The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

El Mayimbe says if this comes close to the box office of The Batman it’ll get a sequel. Unfortunately it’s currently tracking to flop with a global $150m opening weekend.
 
kguillou said:
I’m willing to take 90 million as a “win” at this point, but damn 70 is harsh. Anything can happen though, it could have strong international legs that could carry it and this sounds like the kind of movie international audiences would dig.

It makes me wonder though, how low this movie would be tracking if it didnt have Keaton as a selling point, if it was just a straightforward Flash movie.
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I admit a LOT of my interest has to do with Keaton. I don't think I'd be as jazzed if it was just Flash by himself.
 
emc5466 said:
El Mayimbe says if this comes close to the box office of The Batman it’ll get a sequel. Unfortunately it’s currently tracking to flop with a global $150m opening weekend.
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Ehh I am in a bit of a crossroad, I of course want the film to do good, but not so astonishingly good that they feel the need to release a sequel, please just let Gunn clean reboot and be done with it (yes, I am aware Aquaman 2 is in the pipeline).
 
I swear what is it about DC movies that bring such polarized reactions out of people? :funny: The reviews for this thing are ALL over the map. This one in particular seems to have a "love it or hate it" kind of response from critics but almost every DC film of the past decade seems to bring out these extreme reactions from both spectrums. Like I've seen reviews praising this thing as easily one of the best DC movies of the past decade and some reviews that seem legitimately angry at this movie. Like BVS level angry. :funny: This is the kind of reaction you dont see with MCU movies, even the panned ones like Eternals and Antman and Thor Love and Thunder.

I'm wondering if its because these DC directors seem to be taking BIG swings with these movies and the thing with big swings is you either knock it out the park or you strike out.
 
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Superhero movie fatigue, bad CGI, dying franchise that nobody really likes (DCEU), Ezra Miller controversy. I won't be surprised if this bombs.

It's funny how WB still has to go through Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2. I honestly can't see any of these movies performing well at all. It's going to be a rough year for WB/DC.
 
kguillou said:
I swear what is it about DC movies that bring such polarized reactions out of people? :funny: The reviews for this this are ALL over the map. This one in particular seems like a love it or hate it kind of movie but almost every DC film of the past decade seems to bring out these extreme reactions from both spectrums. The kind you dont see with MCU movies, even the

I'm wondering if its because these DC directors seem to be taking BIG swings with these movies and the thing with big swings is you either knock it out the park or you strike out completely.
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No. The reason is because the entire universe was built on polarizing stories. If that is the foundation and it is hard to get past that once you start that way. Then they tried pivoting which in and of itself is polarizing because you are now going away from something that a large group liked to try and court the people who didn't like it. A necessary evil but if not done correctly can explode in your face badly which the DCEU did. Once that doesn't work the audience is going to be divided and the only way to get them back is a reboot.

If Wonder Woman is the first story told and that was more the tone of what was coming next you would see that the audience would be less up and down. There would be a trust built up and a tone that made sense. They started with MOS though which is a film even Superman fans are divided about and the general audience mostly rejected. (to put it mildly) Then they followed it up with BvS which (outside a pocket of fans which I count myself a part of) was a full on miss. While it is easy for some of us to get past that and grade each film on its own merit for many they can't get past how terrible most of the parts are.

As fans, we might want to delude ourselves into thinking this is because DCEU directors are taking bigger chances, but that is just spin. The truth is the reason the reactions are the way they are is because the creators aren't making good films. WW84 didn't fail to connect because of artistic choices, it failed because whoever wrote it decided to replace all of the heart with some of the dumbest and most cliche plots points imaginable. Snyder's films didn't fail because he is an auteur they failed because he sucks at storytelling. Black Adam didn't fail because the director took chances, it failed because it took zero chances and well just served zero purpose. The movies failed because, for the most part, they are just bad films that are only appealing to a small group of fans for various reasons. The DCEU is like The Last Jedi...there is some things about it that are well made, but they lost the plot and forgot why people see these films.

