twists that made StM the movie it was.

KK is going to be E. Teschmacher, Luthor will be Hackman, Kumar will be Otis, and Routh will be Reeve. Sure their portrayals will be darker, grittier versions to fit in the the mean times of the 21st century, but not enough to distinguish this movie from anything other than a rehash of StM, because the WB and Singer are too chicken**** to create origional content.

CK will arrive from Krypton, be nurtured by Ma Kent, move to Metropolis, reunite with DP staff, reveal Superman presence to the world through super-feat, Luthor will be arroused from his hole in the ground, plot and scheme revenge, travel to FoS to get the means to destroy Superman, CK-LL-RP-J? love square weirdness will insue(your only source of innovation, yay) Luthor aquires means to enact plan, and does so, Superman attemps to intercede, gets depowered from kryptonite, KK has a change of heart, Superman repowered in time to save the day.

Oh wait, I forgot in this one Lex Luthor is raising a continent instead of sinking one, oh of course, how short sighted of me to not recognize such vibrant innovation.

SR is a vague remake, and as Bruce Lee said, nobody ever aquires a taste for diluted wine, means that only the basest of simpletons are going to be wowed by amazing special effects and walk out thinking this was a great movie.

Of course I could be wrong, I'll be here on July 1 to admit I was wrong if I am, but I ****ing doubt it. Most likely the thread is going to be titled I told you so...

 

[dark_b]

i have to agree with oldguy. maybe we are wrong. maybe there is something more of this movie. but if you look at it with the info we got now it looks like a remake.and dont get me wrong. it is not a remake movie. i am also happy that we are getting a new movei. i like a lot of stuff.
but i also got a feeling that singer is so obssesed with donners superman movie that he has to make everything a homage. well not everything but a lot. to much IMO.

 

[Showtime]

Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool."

KK won't be evil llike Lex, she'll have a change of heart between materialism and love, but she'll wake up in the end. Some how I don't think she's going to wake up to choose materialism. Oh no, she won't be saving Superman at all.

Showcase, I respect your level headed approach to this project, but I think you are letting the fan take over here. I want a great Superman movie too, but just because there is going to be a new movie in june doesn't automatically mean it's going to be great.

How am I so sure it's not going to be you ask yourself? It's not going to be a GREAT movie because it's going to be a complete rehash of StM. Sure some of the surface details have been updated, but this movie will share all the same mechanics and twists that made StM the movie it was.

KK is going to be E. Teschmacher, Luthor will be Hackman, Kumar will be Otis, and Routh will be Reeve. Sure their portrayals will be darker, grittier versions to fit in the the mean times of the 21st century, but not enough to distinguish this movie from anything other than a rehash of StM, because the WB and Singer are too chicken**** to create origional content.

CK will arrive from Krypton, be nurtured by Ma Kent, move to Metropolis, reunite with DP staff, reveal Superman presence to the world through super-feat, Luthor will be arroused from his hole in the ground, plot and scheme revenge, travel to FoS to get the means to destroy Superman, CK-LL-RP-J? love square weirdness will insue(your only source of innovation, yay) Luthor aquires means to enact plan, and does so, Superman attemps to intercede, gets depowered from kryptonite, KK has a change of heart, Superman repowered in time to save the day.

Oh wait, I forgot in this one Lex Luthor is raising a continent instead of sinking one, oh of course, how short sighted of me to not recognize such vibrant innovation.

SR is a vague remake, and as Bruce Lee said, nobody ever aquires a taste for diluted wine, means that only the basest of simpletons are going to be wowed by amazing special effects and walk out thinking this was a great movie.

Of course I could be wrong, I'll be here on July 1 to admit I was wrong if I am, but I ****ing doubt it. Most likely the thread is going to be titled I told you so...

Oldguy! I could kiss you. I love the Showcase nickname, I should have used that instead of Showtime. I didn't say the movie was going to be great, I just know a little bit more about the project than you do, and I know that Kitty is not going to be saving Superman.

Glad to see you back.

 

[Oldguy]

Oldguy! I could kiss you. I love the Showcase nickname, I should have used that instead of Showtime. I didn't say the movie was going to be great, I just know a little bit more about the project than you do, and I know that Kitty is not going to be saving Superman.

Glad to see you back.

LoL Showcase, honest mistake man. But the love is there bro, trust me. Yer in the know eh? Well I'll buy that fer a dollar, you are an exceptionally stand up guy, so you can have the benefit of my doubt fer sure.

KK not saving Superman aside, I am terribly worried that SR is going to be too much of an hommage for my tastes. This news about KK, well that she's not so evil and has a change of heart etc, is a scary red light going off fer me.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

well if its a homage movie... think of it as an updated version.

