the 89th Annual Academy Awards - Part 1

[chaseter]

I think there are going to be two mainstream possibilities this year. One is Logan, the other is War for the Planet of the Apes.

Logan no. Apes maybe.

 

[Broseph44]

I think there are going to be two mainstream possibilities this year. One is Logan, the other is War for the Planet of the Apes.

I can definitely see that.

 

[Incarnadine]

Yeah. It doesn't surprise me that they fell back into their old habit of sticking their noses up a mainstream films. You almost forget that Inception, District 9, and Avatar are Best Picture nominees. Feels like a lifetime ago.

Wouldn't it be interesting if they had a retroactive Bes Picture category? Like a "Best of Class" where they revisit films from 10 years ago to see which ones have stood the test of time? You'd think The Dark Knight would be a shoe-in to win the Class of 2008.

Even at 5 years you can see what's holding up.

Anyone watch, or have any interest in watching The Artist lately?
The only Best Picture winner in the last ten years I'd watch if I saw it was on TV would probably be No Country for Old Men.

 

[Broseph44]

Even at 5 years you can see what's holding up.

Anyone watch, or have any interest in watching The Artist lately?
The only Best Picture winner in the last ten years I'd watch if I saw it was on TV would probably be No Country for Old Men.

When it comes to winners in the last 10 years I'll do No Country and Birdman.

 

[Broseph44]

I really enjoyed Spotlight but haven't felt the urge to watch it again.

 

[Reek]

Logan no. Apes maybe.

lol if anything it's Logan yes, Apes no.

 

[Boom]

Even at 5 years you can see what's holding up.

Anyone watch, or have any interest in watching The Artist lately?
The only Best Picture winner in the last ten years I'd watch if I saw it was on TV would probably be No Country for Old Men.

I figured ten years would be a good "marinating" period, but five years might also suffice.

It'd be very interesting if the Academy had some type of legacy award. They'd never go for it though, because it could be perceived as undermining the actual Best Picture winner from that year.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I still don't get why Spotlight won. It wasn't a bad movie. It was good. Nothing special. Like a well-crafted TV movie with a Hollywood budget. But it's nothing special. Famous quotes? Nope. Memorable performances? Nope? Story? Visuals? Anything that leaves an impression?

Not that I can remember, and I've seen about 50 Best Picture flicks. I realize they can't all be The Godfather or Lawrence of Arabia, but it has to have something.

 

[Broseph44]

It's just amazing how many snubs there have been in some of the major categories over the years. Either nominees that didn't get the win, or films/actors that were not even nominated at all.

 

[chaseter]

lol if anything it's Logan yes, Apes no.

They have an aversion to superhero movies.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Rogue One didn't get nominated for Costumes or Hair and Make Up ??

And it's only real competition in either was Star Trek Beyond.

That Academy is truly mad.

As to that incident with Best Picture. Can someone please explain why Jordan Horowitz is being praised as a "class act" and "good sportsman"? He wasn't remotely classy at all.

I can understand him getting angry and mortified that he went on stage in front of millions of people, made a speech and then discovered it was not his win. Even the fact that he treated Beatty so rudely is forgivable - he is only human and embarrassment can make us all react badly - but I simply do not understand the praise. He did not behave like a "class act" or a "good sportsman". He was rude and snotty.

And why on earth did The Washington Post call him "the truth teller we need right now"? What truth? There was no cover up - Beatty was coming to the microphone to explain the confusion and Horowitz butted in. When Kimmell (who did not "look like he wanted to be anywhere else" as has been claimed) tried to defuse the aggression he was simply shouted over by Horowitz.

Horowitz reaction was that of a bully and he is getting applauded for it.

 

[Boom]

If Deadpool didn't get a Best Picture nomination despite being nominated by the Producers Guild, Directors Guild, and Writers Guild, then I don't think Logan has a chance. I dont think Deadpool would have deserved an Oscar nod, but the fact that it was nominated by all three of those guilds and STILL came up short just goes to show how averse the Academy is towards superhero films.

 

[Broseph44]

Rogue One didn't get nominated for Costumes or Hair and Make Up ??

And it's only real competition in either was Star Trek Beyond.

That Academy is truly mad.

As to that incident with Best Picture. Can someone please explain why Jordan Horowitz is being praised as a "class act" and "good sportsman"? He wasn't remotely classy at all.

I can understand him getting angry and mortified that he went on stage in front of millions of people, made a speech and then discovered it was not his win. Even the fact that he treated Beatty so rudely is forgivable - he is only human and embarrassment can make us all react badly - but I simply do not understand the praise. He did not behave like a "class act" or a "good sportsman". He was rude and snotty.

And why on earth did The Washington Post call him "the truth teller we need right now"? What truth? There was no cover up - Beatty was coming to the microphone to explain the confusion and Horowitz butted in. When Kimmell (who did not "look like he wanted to be anywhere else" as has been claimed) tried to defuse the aggression he was simply shouted over by Horowitz.

Horowitz reaction was that of a bully and he is getting applauded for it.

Are you and Ruth related?

