Comics The '07 X-Event: Endangered Species, Messiah Complex, & Disassembled

Sorry but, what hints? There haven't really been any that don't seem like anything until they're turned around by fans to make them seem significant. Hair color? Big whoop. Sorry, but I'm not buying the "it'll turn red when she gets older" argument either. This is comics, when have the artists ever thought of something like that when drawing her? I think the fact that she's vollied between blonde and strawberry blonde speaks more for the fact that the colorists just interpreted "strawberry blonde" in their own ways. I'm not buying how her face looked in the last issue as a viable argument either, because Bachalo is a **** artist, and her face looked pretty much like every other female face he's ever drawn, so I see no significance in that either. Nor am I buying the thing about the locket either. From a storyline standpoint, it was clearly done to remind Scott about the sacrifices he made when he had to give up Cable as a baby and when he lost Jean to show that giving up this baby would be what is best for her, not say that the baby was Jean herself. Everything that has been said to be a so called "hint" at the baby being Jean is only considered that because it has been fanwanked within an inch of its life.
1. Hair Color
2. Eye Color
3. Cable's attachment to the child
4. The fact that there have been no mention of any parents. Where did this child come from. This could just be the Phoenix reborn as she wouldnt need parents
5. The potential power levels that the baby holds
6. Ability to block out telepaths
7. Scott having a specific memory of Jean while looking at hte baby
8. Scott kissing her on the forehead and the baby taking the locket which contained teh pic of Scott and Jean

Of course this is all circumstantial and by no means fact that it is Jean. I have not said that it is, only that it could be. This isnt just made up by fans. Marvel intentionally threw this all out there to either have it be Jean or be a red herring and throw people off. Either way,
 
1. Hair Color
2. Eye Color
3. Cable's attachment to the child
4. The fact that there have been no mention of any parents. Where did this child come from. This could just be the Phoenix reborn as she wouldnt need parents
5. The potential power levels that the baby holds
6. Ability to block out telepaths
7. Scott having a specific memory of Jean while looking at hte baby
8. Scott kissing her on the forehead and the baby taking the locket which contained teh pic of Scott and Jean

Of course this is all circumstantial and by no means fact that it is Jean. I have not said that it is, only that it could be. This isnt just made up by fans. Marvel intentionally threw this all out there to either have it be Jean or be a red herring and throw people off. Either way,

1. The editors have gone out of their way to say what the hair color is, strawberry BLONDE, so it means nothing.
2. Seems more circumstantial than anything.
3. That's easily been explained through the fact he sees her as a savior, not his mama, or however you want to explain their relationship.
4. The parents were likely killed in the initial attack like almost everyone else in the town, so that's more than likely why they were never mentioned.
5. You don't have to be the phoenix to have that kind of power. Just look at Franklin Richards.
6. Again, you don't have to have what Jean did to do that.
7. That was on Scott's part, not the baby's, and as I pointed out before, that memory partnered with him giving up Cable as a baby was supposed to show the losses and sacrifices he's had to make, not point out the baby is Jean.
8. More than likely a good luck charm to remind her that him and the rest of the mutants on earth are counting on her, it's not the first time a character has givin something to another one that has no relation to them. I've seen it countless times in books and movies.

I know you're not saying that the baby has to be Jean, but if the casual reader went through the entire story and never had anyone say that the baby could be Jean, they never would have thought about it. I know I certainly wouldn't have thought of it, and I'm a hardcore X-follower. Also because of the fact that having Scott interact with his former lover now as a baby would be CREEPY, as well as having Cable pretty much raise the closest thing to his own mother himself. It makes no real sense and comes off as some weird fanboy slash fanfic than anything else. Like I said before, none of this stuff really would have been picked up on if not for the Jean fanboys and girls who are so desperate to have her back, turning them around to make them seem significant.
 
Also because of the fact that having Scott interact with his former lover now as a baby would be CREEPY, as well as having Cable pretty much raise the closest thing to his own mother himself. It makes no real sense and comes off as some weird fanboy slash fanfic than anything else.