 

[Showtime]

LoL Showcase, honest mistake man. But the love is there bro, trust me. Yer in the know eh? Well I'll buy that fer a dollar, you are an exceptionally stand up guy, so you can have the benefit of my doubt fer sure.

KK not saving Superman aside, I am terribly worried that SR is going to be too much of an hommage for my tastes. This news about KK, well that she's not so evil and has a change of heart etc, is a scary red light going off fer me.

In all honesty, I am not in the know whatsoever! I just happen to know that particular point for a fact, and that another character "saves" Superman. Of course I wouldn't bet my life on it, because I didn't see it with my own eyes.

I am not as quick to judge, only because I can't fill in those pieces in the middle quite yet. I can see your concerns and I agreed that it has elements of an origin, Donner's origin, in a previous discussion we had months back.

I think the KK thing revolves more around her taking a stand against Lex, and turning into more of a Lois type character. If she is going to save anybody, it might actually be Lois herself.

 

[The Sage]

Never read those but i really don`t like Pre-crisis that much and i don`t read comics anymore. But i actually think thats stupid cause i don`t like the Luthor who loves humans or mankind. I like the Luthor who is greedy and wants more money. Why? Because thats the world we live nowadays.

You should read them, they're very good.

Lex Luthor, a villain who is just greedy and wants more money? I can see that being a motivation, but not the main one. Otherwise he'll be boring like a B-villain.

There has to be more to it. Think about Goldeneye's Alec Trevelyan. Yeah his scheme was almost like common bank robbery. However, it's more. It's revenge for his past, revenge for the betrayal of England. Not just money.

Lex has to be the same way. The billionnaire Lex's scheme can't be always be about money. Why? Because he already has a lot of it. I think Lex, no matter whether he's Pre-Crisis or Post-Crisis, wants something more. Despite feeling he's above everyone, he wants respect and reverance. He doesn't want anyone to be thought as being bigger than him. That's why Lex challenged Superman in STM. That's why he challenged him in SFAS. And that's why he'll challenge him in SR. He loves money, but he loves reputation more, and he can't stand it to have someone else higher than him.

"The Gods are selfish beings who fly around in red capes and don't share their power with mankind."

I love it in the cartoon, but not in a serious movie. I don`t understand the other mentions. Thats not Lex Luthor. I don`t think Luthor should be like Intergang or Metallo. Duh!

You said want Lex to just be greedy and want more money. Isn't that what Intergang wants? You also mentioned Lex having a gang that outright attacks Metropolis, which Metallo and Intergang have done.

 

[Octoberist]

I mean, why do an homage if you could do your own take on Superman?

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

hmm.. maybe they should have done something different..People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy and i can not do that as ROBOCOP,as a man i'm flesh and blood i can be ignored or desroyed..but as a cyborg..i could be incorruptable..everlasting..



To answer your question..yes iwould have still used the donner movies as a guide..

 

[The Sage]

Back to pre-crisis.Back to the stupid, 1 dimensional type.

You joking? Have you even read Elliott Maggin's stories with Lex Luthor in them? Very three-dimensional. Maggin's the guy who said Lex Luthor would've been the greatest scientist, millionnaire, or good guy if Superman had never shown up.

One-dimensional is a villain who's just greedy and wants money.

 

[The Sage]

LoL Showcase, honest mistake man. But the love is there bro, trust me. Yer in the know eh? Well I'll buy that fer a dollar, you are an exceptionally stand up guy, so you can have the benefit of my doubt fer sure.

KK not saving Superman aside, I am terribly worried that SR is going to be too much of an hommage for my tastes. This news about KK, well that she's not so evil and has a change of heart etc, is a scary red light going off fer me.

Hey man! What's up? Still reading All-Star Superman?

 

[green]

I mean, why do an homage if you could do your own take on Superman?

You mean one where Krypton doesn't explode, Luthor is Kryptonian, the suit comes in a can and Jimmy is gay?


I'll take the homage.

 

[Showtime]

I think alot of you have to remember that we don't know the "entire" story. We can't find out if it is a good or bad movie until we actually see it. It has nothing with me trying to "champion" the movie because it's Superman or some weird loyalty to Brian Singer.

I want all the facts spread in front of me before I judge something. I don't want to try to piece together a storyline by filling in the blanks and then fret or jump for joy over it. I try my best to stay down the middle

I just appreciate movies in general. I am more a movie fan than I am a Superman fan any day of the week.

 

[Showtime]

hmm.. maybe they should have done something different..People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy and i can not do that as ROBOCOP,as a man i'm flesh and blood i can be ignored or desroyed..but as a cyborg..i could be incorruptable..everlasting..



To answer your question..yes iwould have still used the donner movies as a guide..

I wouldn't have. I had a whole story that I would have ran with if I was given a chance (HA HA).

