the 89th Annual Academy Awards - Part 1

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So where were the undeserving minority nominees? Which ones?

I'm not sure what the Oscars can do to turn the current ratings slip around. I think a spike next year is very likely, given all the excitement. I think predictability can be a major issue, everyone assumed La La Land would sweep everything this year. People talk a lot about "snubbing mainstream films" but what was the last big snub? And don't say Deadpool, I don't care what the Guilds thought, that movie was NOT Oscar worthy. Just last year we saw Mad Max and The Martian get nominations, both being blockbusters. And yet it still was down from the year before in ratings.

As for BP winners with sticking power from the last 10 years, besides No Country for Old Men, I think 12 Years a Slave is up there, at least from my experience. I think Slumdog Millionaire is looked back on relatively fondly as well.
they need to get a host that will excite people trust me if they get the rock to host the oscars ratings will rise:sly:
 
Who wants to listen to someone talk about dead people being full of potential and that we should dig up their stories to tell? That resonates really well with the audience. This was the lowest ranked Oscars because the Academy gave in to the pressure last year with #oscarssowhite. They applaud and nominate horrible humans like Mel Gibson, Woody Allen, Casey Affleck and then look down on half the Country in a divisive election year. They talk about humanity while relishing in exclusivity and lavish lifestyles/events. Hollywood is out of touch with reality and frankly...this Oscars was boring. I love Jimmy Kimmel but he barely had any edge. It's sad when the most talked moment was an envelope slip up. This Oscars will fade away into o-bleh-vion.

Your act is as stale as year old bread.
 
If nothing else, the Oscars give us great shots like this, Brie Larson hugging her friend Emma Stone.
Brie posted it on her Instagram with the caption "You know what's better than winning? Watching your friends win.





https://www.instagram.com/p/BRAVAsij_fK/
Especially after they force you to hand over an award to an accused abuser. A year after you won an Oscar for playing an abuse victim.
 
The big problem with the Oscars (aside from over long bits from the host and long winded speeches) is that everyone knows the big awards, aside from the two supporting acting awards, all come at the very end and that the show is guaranteed to run long.
This year I was actually more interested in the best Actress and picture results than normal so I watched most of the show, but I usually just check it out from time to time then tune in about ten minutes before it is supposed to end knowing there is really at least 40 minutes left and all the big awards will just be starting.
 
Maybe the slip in the ratings have to do with the show being too damn long?
 
Nah Viola Davis's speech was the cause for it all. :o
 
Anybody that's vaguely interested in who wins the major stuff can read about it instantly on Twitter/Facebook etc. without having to watch a second of the broadcast.
 
If Deadpool didn't get a Best Picture nomination despite being nominated by the Producers Guild, Directors Guild, and Writers Guild, then I don't think Logan has a chance. I dont think Deadpool would have deserved an Oscar nod, but the fact that it was nominated by all three of those guilds and STILL came up short just goes to show how averse the Academy is towards superhero films.

Any film that gets a Best Picture nomination needs to be the #1 film on at least 5% of the ballots.

I can't imagine a single member of the academy (or anyone that actually watches more than 3 films a year) thinking Deadpool is the best film of the year, let alone 5% of them.

The same reason the last Harry Potter didn't have even a slight chance for a nomination. Who, apart from Potter fans would rank the film as the number one of the year? Your average 60 year old Academy member?:woot:

The rule change started in 2008 when they nominated the most forgettable, useless line-up in the last 30 years. Frost/Nixon, Milk, The Reader, Slumdog, Button...those films might as well not exist. Absolutely no legacy, or contribution to cinema. The three films from 2008 that have stood the test of time, Wall-E, The Dark Knight and Synecdoche, New York were all snubbed.

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160819-the-21st-centurys-100-greatest-films?ocid=twcul

Top 3 from 2008:

Synecdoche at #20
Wall-E at #29
The Dark Knight at #33

http://theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films_table.php

Top 3 from 2008:

Wall-E at #397 (highest rated blockbuster from 2000 onward)
Synecdoche at #674
The Dark Knight at #682 (second highest rated blockbuster from 2000 onward)

When they changed the rules in 2008, mostly because the outrage for TDK's snub was too big and obvious to ignore, it worked.

In 2009 we had Up, District 9, Inglorious Basterds, Avatar and A Serious Man.
In 2010 we had Inception, Black Swan, The Social Network, Toy Story 3 and 127 Hours.

Then in 2010 they changed them again with the 5% rule and since then we've had Her, Arrival, The Martian, Mad Max, The Grand Budapest Hotel, Gravity, Django, The Wolf of Wall Street, Hugo, Midnight In Paris, Whiplash...