 

[Broseph44]

If Deadpool didn't get a Best Picture nomination despite being nominated by the Producers Guild, Directors Guild, and Writers Guild, then I don't think Logan has a chance. I personally didn't think Deadpool deserved an Oscar nod, but the fact that it was nominated by all three of those guilds and STILL came up short just goes to show how adverse the Academy is towards superhero films.

Yeah I also don't think it deserved a nod, I enjoy the film but think it gets too much praise and hype. The trailers for that film ruined a lot of the jokes for me. When I saw the film it was almost like forcing myself to laugh for the sake of laughing. The fact that John Campea gave Deadpool a perfect 10/10 is also absurd.

 

[LoganGambit87]

It's just amazing how many snubs there have been in some of the major categories over the years. Either nominees that didn't get the win, or films/actors that were not even nominated at all.

Jake Gyllenhaal For Nightcrawler was an abysmal snub

 

[UltimatePyro9]

And of course, the Academy could always swallow their pride and have a Best Genre Film category if they want a cheap way to boost ratings.

No way. If the Academy made a Best Superhero Film category, the Marvel vs DC arguments would be even more unbearable than they were before.

 

[Broseph44]

Horror films have been getting back on track in recent years, a shame some of them aren't nominated. Horror/thrillers. Awesome that Silence of The Lambs is one of the last I can remember that won best picture plus multiple others if I recall. But of course I know the academy won't recognize horror. But you guys know what I mean, I'm not talking gorefests or slashers. But almost horror/thrillers.

 

[Broseph44]

Watching Kimmel right now and he's revealing some stuff from behind the scenes. During the in memorium they put up a picture of a woman and the name read Janet Patterson a costume designer. Meanwhile the picture they put up was not the deceased, it was a living producer named Jan Chapman. Way to go academy

 

[Gold Samurai]

lol if anything it's Logan yes, Apes no.

Apes can still get a nod for VFX and sound mixing. The usual tech awards.

Logan might get a small nod. I don't know "best actor" or "best supporting" actor have a shot

"Dunkirk" just might be Nolan's chance to snag an Oscar.

 

[Incarnadine]

When it comes to winners in the last 10 years I'll do No Country and Birdman.

I didn't add Birdman because it is so recent, but I actually did watch it again a few weeks ago.

 

[Frankeh]

This was the lowest ranked Oscars because the Academy gave in to the pressure last year with #oscarssowhite.

No way, aside from Lion which has a bit mediocre critical reception in Metacritic, all the BP nominees starring POC were very well received and therefore I very much doubt it was a POC-acting-movie-nominations quota that they were complying with to please haters.

Stuff like Fences (explosive family drama), Hidden Figures (biographical), Lion (tearjerker), Moonlight (person facing adversity, drug addiction/dealing), are also things the Academy tends to eat up.

It just so happened that more good movies starring POC were made in 2016 unlike 2015. And that's what needs to keep happening.

 

[titansupes]

The We Bought A Zoo/Affleck and Damon presenting segments:

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[Mysteryman]

If Deadpool didn't get a Best Picture nomination despite being nominated by the Producers Guild, Directors Guild, and Writers Guild, then I don't think Logan has a chance. I dont think Deadpool would have deserved an Oscar nod, but the fact that it was nominated by all three of those guilds and STILL came up short just goes to show how averse the Academy is towards superhero films.

Deadpool isn't the the first film to get nominated by both guilds and not get a nomination.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Rogue One didn't get nominated for Costumes or Hair and Make Up ??

And it's only real competition in either was Star Trek Beyond.

That Academy is truly mad.

As to that incident with Best Picture. Can someone please explain why Jordan Horowitz is being praised as a "class act" and "good sportsman"? He wasn't remotely classy at all.

I can understand him getting angry and mortified that he went on stage in front of millions of people, made a speech and then discovered it was not his win. Even the fact that he treated Beatty so rudely is forgivable - he is only human and embarrassment can make us all react badly - but I simply do not understand the praise. He did not behave like a "class act" or a "good sportsman". He was rude and snotty.

And why on earth did The Washington Post call him "the truth teller we need right now"? What truth? There was no cover up - Beatty was coming to the microphone to explain the confusion and Horowitz butted in. When Kimmell (who did not "look like he wanted to be anywhere else" as has been claimed) tried to defuse the aggression he was simply shouted over by Horowitz.

Horowitz reaction was that of a bully and he is getting applauded for it.

And we wonder why the world is in the state it's in?

 

[CaptainWagner]

This was the lowest ranked Oscars because the Academy gave in to the pressure last year with #oscarssowhite.

So where were the undeserving minority nominees? Which ones?

I'm not sure what the Oscars can do to turn the current ratings slip around. I think a spike next year is very likely, given all the excitement. I think predictability can be a major issue, everyone assumed La La Land would sweep everything this year. People talk a lot about "snubbing mainstream films" but what was the last big snub? And don't say Deadpool, I don't care what the Guilds thought, that movie was NOT Oscar worthy. Just last year we saw Mad Max and The Martian get nominations, both being blockbusters. And yet it still was down from the year before in ratings.

As for BP winners with sticking power from the last 10 years, besides No Country for Old Men, I think 12 Years a Slave is up there, at least from my experience. I think Slumdog Millionaire is looked back on relatively fondly as well.