The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk)

[kvz5]

That and all the reviews praise the ending above all else. I swear people on the internet "over-react" remember last summer? When we heard Bane's voice, saw Catwoman ect, everyone was like the project is DOOOOOMED!!!

People need to learn to take it back a notch. Every person has said this film is epic, and the ending is the best part. I think some of you are already not going in with a clear mind, but deciding before hand if you don't like it or not. Let Nolan tell his story then decide. Though honestly I think many have decided.

I'm personally keeping an open mind and I think most here are doing that as well.

 

[Ferd]

It's clearly done as a nod and I think there's more to it.

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Like maybe Alfred getting a plane ticket or a note from an unknown source and that's how he got to exactly where Bruce and Selina is. They've done a great job establishing Alfred and Bruce's relationship that I can't see them doing something where it will come off that Bruce intentionally left Alfred out when the old man has been his one constant support.

Something along the lines of this is what I'm hoping to see. I don't see Nolan dropping the ball since he's handled their relationship perfectly in the previous films.

 

[kvz5]

Something along the lines of this is what I'm hoping to see. I don't see Nolan dropping the ball since he's handled their relationship perfectly in the previous films.

Yup. *fingers crossed*

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Q: [blackout]Do we see Bruce Wayne's grave in the film?[/blackout]

A:

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We see Bruce Wayne's grave stone next to his mother and fathers on the grounds of Wayne Manor. You can find pics of the cemetery from when they were filming in England at the mansion.

 

[Ferd]

Q: [blackout]Do we see Bruce Wayne's grave in the film?[/blackout]

A:

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Even if it's not real, it will still break me a bit.

 

[kvz5]

Q: [blackout]Do we see Bruce Wayne's grave in the film?[/blackout]

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I remember a very vague answer about that from scoop or theshape .

 

[lililatigresse]

That and all the reviews praise the ending above all else. I swear people on the internet "over-react" remember last summer? When we heard Bane's voice, saw Catwoman ect, everyone was like the project is DOOOOOMED!!!

People need to learn to take it back a notch. Every person has said this film is epic, and the ending is the best part. I think some of you are already not going in with a clear mind, but deciding before hand if you don't like it or not. Let Nolan tell his story then decide. Though honestly I think many have decided.

The thing is, while I think the GA will probably love this ending, thinking about some heated debates we had here, I doubt it will be the same thing with the fanboys.

Anyway, I absolutely hate everything about this ending, everything, but I'm not having a meltdown, I'm calm about it, I will see the film (although I have now given up seeing it in Imax) and I might even like the end after all.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

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i remember a very vague answer about that from scoop or theshape .

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q:

is there a scene at his parents' grave?

a:

his parent's graves are in the film.

 

[Ferd]

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q:

a:

If I'm not mistaken, his first response was "sort of" and then a day or two later gave a more concrete confirmation on that bit. FWIW.

 

[StianSteel]

It's clearly done as a nod and I think there's more to it.

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Like maybe Alfred getting a plane ticket or a note from an unknown source and that's how he got to exactly where Bruce and Selina is. They've done a great job establishing Alfred and Bruce's relationship that I can't see them doing something where it will come off that Bruce intentionally left Alfred out when the old man has been his one constant support.

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If this is part of the ending, then I am sure Bruce left Alfred a clue on how to find him, even if this is not directly shown in the movie. If not, then that would be a hell of a coincidence just bumping into him in some foreign country....

 

[Rogzilla]

It's clearly done as a nod and I think there's more to it.

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Like maybe Alfred getting a plane ticket or a note from an unknown source and that's how he got to exactly where Bruce and Selina is. They've done a great job establishing Alfred and Bruce's relationship that I can't see them doing something where it will come off that Bruce intentionally left Alfred out when the old man has been his one constant support.

Yeah, I think it is supposed to be something like...

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The ending to the Shawshank Redemption. Bruce fakes his death in a final stroke to save Gotham and runs off with Selina (but not romantically, per se...I'll get back to my thoughts on this). Alfred mourns the loss of Bruce until he receives something that makes him investigate, then goes off to discover Bruce living happily AND, I think, joins him.