The trouble with mainstream cinema is that it has little-to-no quality or originality to it. It's all about endless sequels, reboots, ''universe building'' franchise nonsense. Almost every highly acclaimed mainstream genre film in the last 8 years has been nominated.

A film like Deadpool will never nominated because it's not a ''Best of the year'' type of film, not just because they're biased against the genre.
 
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Who wants to listen to someone talk about dead people being full of potential and that we should dig up their stories to tell? That resonates really well with the audience. This was the lowest ranked Oscars because the Academy gave in to the pressure last year with #oscarssowhite. They applaud and nominate horrible humans like Mel Gibson, Woody Allen, Casey Affleck and then look down on half the Country in a divisive election year. They talk about humanity while relishing in exclusivity and lavish lifestyles/events. Hollywood is out of touch with reality and frankly...this Oscars was boring. I love Jimmy Kimmel but he barely had any edge. It's sad when the most talked moment was an envelope slip up. This Oscars will fade away into o-bleh-vion.

Last I checked the Oscars dont exist to judge someone's morality and their humanity. The Oscars exist to judge the art they create. That art is good or bad regardless of the morality of the creator:

Norman Mailer in a rage once tried to kill one of his wives. The painter Caravaggio and the poet and playwright Ben Jonson both killed men in duels or brawls. Genet was a thief, Rimbaud was a smuggler, Byron committed incest, Flaubert paid for sex with boys. So case closed, one is tempted to say, invoking Ms. Cornwell’s phrase: anti-Semitism, misogyny, racism (I left that out, but there are too many examples to cite), murderousness, theft, sex crimes. That’s not to mention the drunkenness, drug-taking, backstabbing, casual adultery and chronic indebtedness that we know attended (or attends) the lives of so many people who make unquestionably good art. Why should we be surprised or think otherwise? Why should artists be any better than the rest of us?

The reason that question — “Can bad people create good art?” — is misleading is that badness and goodness in this formulation don’t refer to the same thing. In the case of the artist, badness or goodness is a moral quality or judgment; in the case of his art goodness and badness are terms of aesthetic merit, to which morality does not apply. The conductor Daniel Barenboim, a Jew, is a champion of Wagner’s music, for example, and has made a point of playing it in Israel, where it is hardly welcome. His defense is that while Wagner may have been reprehensible, his music is not.

Great artists tend to live for their art more than for others. This is why the biographies of so many writers in the 20th century who were otherwise reasonably good people, or not monstrous certainly (think of Fitzgerald, Faulkner, Bellow, Yates, Agee, to take a few almost at random), are strewn with broken marriages and neglected or under-appreciated children.

A more extreme example is Hemingway, whose domestic record is less inspiring than his artistic one: four marriages and at least two screwed-up sons. In November 1952, just after his 21st birthday, Gregory, the youngest (and arguably most talented) of Hemingway’s three children, wrote to his father: “When it’s all added up, papa, it will be: he wrote a few good stories, had a novel and fresh approach to reality and he destroyed five persons — Hadley, Pauline, Marty [Martha Gelhorn, Hemingway’s third wife], Patrick and possibly myself. Which do you think is the most important, your self-centered ****, the stories or the people?” There is no possibly about it: Gregory, the most damaged of all the Hemingway offspring, died, an alcoholic transvestite, in the Miami-Dade Women’s Detention Center. Its anger aside, the letter is noteworthy for raising a troubling and probably unanswerable question about the art-life connection: how many stories, however good, are worth the pain and unhappiness of others?

The stories alone are not what wreaked such havoc on the Hemingway family. There was drinking, celebrity, philandering, and two plane crashes that damaged Hemingway physically and possibly mentally. But Hemingway lived for his stories, and they were his justification. Stories or people? There’s no doubt which he thought was more important.

A more complicated case is that of Dickens, an even greater artist than Hemingway and by most conventional measures a better man. Dickens was a reformer, a social improver, a champion of the poor, a man who used his own money to set up a school and shelter for prostitutes (even as, Claire Tomalin’s new biography suggests, he was himself an enthusiastic customer of streetwalkers). His popularity was such that by the mid-19th century he was probably the most beloved figure in England, more popular even than the queen.

Dickens had a wretched childhood and was determined to do better by his own children. And yet he was at best an indifferent, misguided, and often neglectful parent, and an even worse husband. His marriage to Catherine Hogarth was probably a mistake to begin with, and as she grew fat and sickly (ten pregnancies can’t have helped) he became bored and resentful. Divorce was not an option, so he banished her from his household and literally wrote her out of his life, falsely announcing in his magazine, Household Words, that she was a neglectful mother whose children couldn’t bear her. Describing this time in their lives, his daughter Katie wrote: “Nothing could surpass the misery and unhappiness of our home.”

