The Amazing Spider-Man 2 The Amazing Spider-Man 2 General Discussion - - - Part 87

[Spider-Aziz]

Psst, that blog post mentions that audience misunderstood the promise just as Peter did: "Keep Gwen out of this", not "Stay away from Gwen". George kept his daughter out of it before going to help Spidey.

Just like he faked photos, he probably broke multiple promises in the comics, like the time he promised his aunt that he'd keep his eyes on her crippled gambling boyfriend, but he was occupied with another disturbance in a wrestling arena that happened while he was fulfilling his promise, and broke it halfway through, the "Promises you can't keep are the best kind" slogan that finale ended with is probably a riff on those, but it came in bad taste.

I came here to say how the last moments in the movie should be doctored to take out the bad taste, replace a few lines of dialogue:

At the Parker's doorstep
Gwen: "You didn't show, my teachers showed, Flash showed, but not you"
Peter: "I'm sorry, I couldn't.."
Gwen: "He made you do this, didn't he?"
Peter: "No, he made me promise to keep you away from enemies I'd make"
Gwen: "Then why didn't you show?"
Peter: "He died helping me, I couldn't save him, and...."
......
Peter: "I didn't know how you'd feel about me being there, I was afraid my presence would make you feel uncomfortable."
And then Aunt May tells Peter to invite her in, classroom moment about promises you can't keep removed.

 

[The Joker]

The audience didn't misunderstand a single thing. The fact Peter keeps seeing visions of Captain Stacy in the sequel out of guilt because he is blatantly breaking his promise couldn't be more obvious than if they spelled it out in 50 foot high letters in glowing neon.

He even says they are the best kind of promises to break. He makes a JOKE about breaking a promise to a dying man about the welfare of his own daughter. This Peter is an unlikable a-hole. PINO in every sense of the word.

Come to think of it, Garfield played Pino in this poor excuse for a movie didn't he? Peter Parker in name only. What sorta Parker acts like a jock on his graduation ceremony? What sorta Parker proudly claims promises are to be broken?

PINO that's who. LINO, EINO, and GINO sucked too.

Peter kissing Gwen at graduation is when I went "yep, they're not even trying to make him Peter Parker."

Exactly.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

"KEEP, GWEN, OUT, OF, THIS"
Yes, there was a huge misunderstanding, and I made it when the movie was new. The flashback in the sequel also has "Keep Gwen out of this", not "Stay away from Gwen"

This series is the only one to present the comic book version of Peter Parker and maintained it, he's nice, he can be a *****e, and he can misunderstand things, he's... relatable.

The only other movie to give us a comic version of Peter Parker is the first movie directed by Sam Raimi, they made him nicer than the first Webb film did. Spider-Man 2 gave us Ross Gellar, Spider-Man 3 gave us something between SM & SM2, and a mix of a dancing dork. Two sequels with a PINO.
Homecoming's marketing gave us another PINO. The movie itself might have a better Peter.

 

[The Joker]

Don't try and split hairs with pedantic meanings of a sentence. Keeping Gwen out of it means keeping her out of his life. Unless he stops being Spider-Man. Otherwise being with Peter means being part of his Spider-Man life because he is Spider-Man. Something the Raimi movies hammered home that being with Spider-Man means you are risking your life. But the difference was MJ knew the risks and accepted them.

Gwen in the comics died because of it, and she didn't even know she was dating Spider-Man. Which was part of the tragedy of her death, and the guilt Peter carried. But when Captain Stacy died he told Peter he knew who he was, and to look after her and be good to her. He never told her to stay away from her. Peter would never make any promise to anyone about something so serious, the nonchalantly break it, and even make a joke of it. Again this is why he kept seeing visions of Capt. Stacy in TASM 2. Because he was breaking his promise by being with Gwen. This is not an opinionated thing. It's a fact. That's why they have those scenes there. Otherwise why would Peter keep seeing Stacy if he had nothing to feel guilty about?

That is the biggest bastardization ever done to Peter Parker, and one of many things that makes the TASM version the ultimate PINO, and the only PINO on film.

 

[ItchyWebShooter]

I know, right? Never a jock, and never wanted to be with his girlfriend in England.

