the 89th Annual Academy Awards - Part 1

[Broseph44]

Yeah, I agree. She started out fine but then she ended it with her head jammed up her own ass. Hollywood really loves to congratulate themselves.

Yep that's the problem. Like I said some are so out of touch, living in a bubble.

 

[Pink Ranger]

What about Cameron's direction was better then what was in the Hurt Locker?

Directing is not just about set pieces. It involving every single thing that makes it into the movie. A director is directly responsible for the quality of a film. If it is the best film of the year, it is down to the director. A weak script is irrelevant because the director can transform it in many ways.

I disagree. The award is "achievement in directing," not "director who made the best movie." Last year is a good example: Spotlight was an excellent movie, based on the ensemble acting and its script, and was competently directed but didn't exactly do anything groundbreaking. Whereas you had The Revenant and Fury Road where the directors really did something creative, but all in all the movies didn't tell as strong a story as Spotlight did.

Back to another sports analogy, it's like a basketball team can have the best point guard in the world, but it won't necessarily win the tournament if the other parts also don't come together.

 

[samsnee]

What about Cameron's direction was better then what was in the Hurt Locker?

Directing is not just about set pieces. It involving every single thing that makes it into the movie. Every line of dialogue, every editing decision, every performance allowed into the film, every frame. A director is directly responsible for the quality of a film. If it is the best film of the year, it is down to the director. A weak script is irrelevant because the director can transform it in many ways.

I disagree. A film is the sum of the parts. Yes, the director is the captain and oversees it, but he is not the end all be all.

Look at Boyhood. Do I appreciate that the director spent 12 years of his life honing this vision and revisiting it every year? Yes, that is a great achievement. But the direction itself wasn't anything amazing. Even though it didn't win Best Picture, it wouldn't have surprised me if it did because nothing like it had really been done before in cinema.

 

[Galactus10]

I used to not understand how a film that won Best Director could lose Best Picture until I saw Gravity. That film was not the best film of the year but Cuaron directed his ass off for that film.

Yeah, I can dig that. I understand how the director's crafting of a film can be better than the actual movie as a whole. Depends on the ingredients.

I dunno, Best Picture has been controversial a lot over the years. For example, I watched Spotlight and it bored me. Maybe I need to watch it again but I was a 'thud' , not in subject matter but execution. I was expecting more tense scenes, not just office meetings. I studied journalism and still was left 'meh.'

I really hope Moonlight lives up to the win because La La Land left a big mark on cinema

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I disagree. The award is "achievement in directing," not "director who made the best movie." Last year is a good example: Spotlight was an excellent movie, based on the ensemble acting and its script, and was competently directed but didn't exactly do anything groundbreaking. Whereas you had The Revenant and Fury Road where the directors really did something creative, but all in all the movies didn't tell as strong a story as Spotlight did.

Back to another sports analogy, it's like a basketball team can have the best point guard in the world, but it won't necessarily win the tournament if the other parts also don't come together.

Spotlight is great. And you mention the ensemble acting and script. But why that made it into the film is the direction. We have so many example of how important a director is on those things making it into a film. So last year, I would have given it to Spotlight. Well actually I would have given both awards to Fury Road, but Spotlight is worthy.

The sports analogy is flawed because directing isn't like being a point guard. It is more like being a head coach or GM, and even that is flawed. The point guard would be the equivalent of the lead actor/actress.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

The only thing rude was announcing the wrong winner. The producer showed more grace then anyone else up there.

No he was defo passive aggressive and rude and irrate. His behaviour was kinda scary to me but i get he probably wasn't thinking right bc of the drama. if he apologises I would be okay with him but he hasn't yet so i'm not a fan. I feel sorry for warren and faye

 

[Broseph44]

No he was defo passive aggressive and rude and irrate. His behaviour was kinda scary to me but i get he probably wasn't thinking right bc of the drama. if he apologises I would be okay with him but he hasn't yet so i'm not a fan. I feel sorry for warren and faye

Ummm what You're acting like this guy personally did something to you.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I disagree. A film is the sum of the parts. Yes, the director is the captain and oversees it, but he is not the end all be all.

