Superman's Role in Justice League

[Marz69]

Superman doesn't NEED to sit out most of the film. There's a way to involve him in the story without undercutting Batman's mission to assemble a team in a Superman-less world. And I'll give you a hint on how to make it work: For The Man Who Has Everything.

As Superman "recovers" (we know he's not dead from the end of BvS), he's in a dreamlike state and is reflecting on his life and the man he wants to be if and when he comes back. This is what he's experiencing in the first half of the movie. In the second half, he physically comes back and leads the team to victory.

That's how you build his character and give him something to do while he's "dead."

That is what I am hoping for. I want to see some kind of conflict between his imagined world and where he really needs to be. So him having a son would work well imo

 

[Herolee10]

Based on Snyder's comments in some of the recent interviews, it definitely suggests that we won't be seeing Superman on screen for quite awhile, let alone interacting much with the league.

If BvS was a strong indication, Superman probably won't have any real interaction with the other heroes. He only exchanged like one line with Wonder Woman, who had mainly interacted with Batman.

Despite technically being in a shared universe, it doesn't ever really feel like Superman is a part of it outside of his scenes with Batman since Snyder keeps putting him in the corner.

And the possibility of him coming back evil hasn't been completely wiped out as of yet. I don't expect to see a real justice league film until it's sequel arrives, where we will hopefully have a new director and where superman isn't dead at the start of the film.

 

[ZackBop]

Based on Snyder's comments in some of the recent interviews, it definitely suggests that we won't be seeing Superman on screen for quite awhile, let alone interacting much with the league.

If BvS was a strong indication, Superman probably won't have any real interaction with the other heroes. He only exchanged like one line with Wonder Woman, who had mainly interacted with Batman.

Despite technically being in a shared universe, it doesn't ever really feel like Superman is a part of it outside of his scenes with Batman since Snyder keeps putting him in the corner.

And the possibility of him coming back evil hasn't been completely wiped out as of yet. I don't expect to see a real justice league film until it's sequel arrives, where we will hopefully have a new director and where superman isn't dead at the start of the film.

I didn't see or hear anything that suggested that Superman won't have a large role to play in the movie. Just that he won't PHYSICALLY be back until later on. So I think (and hope) it's just a case of them wanting to keep his role under wraps.

But we all know he's coming back, so there's no point in pretending like he's actually dead. BvS tells us he's not.

 

[Boom]

Superman doesn't NEED to sit out most of the film. There's a way to involve him in the story without undercutting Batman's mission to assemble a team in a Superman-less world. And I'll give you a hint on how to make it work: For The Man Who Has Everything.

As Superman "recovers" (we know he's not dead from the end of BvS), he's in a dreamlike state and is reflecting on his life and the man he wants to be if and when he comes back. This is what he's experiencing in the first half of the movie. In the second half, he physically comes back and leads the team to victory.

That's how you build his character and give him something to do while he's "dead."

This is perfect.

Which means it won't happen. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's only in the film for the last twenty minutes as a glorified set piece.

 

[ZackBop]

That is what I am hoping for. I want to see some kind of conflict between his imagined world and where he really needs to be. So him having a son would work well imo

There's a number of things they could do. But whatever it is (if they even go this route), it should obviously end with him ready to come back to life and embrace his role as the world's savior.

 

[ZackBop]

This is perfect.

Which means it won't happen. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's only in the final twenty minutes of the film as a glorified set piece.

Yeah, I'm not convinced it will happen. But if they wanted to give Superman an awesome role in JL beyond just a deus ex machina who saves the day at the end, that's how you do it.

 

[Herolee10]

I didn't see or hear anything that suggested that Superman won't have a large role to play in the movie. Just that he won't PHYSICALLY be back until later on. So I think (and hope) it's just a case of them wanting to keep his role under wraps.

But we all know he's coming back, so there's no point in pretending like he's actually dead. BvS tells us he's not.

Justice League will already be busy with introducing the whole mythology behind the Mother Boxes, the new league members, and how Batman recruits them.

I really doubt that they will have any time to devote into showing superman spending his time in the afterlife.