Haha, 90% of Summers/Grey history and family tree is utterly ridiculous. Nothing would surprise me anymore.
 
I know you're not saying that the baby has to be Jean, but if the casual reader went through the entire story and never had anyone say that the baby could be Jean, they never would have thought about it. I know I certainly wouldn't have thought of it, and I'm a hardcore X-follower. Also because of the fact that having Scott interact with his former lover now as a baby would be CREEPY, as well as having Cable pretty much raise the closest thing to his own mother himself. It makes no real sense and comes off as some weird fanboy slash fanfic than anything else. Like I said before, none of this stuff really would have been picked up on if not for the Jean fanboys and girls who are so desperate to have her back, turning them around to make them seem significant.
Well thats not anywhere near as bad as X-man sleeping with his mother's genetic clone. Like Colossal Spoons said, the Summers/Grey history is already ridiculous with the stuff they've come up with over the years. I first heard mention of Jean possibly being the baby before the arc started on the boards and I thought it was crazy and just some fans hoping like you do now, btu as I read the story, I saw some signs and it didnt seem as crazy. They definetly laid the groundwork so that if and when they do reveal the identiy, it wont be a shock or something coming out of left field if it were Jean. Trust me, with her being my favorite character, the last thing I would have wanted was for her big return to be as some baby and most Jean fans arent desperate to have her return wasted this way bc if that were teh case, it would be pointless bc she really isnt back
 
it was mentioned by carey that alot of what's going on with the baby is misdirection/macguffin. he said don't look into it too much, and that the mysteries surrounding the baby would be delved into soon.

i personally hope the baby isn't jean/pheonix/any incarnation or combination of the two.
 
At this potnt, the baby is just that, a baby, one that doesn't mind being passed around by strangers.

Love the Scott/Natnan moment, I feel my heart fluttered in happiness when Nathan said 'dad', but the ending is a bit loose when compared to the previous story, and Xavier's death is doubtful imo.
 
Holy ****ing ****!!!!!

Ever wonder why/how the Maurauders got thier first?


Sinister ****ing Cloned her again.


No Parents, Power....Looks, Cyke knew....

Cyke Gave her to Cable knowing/hoping that within a week she can come back full grown....and return to him......Madelyn Pryor II......Cable knows....and the only person that can confirm it is ****ing dead....killed by unrelated motives by Mystique.
 
Well I don't know about the "Casual reader not knowing its Jean" statement. I don't consider myself a hardcore X-men comic reader by any stretch of the imagination but, I kind of concluded that the baby was Jean by Cyclops attachment to it. It's pretty obvious that Marvel threw out those hints on purpose for the reader so we could jump to that conclusion. I might be in the minority here but, I hope that the baby is Jean reborn or something to that extent. I wish the baby would have stayed with the X-men though cause I really don't have too much interest in collecting Cable's title to find out what happens to her.

All in All, MC brought me back into the X-universe and I'm officially interested in what's going on again. It's been a while since I've been even the least bit interested in the X-titles...

MC complex might have stumbled just a bit near the end. The whole "No more X-men" declaration lacked any type of emotion and was way too sudden but whatever. MC is the way Marvel should handle their "Bigtime" events. It actually lived up to the hype. Something that Civil War, House of M, OMD and World War Hulk all failed to do in my eyes.
 
Holy ****ing ****!!!!!

Ever wonder why/how the Maurauders got thier first?


Sinister ****ing Cloned her again.


No Parents, Power....Looks, Cyke knew....

Cyke Gave her to Cable knowing/hoping that within a week she can come back full grown....and return to him......Madelyn Pryor II......Cable knows....and the only person that can confirm it is ****ing dead....killed by unrelated motives by Mystique.
After Scott's failed marriage to Maddy, I think the last thing he'd want is another Jean clone. Also, if Sinister cloned Jean, why the hell would he allow it to be birthed at a hospital in the middle of nowhere? Wouldn't he have grown her in his lab, like he did with Maddy?
I was under the impression the Marauders found out about the baby at the same time as the X-Men, but just barely got there first for whatever reasons (like maybe they were just closer). I mean, that little theory of yours doesn't explain how the Purifiers got there so fast.