Oh wait.


Well, at least we can agree that in highschool he didn't have a girlfriend to kiss on stage during graduation, and he didn't live long enough to turn 17 in the Ultimate world where he had at least one girlfriend in highschool.

I love it lol.

I hate defending these movies, but the hate has become hyperbolic.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

@My dear friend; The Joker:

How is that splitting hairs? George is a family man, he made enemies as a cop, he didn't leave his family to keep them out of this. Gwen knew the risks and accepted them. MJ was getting kidnapped either way.

Gwen in the comics died because Norman knew, he wanted to find Peter, Gwen chose an unfortunate timing.

That's not a bastardization of a guy who broke multiple promises and faked photos on more than one occasion.

Dude, guys, why are you here if you don't like this series? Why even talk about it? All you do is waste your precious time on versions you dislike of cartoon characters. All we do here is go head to head on "I'm right" "No, I'm right" mutual "GRRRR" when it comes to this discussion.

 

[The Joker]

I know, right? Never a jock, and never wanted to be with his girlfriend in England.

Oh wait.

Btw what is this blog meant to prove here? I see two examples of Peter standing up for himself against Flash's bullying, and in one case he even feels bad that he lost his temper. I don't see him doing something like waltzing into a basketball court and going out of his way to humiliate Flash. That is what makes a jerk.

Faking a photo of Electro being Spider-Man, and saying in the same panel he feels terrible doing this and will make up for it somehow.

What am I missing here in relation to this validating Garfield's version?

@My dear friend; The Joker:

How is that splitting hairs? George is a family man, he made enemies as a cop, he didn't leave his family to keep them out of this. Gwen knew the risks and accepted them. MJ was getting kidnapped either way.

Gwen in the comics died because Norman knew, he wanted to find Peter, Gwen chose an unfortunate timing.

That's not a bastardization of a guy who broke multiple promises and faked photos on more than one occasion.

Dude, guys, why are you here if you don't like this series? Why even talk about it? All you do is waste your precious time on versions you dislike of cartoon characters. All we do here is go head to head on "I'm right" "No, I'm right" mutual "GRRRR" when it comes to this discussion.

My dear friend Aziz, as a superhero fan I can't believe you even asked such a question. It's splitting hairs because all Cops make the same risks and do the same job. The difference is they are not a one man army taking down legions of criminals solo. For example, are you trying to tell me the Sinister Six hated Captain Stacy or any other Cop as much as they did Spidey lol?

Gwen died because she was with Peter. If she wasn't, Norman wouldn't have touched her. Being with Spider-Man means you're a weakness his enemies would exploit if they find out about you. And Norman did. Simple as.

We're here because we're Spider-Man fans and we enjoy discussing all aspects of the character, even the bad ones. I mean come on, don't you ever get tired of asking that question? The answer is always the same. This is a discussion forum, not a fan forum. If you want fan only posts then stick to the 'I loved ASM 2' thread. Because the criticisms will never go away with this horrendous series. It's always going to get flak.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Eerrrrmmm.
I ran out of things to say, I'll laugh like a dork and call it a day.

 

[The Joker]

Can I have a bro hug before you go?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Sure.

And till next time.

 

[The Joker]

 

[Spidey_62]

I feel like I should rewatch this movie and the 1st Amazing movie before Homecoming comes out to hopefully appreciate how far we've come in 3 years. This movie could be looked at in the future with Batman & Robin levels of appreciation because it feels more like a Spider-Man movie that would have been made in the late 90s rather than one from 2014.

I just don't understand how things got so backwards for this, hell I rewatched that deleted scene with Peter's dad and I don't understand how that idea got that far that they shot it. That's a few shooting days wasted on that terrible idea, and the scene is film student quality with that stupid pan around to his dad standing there. Andrew gave it his all in that scene but the dad is so bad. As a Spider-Man fan I'm offended they got that far with an idea like that. But the last time I watched this movie in 2015 I spent most of the time laughing at it because I had some solace knowing the Sony/Marvel deal was a thing.