In terms of Selina, I don't think her being with Bruce means that either of them has settled down. I'm sure there will be sexual tension between them but they are both a means to an end. Both know how to disappear and blend in, how to escape. They might even love each other but being together at the end is more about disappearing than love.

Also, I totally think that the whole "THe world is far too small a place for Bruce Wayne to disappear" thing won't apply in this case because 1-That was Ra's, who was exceptional at tracking down people and was, no doubt, looking for Bruce Wayne and 2-Bruce had been able to disappear for long enough to be declared dead once before. He now has more experience and knowledge and the help of Selina Kyle. I don't think disappearing will be an issue.

 

[kvz5]

Yeah, I think it is supposed to be something like...

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The ending to the Shawshank Redemption. Bruce fakes his death in a final stroke to save Gotham and runs off with Selina (but not romantically, per se...I'll get back to my thoughts on this). Alfred mourns the loss of Bruce until he receives something that makes him investigate, then goes off to discover Bruce living happily AND, I think, joins him.

In terms of Selina, I don't think her being with Bruce means that either of them has settled down. I'm sure there will be sexual tension between them but they are both a means to an end. Both know how to disappear and blend in, how to escape. They might even love each other but being together at the end is more about disappearing than love.

Also, I totally think that the whole "THe world is far too small a place for Bruce Wayne to disappear" thing won't apply in this case because 1-That was Ra's, who was exceptional at tracking down people and was, no doubt, looking for Bruce Wayne and 2-Bruce had been able to disappear for long enough to be declared dead once before. He now has more experience and knowledge and the help of Selina Kyle. I don't think disappearing will be an issue.

I think it will be a case of take it as you how you want to take it.

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Those who want to see him end up with Selina living happily together and in love can think of that and those thinking that they'll just give it a shot or what not can see it that way too.

Regarding the disappearing act, I think this is where the Rykin stuff comes into play. They would both have their identities erased.

 

[Batman jr.]

The ending will work, no matter what. If it would've been

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people staring at each other at a café or just Bruce dead

I doubt people would be raving about it.



But wasn't it mentioned somewhere that

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The ending is a conclusion, but not necessarily "the end" for Batman?

 

[corkyberlin]

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If this is part of the ending, then I am sure Bruce left Alfred a clue on how to find him, even if this is not directly shown in the movie. If not, then that would be a hell of a coincidence just bumping into him in some foreign country....

Also I think it should go without saying that

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Bruce and Alfred almost certainly have always had a plan in case something happened. Alfred knew how to find him and pick him up in BB when he was set on fire. They knew every document, detail, and gadget to hide or destroy when they thought it was over in TDK. Certainly, they would have some sign, or some way of knowing, that in the event that the **** really hit the fan Bruce would know to leave a sign somewhere. And Alfred would know to look.

 

[kvz5]

Also I think it should be worth remember that

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Bruce and Alfred almost certainly have always had a plan in case something happened. Alfred knew how to find him and pick him up in BB when he was set on fire. They knew every document, detail, and gadget to hide or destroy when they thought it was over in TDK. Certainly, they would have some sign, or some way of knowing, that in the event that the **** really hit the fan Bruce would know to leave a sign somewhere. And Alfred would know to look.

Good point.

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I mean Alfred was safe even after Bane took over Gotham so I'm assuming he knows where to hide when the **** hits the fan.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Who wants some good thoughts for a change?

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Not everyone that's seen The Dark Knight interpreted the ending the same way that we now know the writers and Chris Nolan did when launching into TDKR.

 

[Commodore]

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I remember a very vague answer about that from scoop or theshape .

Someone (it might have been the R2 guy or someone on NolanFans trying to corroborate his statements) was noting the detail that [BLACKOUT]yes, you see Bruce's grave, but that doesn't mean Bruce is dead.[/BLACKOUT] I don't think theShape ever commented on that, but I could very well be wrong.

Thanks for explaining the [BLACKOUT]Alfred [/BLACKOUT]bit. I was aware of the supposed ending and [BLACKOUT]Alfred saying he hoped in his travels he would find Bruce out there living a happy life, [/BLACKOUT]but I didn't know what you meant about the [BLACKOUT]"*****ey move." [/BLACKOUT]

Who wants some good thoughts for a change?

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Not everyone that's seen The Dark Knight interpreted the ending the same way that we now know the writers and Chris Nolan did.