Look at Boyhood. Do I appreciate that the director spent 12 years of his life honing this vision and revisiting it every year? Yes, that is a great achievement. But the direction itself wasn't anything amazing. Even though it didn't win Best Picture, it wouldn't have surprised me if it did because nothing like it had really been done before in cinema.

A film is a sum of its parts. And those parts are all directly influenced by the director. It is why no matter the actors, film editor, composer or cinematographer, you can identify a great director's work.

I am unclear with your second point. Are we awarding the best film or the greatest achievement? Boyhood, I don't like all that much. I acknowledge it was fun experiment. But that doesn't make it a good film to me and thus I would never have considered it for Best Picture.

It actually goes back to the ideal of simply "creativity" in directing. Sometimes the best thing for the film is to leave the camera fixated on great performance. A director is pushed for doing the right thing?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No he was defo passive aggressive and rude and irrate. His behaviour was kinda scary to me but i get he probably wasn't thinking right bc of the drama. if he apologises I would be okay with him but he hasn't yet so i'm not a fan. I feel sorry for warren and faye

The only people I feel sorry for are those that thought they won an Oscar, and didn't. Perhaps Warren and Faye could have just read the card and then none of this would have happened.

Ummm what You're acting like this guy personally did something to you.

Oh, you don't know Ruth? Hyperbole is her thing.

 

[samsnee]

Heck Moonlight should have had that moment to themselves, and they didn't. Everyone kind of got the short end of the stick.

 

[harlequinade]

The snatching off the card out of Beatty's hand was awful imho.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Heck Moonlight should have had that moment to themselves, and they didn't. Everyone kind of got the short end of the stick.

While that is true, that has to be one of the most exhilarating moments you can experience at the Oscars. It is like the great comeback you never expected.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

The snatching off the card out of Beatty's hand was awful imho.

YES! His awful rude behaviour can not be justified. it was disgusting. He needs to tweet am apology asap or I'm reporting

 

[kvz5]

I don't know... This is, like, the first place I've seen where the LLL producer was called rude. The consensus everywhere else was that he (and the entire team really) handled things with class and I totally agree with that. I can only imagine the humiliation of celebrating in front of hundreds of people only to be told that it was a mistake. The interesting part was that they were frontrunners so them being winners made sense and didn't seem like a mistake. Somebody pointed out what if Best Actor came before Best Picture then Warren might've called out Manchester By The Sea as the BP. Now that would've come out as shocking.

Regarding the 'snatching', I just took that as him taking charge. They wanted to point out ASAP that Moonlight was the winner and everyone seems to be taking their sweet time doing it and just taking it as a supposed joke. But really... the producers should've stepped in RIGHT AWAY and not waited for like everyone and their dog from the LLL team to have made their speech.

BTW Did you guys see the memes on Chazelle's face at the background? I feel bad for the guy but I totally laughed at it.

 

[harlequinade]

This is, like, the first time I've seen where the LLL producer was called rude. The consensus everywhere else was that he (and the entire team really) handled things with class and I totally agree with that. I can only imagine the humiliation of having celebrating in front of hundreds of people only to be told that it was a mistake. The interesting part was that they were frontrunners so them being winners made sense and didn't seem like a mistake. Somebody pointed out what if Best Actor came before Best Picture then Warren might've called out Manchester By The Sea as the BP. Now that would've come out as shocking.

BTW Did you guys see the memes on Chazelle's face at the background? I feel bad for the guy but I totally laughed at it.

Betty is 79 years old. I was really shocked at how that guy just brutally yanked that envelope. Everything else was fine but that moment was just cringe worthy to witness, yes Betty and Dunaway handled it badly but they are not to be blamed for this. Especially that unlike Faye Warren at least addressed the situation

 

[Incarnadine]

and still was left 'meh.'

I really hope Moonlight lives up to the win because La La Land left a big mark on cinema

To me this feels like Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction again.
I liked Gump, saw it in the theater and watched it again on TV, but have no desire to see it again, but I saw Pulp Fiction several times in theater and to this day if I see it on TV I have the urge to watch it again. It was fresh and amazingly crafted and revitalized the careers of much of its cast and has stood the test of time.