Hell, it's very telling on how Superman isn't even mentioned as a member of the group in the officially released synopsis.

Superman isn't going to be a real member of this group until the sequel at the very earliest.

 

[Rowsdower!]

This is perfect.

Which means it won't happen. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's only in the final twenty minutes of the film as a glorified set piece.

You just gotta have faith.

 

[ZackBop]

Justice League will already be busy with introducing the whole mythology behind the Mother Boxes, the new league members, and how Batman recruits them.

I really doubt that they will have any time to devote into showing superman spending his time in the afterlife.

Hell, it's very telling on how Superman isn't even mentioned as a member of the group in the officially released synopsis.

Superman isn't going to be a real member of this group until the sequel at the very earliest.

If they did go this route, I don't think it'd be the main focus of the first half. But it'd be a plot thread that cues us in on what's going on with Superman while the world struggles without him.

And Superman isn't listed as a member of the team because the idea going into the movie is that he's dead (from the world's perspective). But we (the audience) know he's not.

Deb Snyder made it sound like the whole team is well aware that Superman needs to have a good role in this movie. She said it's not the Justice League without Superman.

And keep in mind, I'm not saying this WILL happen. I'm just saying that it's a good way to have Superman active in the story without undercutting Batman's mission of putting together the team in Superman's honor.

 

[Boom]

You just gotta have faith.

I can't, because we're dealing with a filmmaker that actively wanted to work Superman out of the Justice League's formation.

I love Batman more than any other character, but this simply does not sit right with me.

 

[ZackBop]

I can't, because we're dealing with a filmmaker that actively wanted to work Superman out of the Justice League's formation.

I love Batman more than any other character, but this simply does not sit right with me.

I kinda understand his reasoning behind that, and I'm okay with it as long as Superman is done "justice" in the movie. So I think this is a good way to involve him while still staying true to the idea that Batman NEEDS to put the team together (or whatever). Just hope Snyder is reading this!

 

[Rowsdower!]

I can't, because we're dealing with a filmmaker that actively wanted to work Superman out of the Justice League's formation.

I love Batman more than any other character, but this simply does not sit right with me.

I know, man. Same here. I was just joking. I know these reports over the past couple of days have gotten a lot of people excited, and maybe the film will do well for fans of the Flash, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Cyborg and Batman. But as Superman fan (Supes and Bats go back and forth as my favorite hero but I personally think Cavill's Superman is better than Affleck's Batman so I'm more on his side here), it bothers me that Supes might get shortchanged (again) in a film where he should be front and center. But maybe I'm just being "greedy" since as a Superman fan, I've been so SPOILED seeing him in one solo movie that half the fanbase hates and another movie where he totally got the shaft so Zack could prop up his new Batman.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I kinda understand his reasoning behind that, and I'm okay with it as long as Superman is done "justice" in the movie. So I think this is a good way to involve him while still staying true to the idea that Batman NEEDS to put the team together (or whatever). Just hope Snyder is reading this!

I have a feeling Snyder is like Trump. He doesn't read anything, he just "hears things."

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

Superman doesn't NEED to sit out most of the film. There's a way to involve him in the story without undercutting Batman's mission to assemble a team in a Superman-less world. And I'll give you a hint on how to make it work: For The Man Who Has Everything.

As Superman "recovers" (we know he's not dead from the end of BvS), he's in a dreamlike state and is reflecting on his life and the man he wants to be if and when he comes back. This is what he's experiencing in the first half of the movie. In the second half, he physically comes back and leads the team to victory.

That's how you build his character and give him something to do while he's "dead."

But there's no way to work awesome 'splosions into that so snyder will just cut it out. Well just have to assume the growth.

 

[Vaibow]

I think what it boils down to, is Zack has this great plan in his head, complete with great visuals, i bet if we were around a camp fire and he was selling us his vision of the universe we would be amazed and clapping, unfortunately its such a big scale, that the elements he chose to focus on, the majority probably would have preferred if he focused on something else or at least show his vision in a different way, if that makes sense.