Well I don't know about the "Casual reader not knowing its Jean" statement. I don't consider myself a hardcore X-men comic reader by any stretch of the imagination but, I kind of concluded that the baby was Jean by Cyclops attachment to it. It's pretty obvious that Marvel threw out those hints on purpose for the reader so we could jump to that conclusion.
See, I got the impression Scott was so attached to the child because she reminded him so much of Nathan as a baby. Remember, Nathan was kidnapped by Sinister soon after his birth, too. He was used as a tool and messed around with by the demons of limbo and Sinister, before someone (Apocalypse) finally found an effective way to kill him. In the end, the only way to save Nathan's life was to let someone else take him to the future.
See the parallels?
 
And with mere words Charles got what Summers couldn't :p

As Summers had already said: If cable was going to shoot him he already would have...

Also since you are always in denial over everything...

What did you think of Xavier implying that Cyclops was the figurehead of all mutant kind and said that he should decide the babys fate?
 
Wouldn't he have grown her in his lab, like he did with Maddy?

B*****. Avengers Annual 10, a five year old called "maddiee pryor" was in a hospital that Ororo and Charles and Spider-Woman visited (where Ms Marvel was). Not to mention Gambit was found on a likely hospital.

Probably he cloned his clones and then kept them on hospitals where he "worked" under a disguise, who knows why, but all signs point to that.
 
What did you think of Xavier implying that Cyclops was the figurehead of all mutant kind and said that he should decide the babys fate?

He was probably drunk or something. He told Ororo she was the most important mutant on Earth a couple of months ago on their timeline... :p
 
B*****. Avengers Annual 10, a five year old called "maddiee pryor" was in a hospital that Ororo and Charles and Spider-Woman visited (where Ms Marvel was). Not to mention Gambit was found on a likely hospital.

Probably he cloned his clones and then kept them on hospitals where he "worked" under a disguise, who knows why, but all signs point to that.
that was not THE Madelyne Pryor that married Scott. It was a completly random, unrelated character
 
He was probably drunk or something. He told Ororo she was the most important mutant on Earth a couple of months ago on their timeline... :p


You do always entertain me.

It's actually fun to imagine Xavier drunk and the havok he could cause and thinks he'd say out loud about Pixie and the other new X-men who are underage.
 
And the proof to that is..........
Inferno. I beleive X-factor 38. When Sinister cloned Maddie, she remained lifeless in a test tube until she was touched by the Phoenix Force following Jean's death. Her body was adult when that happened, not a child.

As for the child in the Avengers book, here's a likely explanation:

Now, there had been a prior (heh) appearance of a Madelyne Pryor in a
Marvel comic--Avengers Annual #10 (note: first appearance of Rogue),
also written by Chris Claremont, featured a little girl who said her
name was Maddie Pryor, who was once sick but is much better now. A lot


of energy was wasted trying to link the two Pryors together until
Claremont, who was notorious for being lazy with walk-on character
names, admitted that the Maddie in Avengers Annual #10 was named after a
favorite singer of his, Madeleine Prior, the lead singer for the folk-
rock group Steeleye Span, and that the two comic characters had nothing
in common besides their names. Likewise, David Goldfarb reminds us that
in the first Genosha storyline Madelyne is shown having a flashback in
virtual reality (UXM #238) which shows her as the little girl from
Avengers Annual #10, singing "Gone to America," which is one of Steeleye
Span's biggest hits. It's likely just Claremont having a bit of fun.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/comics/xbooks/main-faq/part4/
 
Well, I sure botched calling the spoilers incorrect. Oh well. That said, the issue did a way better job than the persons who summarized the early spoilers. Get some writing skills, chumps. Forward that to the spoiler peoples.

Yes, I've been out of the loop for a few days. Got my comics late and stayed away from this until I read the issue.

