The All-Encompassing AQUAMAN Movie Thread - Part 7

[Greenlite]

Thing is, as some posters said, Black Manta was actually a part of the story, he was a cog in the narrative that pushed the action forward, I cant see how you can cut him out.

I fee like Wonder Woman in BvS or Spiderman in Civil war are better examples of superfulous elements that didn't really need to be there ( im not complaining, i love both of those movies and those character introductions just making a point).

I had no problem with Black Manta, but I listened to a few podcasts and "they could have saved BM for the sequel" or "they didn't need BM for the story" etc was quite a common nit-pick.

I agree with his role to Orm and Arthur

as for Neil Daly, someone tweet Wan and see if he kills him or "no comment" him =P Wan's a straight shooter

 

[MbJ]

Aquaman got nominated for a Golden Reel Award in the Musical Underscore category.

 

[Flint Marko]

I had no problem with Black Manta, but I listened to a few podcasts and "they could have saved BM for the sequel" or "they didn't need BM for the story" etc was quite a common nit-pick.

Speaking only for myself my biggest issue with BM was his introduction. In the middle of a submarine heist is apparently the ideal time to deliver thudding exposition about your family history you’ve kept hidden from your son for decades? We’ve seen things like that before but that was egregious in a way that surprised me. I thought Wan would be better than that.

That said, the characters design is so cool that keeping him was ultimately the right choice. But I can understand why he’s received a fair share of criticism because I wasn’t crazy about him overall.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Speaking only for myself my biggest issue with BM was his introduction. In the middle of a submarine heist is apparently the ideal time to deliver thudding exposition about your family history you’ve kept hidden from your son for decades? We’ve seen things like that before but that was egregious in a way that surprised me. I thought Wan would be better than that.

That said, the characters design is so cool that keeping him was ultimately the right choice. But I can understand why he’s received a fair share of criticism because I wasn’t crazy about him overall.

You talk of it as though Wan clumsily inserted ten uninterrupted minutes of dialogue-splattered exposition with fogged-lens flashbacks. That's not the case. We got what we needed to know. Manta's got one of the most fleeting origins depicted onscreen: introduction of David Kane — development of the technology to become Black Manta — Black Manta attacks. Not sure what the problem is.

 

[Vaibow]

You talk of it as though Wan clumsily inserted ten uninterrupted minutes of dialogue-splattered exposition with fogged-lens flashbacks. That's not the case. We got what we needed to know. Manta's got one of the most fleeting origins depicted onscreen: introduction of David Kane — development of the technology to become Black Manta — Black Manta attacks. Not sure what the problem is.

It did feel kinda forced, but i forgave it for sake of a story.... had the events happened and they missed out the handing over of the sword, instead jsut had father son dialogue along the way for those few minutes, his death still would have sucked and the audience or at least i would have been invested as i felt it was well acted and AM leaving him there was cold... regardless of what he is guilty of. Later in italy, BM could have held the sword to his throat and said to AM, 'my father gave me this, it was his father - he was the first scavanger of the seas, the first manta and he would be pleased to see this' as an example to explain if needed.
However, it was a good arc for Arthur and no longer letting people die, regardless.

 

[Patchwork Man]

We all knew Arthur would regret leaving Jesse Kane to die, but in the heat of the moment, it wasn't exactly unexpected. After all, Jesse did fire a freakin' rocket into his chest!

 

[Flint Marko]

You talk of it as though Wan clumsily inserted ten uninterrupted minutes of dialogue-splattered exposition with fogged-lens flashbacks. That's not the case. We got what we needed to know. Manta's got one of the most fleeting origins depicted onscreen: introduction of David Kane — development of the technology to become Black Manta — Black Manta attacks. Not sure what the problem is.

It was a clumsy introduction. There’s no reason the son shouldn’t have known that information already and there’s no reason that was the right time to tell him. You’re free to disagree, but that’s what my problem is.

Ultimately the movie makes up for it but I can see why Black Manta wasn’t a lot of people’s favorite.

 

[MadderMaximus]

Weird, I was under the impression Black Manta was one of the stand outs by the general audience.

 

[Patchwork Man]

It was a clumsy introduction. There’s no reason the son shouldn’t have known that information already and there’s no reason that was the right time to tell him. You’re free to disagree, but that’s what my problem is.

Ultimately the movie makes up for it but I can see why Black Manta wasn’t a lot of people’s favorite.

All I've seen is "More Manta!"

 

[Flint Marko]

All I've seen is "More Manta!"

I’ve seen plenty of that as well and I also want to see more of him. I wasn’t trying to speak for the audience, just chiming in with my own experience.

 

[Patchwork Man]

I’ve seen plenty of that as well and I also want to see more of him. I wasn’t trying to speak for the audience, just chiming in with my own experience.

Same here. But how many "people" make up those who have personally told you they were less than impressed by Manta?

