The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk)

[Solidus]

The actors and reviewers even mentioned this. He takes a story that is VERY hard to tell and does it brilliantly. The reason people are freaking out is because they are trying to imagine the ending in their head. But the problem is, they don't have the talent and vision of Nolan that makes it work. Therefore, in their head it seems stupid.

I agree, I've said every time people were in this same state when they heard on paper that Two-Face is killed and Batman takes the fall for all his crimes. People were not happy.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

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INT. COFFEE SHOP - DAY (Summer 2008)

GOYER
Dude! I just came up with the perfect ending for the trilogy!

NOLAN
I'm listening...

GOYER
......a montage. It has to include a woman and Bruce at a cafe in Italy and another character that's not Bruce gets the batsuit.

Nolan nods.

NOLAN
F***ing A.

GOYER
Lump in my throat. Can't wait for the standing ovations.

Fixed

 

[kvz5]

Some comics are good or great, but many more are crap.

I agree. So I can't think of something as automatically good just because it was taken straight from the comics.

 

[Solidus]

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Bruce was like fifty something years old in Batman Beyond when he finally threw in the towel and stopped being Batman. He also did it because he physically couldn't do it any more. He had a heart attack and was nearly killed in the field. Bruce is in his late 30's in this. It's not quite the same now is it.

Eh, it sounds like in this, Bruce has a reason for quitting, and it fits in the context.

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In Comics and Cartoons they want to keep the series going on and on and on. Yes the reason is different, but the point is the symbol carries on regardless, that Bruce does not always have to be the symbol.

Like I said above this is a different medium, and finally someone is going into depth about the end of Bruce's journey, cartoons and comics don't like to do that because they want to continue to make them for a long extended time. Nolan has the balls to tell the beginning middle and end of a man. And with three films you can only do so much. You can't have it where he spends 30 years fighting crime ect and having a million movies in between, that lessens the impact and waters it down.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I doubt WB is going to [blackout]be making any spinoffs with JGL's character as Batman[/blackout] so this rumored ending is fine with me. I see nothing to get upset about.

 

[redbirds]

I agree. So I can't think of something as automatically good just because it was taken straight from the comics.

Well, I am not necessarily saying this. But the thing is, it is all about how you tell the story and make it work in context. You can have a great story and then have a director screw it up and make it look horrible. You can also have a difficult, controversial story and have a director tell it brilliantly. It is all in execution.

 

[jd63213]

I have to say again that I think 95% of the people who don't like this ending fall into a handful of categories:

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1. People who don't understand that this will work better in the movie, once we have seen Blake in action for three hours. He's a stranger right now, of course people are upset at seeing him take on a familiar role.

2. People who are just upset that they found out the ending. I did the same thing, when I heard this a few days ago I lashed out with everyone else, I now realize this is a great ending, and I was just mad that I had spoiled myself.

3. People who think it will not be Bruce-centric enough. These people also fit into the first category, you don't know how it will reflect on Bruce until we see how it works in the film.

Also, has it really been confirmed that a Batsuit rises out of the ground, or could it be a different version of the suit? Because I think a lot of the people who are mad would be happier if it was something like the two on the right:

http://tvandlust.net/images/robins.jpg

 

[Solidus]

Fixed

You do know there were standing ovations and people were blown away by the ending? I know your trying to be sarcastic but those are the facts so far.

 

[Cannikin]

WB has some people monitoring these forums. If something of a substantial leak occurs, it would be wiped (via complaint). They've done this before, even since the Batman Begins days.

They better be quicker with the refresh button than I am.

 

[Solidus]

I agree. So I can't think of something as automatically good just because it was taken straight from the comics.

How about when a great film maker makes his own interpretation on it? Like he has with many of the things in the comics, and apparently is being praised for it for doing it with this film?

 

[Rogzilla]

Let me point out how lack of context can ruin an ending:

Casablanca:

Guy and his ex girlfriend almost get back together, but she gets on a plane and leaves him behind.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I have to say again that I think 95% of the people who don't like this ending fall into a handful of categories:

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1. People who don't understand that this will work better in the movie, once we have seen Blake in action for three hours. He's a stranger right now, of course people are upset at seeing him take on a familiar role.

2. People who are just upset that they found out the ending. I did the same thing, when I heard this a few days ago I lashed out with everyone else, I now realize this is a great ending, and I was just mad that I had spoiled myself.

3. People who think it will not be Bruce-centric enough. These people also fit into the first category, you don't know how it will reflect on Bruce until we see how it works in the film.

Also, has it really been confirmed that a Batsuit rises out of the ground, or could it be a different version of the suit? Because I think a lot of the people who are mad would be happier if it was something like the two on the right:

http://tvandlust.net/images/robins.jpg

One more category since I happen to fit in this one:

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People who only accept Bruce Wayne as Batman. There are no replacements. If they want to have him inspire someone to dress up in their own costume and name themselves something else, fine. But they are not and will not ever be accepted as Batman in my eyes.

 

[kvz5]

How about when a great film maker makes his own interpretation on it? Like he has with many of the things in the comics, and apparently is being praised for it for doing it with this film?

I haven't seen the movie yet to judge on my own. I'm just saying that having something derived from the comics is not reason enough for something to be automatically good.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The supposed ending also doesn't violate what Batman is in this series

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A symbol; more than mere flesh and blood, these notions uttered by Bruce himself as he seriously thought about doing something extraordinary for the first time. Just like Batman will outlive Nolan's version of the character on the big screen, the Batman of his world will long outlive it's progenitor. This all quite consistent with these films' philosophy.