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/06/22/opinion/global-agenda-magazine-good-art-bad-people.html

If we ignored and dismissed every piece of art created by an ******* or morally dubious artist we wouldnt have some of the world's best art. The Academy should stick with judging the art and not the artist.
 
Does anybody outside of the industry care about half these awards? I mean seriously. Like best sound editing or production design?

That's the problem. It's a four hour show, and two hours of stuff no one gives a damn about, or can't see (documentaries). Maybe cut it down?

Also some of these awards are redundant (best director and best picture). I don't even know where you would see most of these documentaries legally.
 
Last I checked the Oscars dont exist to judge someone's morality and their humanity. The Oscars exist to judge the art they create. That art is good or bad regardless of the morality of the creator:



If we ignored and dismissed every piece of art created by an ******* or morally dubious artist we wouldnt have some of the world's best art. The Academy should stick with judging the art and not the artist.

Not to mention that Casey Affleck isn't creating policy destined to make millions of people suffer. So anyone who tries to play that card can kindly f*** the hell off with their false equivalence.
 
Last I checked the Oscars dont exist to judge someone's morality and their humanity. The Oscars exist to judge the art they create. That art is good or bad regardless of the morality of the creator:



If we ignored and dismissed every piece of art created by an ******* or morally dubious artist we wouldnt have some of the world's best art. The Academy should stick with judging the art and not the artist.
Except the Oscars do judge morality and humanity all the time. The award based on morality all the time. They love to seem their own farts based on it. But that they just avoid sexual assault says a lot.
 
Does anybody outside of the industry care about half these awards? I mean seriously. Like best sound editing or production design?

That's the problem. It's a four hour show, and two hours of stuff no one gives a damn about, or can't see (documentaries). Maybe cut it down?

Also some of these awards are redundant (best director and best picture). I don't even know where you would see most of these documentaries legally.

As a film fan I care. I like to see people in the industry, especially people in jobs that get less attention, being reward and recognized for their hard work. Sound editing, production design, costuming, cinematography and other technical jobs are just as important and worthy of recognition as actors and directors. The Oscars needs to add an award for stunt crews too.

White Helmets is on Netflix. Not sure about the other documentaries.
 
Does anybody outside of the industry care about half these awards? I mean seriously. Like best sound editing or production design?

That's the problem. It's a four hour show, and two hours of stuff no one gives a damn about, or can't see (documentaries). Maybe cut it down?

Also some of these awards are redundant (best director and best picture). I don't even know where you would see most of these documentaries legally.
I don't think the problem is the awards handed out. It is that it takes 100 years to hand them out. Think about how many awards were actually given out and then how long it took.
 
i personally would get rid of

animated short
live action short
Best Documentary – Short Subject

no one cares about those and probably havent and wont ever see any of those films
 
i personally would get rid of

animated short
live action short
Best Documentary – Short Subject

no one cares about those and probably havent and wont ever see any of those films
People care and those take up like 10 mins. Clearly not a problem. And considering many Animated Short contenders have belonged to Pixar/Disney Animation, people have seen them.
 
get rid of all the musical acts lol
 
I'll tell you what they really need to cut. The food bits. We've seen the **** played out over and over at every one of these award shows for the past few years. Enough. These people are well fed. If they get hungry, they can make a post-show Taco Bell run like any self-respecting high schooler on prom night.
 
Or better yet dont show the Oscars live. Record them and edit out all the BS, the food bits and unimportant ****, and broadcast the edited tighter paced version of the Awards on tv. They could stream the unedited live version on the internet.
 
Except the Oscars do judge morality and humanity all the time. The award based on morality all the time. They love to seem their own farts based on it. But that they just avoid sexual assault says a lot.

They should avoid all of it.
 
with the music performances... its all the songs nominated right? they last like 5-7 minutes... intro and song... well... we don't see 5-7 minutes of each movie nominated... if you have to watch the oscars to know the song, you clearly dont give a **** about the music category anyway (i sure dont)... save that **** for the grammy's.
 
They should avoid all of it.
But they don't. So that they don't, but decide to make an exception here is rather glaring.

Also I wouldn't avoid it. Awarding someone isn't simply down to performance. If you are simply awarding the performance, you wouldn't hand out an award to an actual person.
 
Or better yet dont show the Oscars live. Record them and edit out all the BS, the food bits and unimportant ****, and broadcast the edited tighter paced version of the Awards on tv. They could stream the unedited live version on the internet.
This is a rather horrible idea imo. Everyone would know who won, why would you watch the edited version?

with the music performances... its all the songs nominated right? they last like 5-7 minutes... intro and song... well... we don't see 5-7 minutes of each movie nominated... if you have to watch the oscars to know the song, you clearly dont give a **** about the music category anyway (i sure dont)... save that **** for the grammy's.
They should consider a medley.
 

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