 

[frankgutz]

It did feel kinda forced, but i forgave it for sake of a story.... had the events happened and they missed out the handing over of the sword, instead jsut had father son dialogue along the way for those few minutes, his death still would have sucked and the audience or at least i would have been invested as i felt it was well acted and AM leaving him there was cold... regardless of what he is guilty of. Later in italy, BM could have held the sword to his throat and said to AM, 'my father gave me this, it was his father - he was the first scavanger of the seas, the first manta and he would be pleased to see this' as an example to explain if needed.
However, it was a good arc for Arthur and no longer letting people die, regardless.

How does it felt forced? Manta was working with Orm, Manta was doing Orm's dirty work while searching his revenge, while Orm was trying to create his army underseas, not that hard to understand. Orm needed AM dead to be the King and Manta wanted revenged

 

[Vaibow]

How does it felt forced? Manta was working with Orm, Manta was doing Orm's dirty work while searching his revenge, while Orm was trying to create his army underseas, not that hard to understand. Orm needed AM dead to be the King and Manta wanted revenged

Did you not read my whole post? The sword exchange moment during a deep sea heist.

 

[Manasrepublic]

I thought Black Manta was really cool and vicious. Even with a short origin his pain and anger were palpable. His costume is one of the best I have seen in a comic film and his action scenes were superb. Really looking forward to his next appearance

 

[frankgutz]

Did you not read my whole post? The sword exchange moment during a deep sea heist.

meh, stopped caring after that, why would i waste my time

 

[Vaibow]

meh, stopped caring after that, why would i waste my time

Because you would have understood that i was talking about the father son/sword exchange moment, not BM's entire arc.

Maybe stick to twitter if you can only handle 160 characters.

 

[frankgutz]

Because you would have understood that i was talking about the father son/sword exchange moment, not BM's entire arc.

Maybe stick to twitter if you can only handle 160 characters.

so sensitive lmao, who hurted you so bad

 

[Vaibow]

so sensitive lmao, who hurted you so bad

just reading your tag line... dick indeed.

 

[frankgutz]

just reading your tag line... dick indeed.

Chill dude, as if being passiveagressive and the twitter line isnt dick enough too

Didnt found that scene u talk about forced, father being proud of his son afther taking the submarine, BM's fater thought it was time to give the family's treasure to his son after the victory, it also worked as an introduction to the character since the knife had already the manta symbol/animal, your aproach of the scene in Italy with the knife on AM's neck and those lines would felt more forced

 

[Vaibow]

Chill dude, as if being passiveagressive and the twitter line isnt dick enough too

Didnt found that scene u talk about forced, father being proud of his son afther taking the submarine, BM's fater thought it was time to give the family's treasure to his son after the victory, it also worked as an introduction to the character since the knife had already the manta symbol/animal, your aproach of the scene in Italy with the knife on AM's neck and those lines would felt more forced

Don't disrespect then by saying 'why waste my time reading the rest of your post'? That doesn't come across as passive aggressive and start this? We can disagree on issues of a film and converse in a mature way...

I felt the tension of a heist, getting in and stealing a sub was not the best time to have a heart to heart about heritage and give him a sword.

I actual quite liked the scene, on it's own, it just felt out of place and made a scavanger that had killed sailors seem likeable and Arthur the bad guy for leaving him - i get it's the set up for BM and part of Arthur's learning.

 

[frankgutz]

Don't disrespect then by saying 'why waste my time reading the rest of your post'? That doesn't come across as passive aggressive and start this? We can disagree on issues of a film and converse in a mature way...

I felt the tension of a heist, getting in and stealing a sub was not the best time to have a heart to heart about heritage and give him a sword.

I actual quite liked the scene, on it's own, it just felt out of place and made a scavanger that had killed sailors seem likeable and Arthur the bad guy for leaving him - i get it's the set up for BM and part of Arthur's learning.

Agree, and i apologize for that

To be honest i didnt had an issue with that as i had with some "jokes", at least those weren't overused to the point i would hate the film

 

[Micromind]

I liked the introduction scene of BM with his father, it kind of organically integrates BM's origin in the movie by showing us glimpse of who he was before he became BM, now we know that his father was also a pirate.

Had they kept the introduction to BM for the sequel, it would have felt as if they are making some generic cbm where they need new villain for the story.

So now it's time we introduce you to Black Manta, a pirate on high Seas. I dunno, I prefer it the way they did it in this movie, where we also know that Orm was already using him for his plans and how BM get the Atlantean tech, which helped him make his iconic suit. I have read quite a few Aquaman comics but never got as comprehensive origin story for David Kane.

 

[Karelia]

Has anyone gathered a good logical explanation of how Arthur and Mera got out of the Sahara Desert? Just curious. It seemed to have really bothered one of my friends. And I really don't have an explanation for that one.

 

[Micromind]

Has anyone gathered a good logical explanation of how Arthur and Mera got out of the Sahara Desert? Just curious. It seemed to have really bothered one of my friends. And I really don't have an explanation for that one.

Didn't Arthur pay the pilot of the Plane in antique gold coins ? I assume he has more of those, which they could have used to hire a ride to Sicily.

In the movie, Arthur was shown in Plane, Boat and in JL even a pickup truck ! So, he prefers to travel as ordinary humans do whenever possible.

 

[harlequinade]

I assumed the pilot just circled back and picked them up