 

[MatchesMalone]

Posey said. "He wants to destroy the world, and she doesn't want to," she said. "She [has] much more conscience about the world around her. She is into pretty things and money, but Kitty has a heart. And, yes, she has a change of heart. ... She is torn between materialism and love, but Kitty kind of wakes up. It's cool."

KK won't be evil llike Lex, she'll have a change of heart between materialism and love, but she'll wake up in the end. Some how I don't think she's going to wake up to choose materialism. Oh no, she won't be saving Superman at all.

Showcase, I respect your level headed approach to this project, but I think you are letting the fan take over here. I want a great Superman movie too, but just because there is going to be a new movie in june doesn't automatically mean it's going to be great.

How am I so sure it's not going to be you ask yourself? It's not going to be a GREAT movie because it's going to be a complete rehash of StM. Sure some of the surface details have been updated, but this movie will share all the same mechanics and twists that made StM the movie it was.

KK is going to be E. Teschmacher, Luthor will be Hackman, Kumar will be Otis, and Routh will be Reeve. Sure their portrayals will be darker, grittier versions to fit in the the mean times of the 21st century, but not enough to distinguish this movie from anything other than a rehash of StM, because the WB and Singer are too chicken**** to create origional content.

CK will arrive from Krypton, be nurtured by Ma Kent, move to Metropolis, reunite with DP staff, reveal Superman presence to the world through super-feat, Luthor will be arroused from his hole in the ground, plot and scheme revenge, travel to FoS to get the means to destroy Superman, CK-LL-RP-J? love square weirdness will insue(your only source of innovation, yay) Luthor aquires means to enact plan, and does so, Superman attemps to intercede, gets depowered from kryptonite, KK has a change of heart, Superman repowered in time to save the day.

Oh wait, I forgot in this one Lex Luthor is raising a continent instead of sinking one, oh of course, how short sighted of me to not recognize such vibrant innovation.

SR is a vague remake, and as Bruce Lee said, nobody ever aquires a taste for diluted wine, means that only the basest of simpletons are going to be wowed by amazing special effects and walk out thinking this was a great movie.

Of course I could be wrong, I'll be here on July 1 to admit I was wrong if I am, but I ****ing doubt it. Most likely the thread is going to be titled I told you so...

You say that as if it is some kind of horrible, horrible thing. To me it is not. Sorry you'll be disappointed. Kinda.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^

with polar bear protecters...and a giant spider.

 

[Octoberist]

honestly, either way I look at it, i'm still worried about Kitty.

I'm all for light humor, but I'll be dissapointed if there's blanant slapstick (Otis moving the ladder while Lex is still hanging on, Ottis messing up the codes for the missles). It worked back then, but not now in this post- Batman & Robin world.

 

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

^^^

thats not going to happen..its not in singers style.

 

[MatchesMalone]

honestly, either way I look at it, i'm still worried about Kitty.

I'm all for light humor, but I'll be dissapointed if there's blanant slapstick (Otis moving the ladder while Lex is still hanging on, Ottis messing up the codes for the missles). It worked back then, but not now in this post- Batman & Robin world.

Oh, please. I call bull**** on that. Funny is funny, and Batman and Robin has nothing to do with it.

I guess The Incredibles did horribly, then? That was as real a super-hero story as any I've ever seen.

 

[Octoberist]

Oh please. The Incredibles worked fine.

I'm just saying IF and ONLY IF Singer went for the same slapstick humor that Donner had in his movies, it may or may not work for this movie.

I know that you're a fan of Luthor and his cronies (i'm not) so I can't win. I still love Superman: The Movie, but to me, the villians were the weakest links.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

Maybe Superman gets his cape stuck in a door and can't fly away at first? Haha

 

[lujho]

Superman 3 didn't have Lex Luthor in it.

Yes it did, it's just that his name was different and Gene Hackman didn't play him. I'd be very surprised if the role wasn't originally written as Luthor and changed for some reason involving Hackman.

 

[Metropolis_Man]

Yes it did, it's just that his name was different and Gene Hackman didn't play him. I'd be very surprised if the role wasn't originally written as Luthor and changed for some reason involving Hackman.

Agreed it was just more of the LexCorp type Luthor. I wouldnt doubt either if it was written for Hackman and he decided not to do the third movie.

 

[SuperDaniel]

Thats what i think too, Oldguy. Superman Returns is a disguised Superman the movie. And that`s what i`m afraid of. But i think there will be some nice moments like Superman returning to Krypton. Thats something new. I hope they focus a lot in the "World Without Superman" theme, not just some flashbacks or newspaper headlines. I wanna see the lack of hope and Superman restauring it by the end of the movie. If this thing doesnt work, the movie will be such a disappointment...

 

[Showtime]

He'll be returning before the end of it.