If you mean the fact that Harvey is dead, then I don't consider that a good thought. I wish Nolan had been more explicit that the fall killed Two-Face (I mean, if not even the actor playing him knew, what does that say?). If not for the Word of God interview statements that Harvey is dead, I would have assumed that Two-Face had been locked up in Arkham on life support or something. (I kind of wish that were the case, and all of this has been us being led on all along. That would be too good, though.) Also, [BLACKOUT]why spoiler tag that? I assume we've all seen The Dark Knight.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[lililatigresse]

By the way, the French critic also said that he needs to see the film again, but he still like TDK better, that TDKR doesn't feel too long and that if someone had to get an Oscar nomination it would be Michael Caine to him.

 

[Rogzilla]

I think it will be a case of take it as you how you want to take it.

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Those who want to see him end up with Selina living happily together and in love can think of that and those thinking that they'll just give it a shot or what not can see it that way too.

Regarding the disappearing act, I think this is where the Rykin stuff comes into play. They would both have their identities erased.

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Rykin stuff?

Did I miss something?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

If you mean the fact that Harvey is dead, then I don't consider that a good thought. I wish Nolan had been more explicit that the fall killed Two-Face (I mean, if not even the actor playing him knew, what does that say?). If not for the Word of God interview statements, I would have assumed that Two-Face had been locked up in Arkham on life support or something. (I kind of wish that were the case, and all of this has been us being led on all along. That would be too good, though.)

No, I mean

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Bruce puts Batman on the shelf for 8 years and keeps to himself inside the Manor. I mean most people didn't expect that to happen following TDK. Though there were also parts of the script that pointed in this direction but most here on the forum didn't interpret it that way from TDK.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

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Rykin stuff?

Did I miss something?

Selina Kyle is interested in

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having her identity erased (Rykin) according to some book that's out about the movie IIRC.

She gripes to Wayne while dancing in that clip from the other day about how she can't get a "fresh start."

 

[kvz5]

Hmmm.... Just saw this at Twitter. Here goes our confirmation. The guy is in London. He said he filmed this exactly a year ago by tomorrow.

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Alex ‏@AlexHayesArt
I miss my film work. Haven't been on a film set since the Dark Knight Rises which will be a year ago this Saturday

Popcorn Caveman ‏@popcorncaveman
Wow! @AlexHayesArt You worked on #TDKR. Respect! Tell us more!

Alex ‏@AlexHayesArt
@popcorncaveman Plus I was sat on a table next to Christian Bale & Anne Hathaway. Can't say anymore than that though!!!!

Scene that involves Bale and Anne sitting at a table with others nearby> Cafe. The scene was shot at University of Greenwich on July 14. A year ago tomorrow.

 

[Godmaul]

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An article was linked in the NO SPOILER Discussion thread that has a picture of Batman walking through 'smoke' - but its in the daytime, and you can see police fighting mercs in the picture.

So, we have to assume that this is during the final sequence where Batman goes to city hall. The interesting thing, to me, is that the article states clearly that it is depicting Batman 'returning to Gotham city after a self imposed exile.

Hmmmm.....

 

[not_a_victim]

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An article was linked in the NO SPOILER Discussion thread that has a picture of Batman walking through 'smoke' - but its in the daytime, and you can see police fighting mercs in the picture.

So, we have to assume that this is during the final sequence where Batman goes to city hall. The interesting thing, to me, is that the article states clearly that it is depicting Batman 'returning to Gotham city after a self imposed exile.

Hmmmm.....

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Don't get locked in to thinking a daylight photo will be daylight in the film. All of the courthouse fight set photos show it was filmed during the day, and then color filters or whatever are used to make is look like dusk or night.
See the two photos below for what I mean.

http://stillgalaxy.com/2012/05/actor-tom-hardy-bane-batman-dark-knight-rises-wallpaper.htm

http://o.canada.com/2012/07/12/tom-...n-the-dark-knight-rises-to-filming-mad-max-4/

 

[Street Vendor]

An article from Macleans had this little tidbit of info:

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Nolan and Bale say they are both done with Batman—although The Dark Knight Rises ends on a note that will allow another filmmaker to pick up the franchise where they left off.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/07/13/a-knight-to-remember/