 

[LecheNinyo]

Let me point out how lack of context can ruin an ending:

Casablanca:

Guy and his ex girlfriend almost get back together, but she gets on a plane and leaves him behind.

this may not be a good example but then for myself since i love The Inception

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spinning top

people think it's a tease but for me the ending was definitive. it's not even open to interpretation IMO

 

[DoomsdayApex]

After a cynical morning, I'd lying if I said apart of me isn't excited to see how Nolan is going pull off this awful ending. I mean, critics are praising the hell out of it (a few of them are self-professed Batman fans), right? I'm more desperate than ever to see the ending now.

 

[Solidus]

One more category since I happen to fit in this one:

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People who only accept Bruce Wayne as Batman. There are no replacements. If they want to have him inspire someone to dress up in their own costume and name themselves something else, fine. But they are not and will not ever be accepted as Batman in my eyes.

And even from the supposed ending...

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How the hell do you know he will become "Batman" in name? Like some of these same rumors are saying his middle name is Robin. So if that is true, then it is clear he won't be Batman, but is taking upon himself the symbol to continue to fight for crime, or Nightwing whatever. It does not mean that he will become Batman. Even if he did it's not a big deal to me It happened in Beyond. And was done pretty well. Unless Blake screams out. "I"M BATMAN" at the end it can be open for interpretation if he follows in the same footsteps, but not necessarily takes on the same suit/name.

 

[mandisab]

Let me point out how lack of context can ruin an ending:

Casablanca:

Guy and his ex girlfriend almost get back together, but she gets on a plane and leaves him behind.

what about this one. cuban out of nothing becomes drug kingpin and gets killed at the end because of sister.

 

[redbirds]

One more category since I happen to fit in this one:

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People who only accept Bruce Wayne as Batman. There are no replacements. If they want to have him inspire someone to dress up in their own costume and name themselves something else, fine. But they are not and will not ever be accepted as Batman in my eyes.

Well good then,

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because I don't think Blake ever becomes batman in the movie.

but Bruce Waynes story does have to end. He either has to die or he has to retire from being batman permanently. There is literally no other way for it to conclude if his story is to end.

 

[Solidus]

The supposed ending also doesn't violate what Batman is in this series

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A symbol; more than mere flesh and blood, these notions uttered by Bruce himself as he seriously thought about doing something extraordinary for the first time. Just like Batman will outlive Nolan's version of the character on the big screen, the Batman of his world will long outlive it's progenitor. This all quite consistent with these films' philosophy.

Agreed again. It's like I even said with the original creator Bob Kane, after he was done others came and gave their own interpretation to it's character. Batman will never die, he will morph evolve for the changing times, he will always be there. But not the same people will be him or work on him.

 

[redfirebird2008]

And even from the supposed ending...

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How the hell do you know he will become "Batman" in name? Like some of these same rumors are saying his middle name is Robin. So if that is true, then it is clear he won't be Batman, but is taking upon himself the symbol to continue to fight for crime, or Nightwing whatever. It does not mean that he will become Batman. Even if he did it's not a big deal to me It happened in Beyond. And was done pretty well. Unless Blake screams out. "I"M BATMAN" at the end it can be open for interpretation if he follows in the same footsteps, but not necessarily takes on the same suit/name.

That's the only way I'll be able to accept it. If it's strongly implied that [BLACKOUT]he's going to become Batman, I'll be pretty disappointed. If it implies Robin or Nightwing, that's fine by me. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[redbirds]

And even from the supposed ending...

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How the hell do you know he will become "Batman" in name? Like some of these same rumors are saying his middle name is Robin. So if that is true, then it is clear he won't be Batman, but is taking upon himself the symbol to continue to fight for crime, or Nightwing whatever. It does not mean that he will become Batman. Even if he did it's not a big deal to me It happened in Beyond. And was done pretty well. Unless Blake screams out. "I"M BATMAN" at the end it can be open for interpretation if he follows in the same footsteps, but not necessarily takes on the same suit/name.

Exactly, it could just be

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symbolism suggesting he becomes another watchful protector over gotham. It doesn't mean he becomes batman. Perhaps Blake would have his own symbol. A symbol unique to him, just as batman is unique to bruce wayne. The more I think about it, the more similar to the inception ending it sounds. people will debate this forever after seeing it. And Nolan has proven he loves those types of subtle endings (e.g., does the top stop spinning?)

 

[The Batman]

I gotta say...

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Not a fan of "Bruce/Selina run off together idea", but am willing to see how the John Blake thing pans out onscreen

'

 

[Solidus]

That's the only way I'll be able to accept it. If it's strongly implied that [BLACKOUT]he's going to become Batman, I'll be pretty disappointed. If it implies Robin or Nightwing, that's fine by me. [/BLACKOUT]

Interesting. Well we will see in 6 days. If the scene plays out like :

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Him just finding the suit, that does not mean he will become Batman, It will for sure as some have said it will be open for interpretation like Inception. So if some don't want to believe he will become Batman, he does not have to and vice versa.

 

[ImAlwaysAngry]

I figure I may leave the thread a while. No offense, but this handwringing is oddly both stress inducing and totally boring at once.

It's one thing to discuss spoilers. It's another thing to have a fit about something we've never seen.

I mean, you've read my posts. I think Bruce should be Batman forever and ever and ever amen.

But I'm not gonna freak if the movie goes its own way. It's belongs only to itself, and everything I have seen leads me to believe it will be a strong finale to a great take on the character.

I don't know why we can't just shoot the breeze about how it might play out instead of prejudging it so rabidly.