I'll possibly be stepping on points made by other people, as I haven't read all the other posts yet, since there's a few pages. I'll address individual posts as I go through them, possibly and probably.

So. Bachalo screwed up Bishop's hand, the one attached to the arm that Predator X ripped off. Haha, rocks so much. :D Go Bachalo, you pwnsome artist you!

I agree with Spec, above. I don't think there's been any genuine evidence that Jean Grey reborn is the baby in question. There's some circumstantial evidence, sure, and I won't be surprised if it is the case (because this is COMICS), since it makes some amount of sense in a way, but it's like saying that Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. I'm sure someone will get that reference.

I'm not sold that Xavier is necessarily clinically dead. The final page promo for Legacy leaves me with that thought.

Furthermore, I don't think Cyclops has disbanded the X-Men so much as the "X-Men," that is, the literal so much as the figurative. As he states, it was all Xavier's dream - and the X-Men, as they were structured and intended for use, were the physical embodiment of Xavier's dream. That dream was Xavier's, and as stated, dies with Xavier.

Was this always the case? No. Do I think this is Cyclops throwing another hissyfit over Xavier supposedly dying? No, I do not.

Again, literal vs. figurative. He's putting an end to the figurative X-Men that were Xavier's dream. Looking at Cyclops through Messiah Complex, he's made the moves to take up the leadership position as he should have done some time ago. He made the forces his own, moved the pieces himself. He went from being Xavier's second to being the general. And I think he knows very well that he crossed a line during all of it.

Cyclops might have grown up in Xavier's shadow, but he isn't Xavier. Xavier might have trained him to think like him, but Cyclops is not Xavier. When the time came, he had to make the tough choices, and they clearly were not the same choices Xavier would have made (well, supposedly - it's real easy to throw stones after the fact, as Xavier was doing).

Cyclops has a hand in X-Force. I'm sure he'll have a hand in mutant affairs in Uncanny. Look at the promo for Young X-Men at the end of X-Men 207. Cyclops puts their team together.

So, again, literal vs. figurative. The literal X-Men are not disbanded and no more. Rather, they are not a collective embodiment for Xavier's dream any longer. Cyclops still has the resources in his mutant troops, and will still employ and use those resources. It's just a different kind of situation now.

And I like that. Assuming it lives up to that, it'll have been a really smart and good thing on the part of the writers.

Oh, and Xavier is so manipulative. He helps Cable get the baby, hands her over to Cable, and when he sees that Cyclops is confronting Cable, once again proves that he's such a good little manipulator by praising Cyclops as the leader of the X-Men, all but saying he was wrong, and telling Cable to hand the baby over. Pfft. Eat bullet, Chuckyboy.
 
I think the baby is Rachel. That would explain the hair colour and Nathan's attachment to her, after all, she becomes the ASkani (sp?) and protects him as an infant now he's returning the favour.

What made me think of this is when she grabs the locket Scott inexplicably was wearing. Waaaaay back in the very early 200s, Rachel added her life essence to the crystal monument Jean's parents had, and this page totally reminded me of that old issue.



...and BTW, why didn't Warren try to heal Xavier?
 
Jeeze. You know, I love Rachel. I'm actually one of her fans. However, I have a difficult time believing the future daughter of Scott and Jean has just been born from different parents.
 
The baby cant be Rachel. Rachel can never be born in this timeline. She was the child of Scott and Phoenix from another timeline in which Jean never killed herself during the original Phoenix story. Even if Jean and Scott were to have a daughter now, it wouldnt be the Rachel from the future that comes back. It would be a different character who's closest connection to Rachel would be as a genetic sister
 
The baby cant be Rachel. Rachel can never be born in this timeline. She was the child of Scott and Phoenix from another timeline in which Jean never killed herself during the original Phoenix story. Even if Jean and Scott were to have a daughter now, it wouldnt be the Rachel from the future that comes back. It would be a different character who's closest connection to Rachel would be as a genetic sister
It also can't be as a blond child born in Alaska to different (unknown) parents. Same with Jean, for that matter.
 

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