And here is the thing, I am one of those fans that love them for the most part. I am glad they take chances, its why I can't stand the Di$ney films. But the films are polarizing because of it and that is not going to change.
 
king666 said:
Superhero movie fatigue, bad CGI, dying franchise that nobody really likes (DCEU), Ezra Miller controversy. I won't be surprised if this bombs.

It's funny how WB still has to go through Blue Beetle and Aquaman 2. I honestly can't see any of these movies performing well at all. It's going to be a rough year for WB/DC.
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It won't Quantumania itself, just due to Keaton alone.

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But, won't be breaking any records.
 
dhandler01 said:
No. The reason is because the entire universe was built on polarizing stories. If that is the foundation and it is hard to get past that once you start that way. Then they tried pivoting which in and of itself is polarizing because you are now going away from something that a large group liked to try and court the people who didn't like it. A necessary evil but if not done correctly can explode in your face badly which the DCEU did. Once that doesn't work the audience is going to be divided and the only way to get them back is a reboot.

If Wonder Woman is the first story told and that was more the tone of what was coming next you would see that the audience would be less up and down. There would be a trust built up and a tone that made sense. They started with MOS though which is a film even Superman fans are divided about and the general audience mostly rejected. (to put it mildly) Then they followed it up with BvS which (outside a pocket of fans which I count myself a part of) was a full on miss. While it is easy for some of us to get past that and grade each film on its own merit for many they can't get past how terrible most of the parts are.

As fans, we might want to delude ourselves into thinking this is because DCEU directors are taking bigger chances, but that is just spin. The truth is the reason the reactions are the way they are is because the creators aren't making good films. WW84 didn't fail to connect because of artistic choices, it failed because whoever wrote it decided to replace all of the heart with some of the dumbest and most cliche plots points imaginable. Snyder's films didn't fail because he is an auteur they failed because he sucks at storytelling. Black Adam didn't fail because the director took chances, it failed because it took zero chances and well just served zero purpose. The movies failed because, for the most part, they are just bad films that are only appealing to a small group of fans for various reasons. The DCEU is like The Last Jedi...there is some things about it that are well made, but they lost the plot and forgot why people see these films.

And here is the thing, I am one of those fans that love them for the most part. I am glad they take chances, its why I can't stand the Di$ney films. But the films are polarizing because of it and that is not going to change.
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See I'm with you on most of what you said. I agree 100% that Marvel has shown us you have to build brand trust with the audience. If you do that then the audience will give you benefit of the doubt. Because the first Avengers was such a huge phenomenon it allowed the audience to take a chance on a movie with a talking tree and racoon. They trusted the brand and showed up to the movie and the movie happened to be good.

DC doesnt have that, each new movie is a wild card and lives or dies on how appealing it looks in its marketing to the public. I dont necessarily think, outside of our fandom, people look at these movies and go "ugh, more of this BvS crap that I didnt like." I dont know that the average joe even associates these movies as part of a shared universe, I think theres other factors at play here that are contributed to a general apathy from the general public to each new DC movie. And with ALL the marketing money WB threw at this movie to get its public awareness as high as possible, if they cant get this to a decent box office, then what exactly are they going to do differently for Superman Legacy or Gunn's new era of DC movies hats going to differentiate itself from these DCEU movies? Whats to prevent Superman Legacy, even if its a good movie, from being yet another underperforming DC movie?

Just thinkin' out loud here :D
 
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No they just say "That looks like another DC story that doesn't look fun". I had to stop talking about cbms with some of my friends because the second a DC character comes up it turns dark thanks to friggin Snyder.
 
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Karelia said:
Same man! When I went to look at tickets, the 7pm show was pretty much sold out. I prefer early showtimes at this point haha.


Probably just wear a Superman shirt lol!
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Speaking of, I'm in desperate need of new Batman shirts.
 
I think I might just go watch it on Friday after I leave work, just so I can see it and be over with it already. I feel like they've been marketing this movie since 2014.
 
Michael Keaton's scenes were my favorite thing about the movie.

Ezra Miller's performance was decent, but they are still wildly miscast as Barry Allen. Admittedly, the younger version of Barry, also played by Miller, made older Barry more likable.
 
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