And as an edit, i truly hope he means that 'superman' may not show until the end, but clark does appear early on and we see a different aspect, we see Clark not so much finding his place in the world, but working the strength back to be who he is. We see Clark be heroic, then we see Superman in all his glory.

 

[Herolee10]

If they did go this route, I don't think it'd be the main focus of the first half. But it'd be a plot thread that cues us in on what's going on with Superman while the world struggles without him.

And Superman isn't listed as a member of the team because the idea going into the movie is that he's dead (from the world's perspective). But we (the audience) know he's not.

Deb Snyder made it sound like the whole team is well aware that Superman needs to have a good role in this movie. She said it's not the Justice League without Superman.

And keep in mind, I'm not saying this WILL happen. I'm just saying that it's a good way to have Superman active in the story without undercutting Batman's mission of putting together the team in Superman's honor.

I honestly wish that I could have faith that they will do things right this time but their track record makes it impossible to do so.

Realistically, the Best case scenario here would be us getting a Vision/AOU scenario where Superman is revived right before the final battle.

But I'm not expecting Snyder to do well on this. Sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday was supposed to be Superman's big moment in BvS, but most people ended up talking about how awesome Wonder Woman was in that sequence instead. I don't recall hearing anyone talk on how great superman came off in that sequence.

Snyder only knows how to use Superman as a plot device to move characters forward. Batman was the one that helped inspire Wonder Woman to become active again. Batman is also going to be the one that finds and creates the Justice League as well. There's no realistic basis to believe that Superman's return will inspire anyone in this film.

 

[AnneFan]

This is perfect.

Which means it won't happen. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he's only in the film for the last twenty minutes as a glorified set piece.

I wouldn't rule it out. Snyder likes his dream sequences.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[matt47]

awhhhhhhhhh

 

[Herolee10]

ZACK SNYDER: (Whispering into Henry's ear) "This is your first and last DC film as the main lead"

 

[kguillou]

I have faith, I think Zack knows what hes doing and Superman's arc will be the core of this film and he will be well serviced.

Also, with all these plots going on, I dont see how this film can be any shorter than 2h 45 mins, if not 3 hours long.

 

[matt47]

I have faith, I think Zack knows what hes doing and Superman's arc will be the core of this film and he will be well serviced.

Also, with all these plots going on, I dont see how this film can be any shorter than 2h 45 mins, if not 3 hours long.

****. I really don't want another **** storm.

 

[_Superman_]

While I am not happy with the amount of screen time Superman may get I just hope he is done well and gets the treatment he and we the (Superman fans) deserve. That's all I can hope for.

 

[ZackBop]

I honestly wish that I could have faith that they will do things right this time but their track record makes it impossible to do so.

Realistically, the Best case scenario here would be us getting a Vision/AOU scenario where Superman is revived right before the final battle.

But I'm not expecting Snyder to do well on this. Sacrificing himself to kill Doomsday was supposed to be Superman's big moment in BvS, but most people ended up talking about how awesome Wonder Woman was in that sequence instead. I don't recall hearing anyone talk on how great superman came off in that sequence.

Snyder only knows how to use Superman as a plot device to move characters forward. Batman was the one that helped inspire Wonder Woman to become active again. Batman is also going to be the one that finds and creates the Justice League as well. There's no realistic basis to believe that Superman's return will inspire anyone in this film.

I wouldn't say that's the "best case" scenario. It could happen that way, but it's not guaranteed. Truthfully, we don't know what's going to happen.

 

[ZackBop]

Here's why they SHOULD go the "For The Man Who Has Everything" route prior to Superman's return:

The fact of the matter is that a lot of people still aren't sold on this version of Superman, even after his heroic sacrifice in BvS. If Snyder is just expecting everyone to be "happy" with his version of Superman returning at the end to save the day, I think he's sorely mistaken.

However, if you can get people used to the idea that we're getting a new version of Superman when he returns (the more classic version), then his PHYSICAL return at the end will be far more triumphant. You need to prepare people for that.

And in doing that, you'll please everyone (in theory). So show us Superman's mental state while Batman puts together the team in a Superman-less world. Let him reflect on the man he was and the man he wants to be. And then triumphantly bring Superman back as the character that everyone wants to see.