Moonlight is a fine movie, but do I think I'll ever feel the need to watch it again years down the road? Not bloody likely, but I know I'll be happy to watch LLL in the future.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't know... This is, like, the first place I've seen where the LLL producer was called rude. The consensus everywhere else was that he (and the entire team really) handled things with class and I totally agree with that. I can only imagine the humiliation of having celebrating in front of hundreds of people only to be told that it was a mistake. The interesting part was that they were frontrunners so them being winners made sense and didn't seem like a mistake. Somebody pointed out what if Best Actor came before Best Picture then Warren might've called out Manchester By The Sea as the BP. Now that would've come out as shocking.

Regarding the 'snatching', I just took that as him taking charge. They wanted to point out ASAP that Moonlight was the winner and everyone seems to be taking their sweet time doing it and just taking it as a supposed joke. But really... the producers should've stepped in RIGHT AWAY and not waited for like everyone and their dog from the LLL team to have made their speech.

BTW Did you guys see the memes on Chazelle's face at the background? I feel bad for the guy but I totally laughed at it.

 

[Bren]

His behaviour was kinda scary to me

You kinda scare easily.

YES! His awful rude behaviour can not be justified. it was disgusting. He needs to tweet am apology asap or I'm reporting

Reporting? Maybe you should have lie down and let Warren... um.. report?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Betty is 79 years old. I was really shocked at how that guy just brutally yanked that envelope. Everything else was fine but that moment was just cringe worthy to witness, yes Betty and Dunaway handled it badly but they are not to be blamed for this. Especially that unlike Faye Warren at least addressed the situation

How are they not to blame for this? Is it really that hard to read a card?

I am not even saying they did something all that bad. But why does everyone want to minimize their role in this? Just because our President can't read doesn't mean everyone else gets a pass.

 

[Guts]

YES! His awful rude behaviour can not be justified. it was disgusting. He needs to tweet am apology asap or I'm reporting

To who?

 

[Ruth Fisher]

The people who hand them the envelope should get the blame (and that producer should be blamed for making an unvomfortable atmosphere). Not warren and faye. They are innocent in this

To who?

reporting him on twitter

 

[samsnee]

Because Beatty clearly knew it was wrong and was looking for one of the show's producers to step in. This had never really happened before in recent memory. If anything, it is PWC, who has apologized, and the show's producers who should have stepped up. Why did the LaLa Land producer have to do it?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

To me this feels like Forrest Gump over Pulp Fiction again.
I liked Gump, saw it in the theater and watched it again on TV, but have no desire to see it again, but I saw Pulp Fiction several times in theater and to this day if I see it on TV I have the urge to watch it again. It was fresh and amazingly crafted and revitalized the careers of much of its cast and has stood the test of time.

Moonlight is a fine movie, but do I think I'll ever feel the need to watch it again years down the road? Not bloody likely, but I know I'll be happy to watch LLL in the future.

In terms of worst decisions, I doubt this is even top 10. Might not even be wrong. Have to still watch both. But this did get me thinking of the worst imo:

Ordinary People over Raging Bull
Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan
Crash over any movie from 2005
Dancing with Wolves over Goodfellas
Forest Gump over Pulp Fiction
Rocky over Taxi Driver (Love both though)
The English Patient over Fargo
Chicago over The Two Towers
Return of the King over Lost in Translation
The King's Speech over Inception
12 Years a Slave over Wolf of Wall Street

 

[Steyin]

Eh, out of all the nominated films I put Moonlight as my 2nd from the bottom. Don't think it should have won, nor do I think LLL should have won either.

I don't blame Beatty at all either. It took way too long for someone to come in and do something.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Because Beatty clearly knew it was wrong and was looking for one of the show's producers to step in. This had never really happened before in recent memory. If anything, it is PWC, who has apologized, and the show's producers who should have stepped up. Why did the LaLa Land producer have to do it?

Because Beatty just kept on playing along. I get others should have done it, but it is also why the La La Land producer had to take control. No one else was, including the one person who knew it was wrong on stage.