 

[Kreem Pi]

Let's give this film the credit it deserves: it's insanely funny. I doubt MCU's Spider-man shall live up to its sheer humor, despite the bloated hype. How do you top a drugged up German scientist listening to classical music while torturing Electro? How do you top Electro's birthday ballad? No one ever will.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I know, right? Never a jock, and never wanted to be with his girlfriend in England.

Oh wait.

Well, at least we can agree that in highschool he didn't have a girlfriend to kiss on stage during graduation, and he didn't live long enough to turn 17 in the Ultimate world where he had at least one girlfriend in highschool.

"KEEP, GWEN, OUT, OF, THIS"
Yes, there was a huge misunderstanding, and I made it when the movie was new. The flashback in the sequel also has "Keep Gwen out of this", not "Stay away from Gwen"

This series is the only one to present the comic book version of Peter Parker and maintained it, he's nice, he can be a *****e, and he can misunderstand things, he's... relatable.

The only other movie to give us a comic version of Peter Parker is the first movie directed by Sam Raimi, they made him nicer than the first Webb film did. Spider-Man 2 gave us Ross Gellar, Spider-Man 3 gave us something between SM & SM2, and a mix of a dancing dork. Two sequels with a PINO.
Homecoming's marketing gave us another PINO. The movie itself might have a better Peter.

@My dear friend; The Joker:

How is that splitting hairs? George is a family man, he made enemies as a cop, he didn't leave his family to keep them out of this. Gwen knew the risks and accepted them. MJ was getting kidnapped either way.

Gwen in the comics died because Norman knew, he wanted to find Peter, Gwen chose an unfortunate timing.

That's not a bastardization of a guy who broke multiple promises and faked photos on more than one occasion.

Dude, guys, why are you here if you don't like this series? Why even talk about it? All you do is waste your precious time on versions you dislike of cartoon characters. All we do here is go head to head on "I'm right" "No, I'm right" mutual "GRRRR" when it comes to this discussion.

Fighting the good fight (though I wouldn't waste my time as its a never ending cycle that just reeks of wanting to gain some kind of internet points ).

That Ross Gellar comparison to Peter in Spider-Man 2 had me spitting out my 7-UP.

 

[TMC1982]

Franchise Killers: The Amazing Spider-Man 2

 

[Dizzy McCool]

Y'know, the more I think of it, the more I found some enjoyment in ASM2.

There were some good things in this horrid mess of a film. I suppose that is the hardest thing to accept that this film had potential and wasted it completely. I'll take this over ASM1. Funny, I also compared my thoughts on those two films to that of The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, I enjoyed TPM moreso than AOTC.

 

[Spider-Fan]

To those saying Peter is likable, do likable people just to show off walk in front of traffic and cause accidents that, you know, the car owners have to pay for? I bet the dents they got on their cars was well worth it cause Gwen smiled

Peter in these movies is a jerk, and not in a likable way.

 

[Herofan]

Gwen in the comics died because of it, and she didn't even know she was dating Spider-Man. Which was part of the tragedy of her death, and the guilt Peter carried. But when Captain Stacy died he told Peter he knew who he was, and to look after her and be good to her. He never told her to stay away from her. Peter would never make any promise to anyone about something so serious, the nonchalantly break it, and even make a joke of it.

It was arguably too flippant but I don't know if it was an outright joke. That movie version of Peter Parker was fairly estranged from his elders in general and also had George making him promise under duress and Gwen knowing and feeling it wasn't a valid promise.

Again this is why he kept seeing visions of Capt. Stacy in TASM 2. Because he was breaking his promise by being with Gwen. This is not an opinionated thing. It's a fact. That's why they have those scenes there. Otherwise why would Peter keep seeing Stacy if he had nothing to feel guilty about?

Well the sequel does show him, due to the guilt, breaking up with her and also suggest that he had broken up with her or at least strongly thought about doing so with her before, that he generally wasn't flippant.

 

[Herofan]

This movie could be looked at in the future with Batman & Robin levels of appreciation because it feels more like a Spider-Man movie that would have been made in the late 90s rather than one from 2014.

At most/worst Batman Forever levels . But maybe also reflect that fan expectations had risen a lot since the '90s and become a lot less accepting of comic relief and goofiness in the villains.

 

[Kreem Pi]

And a lot less tolerant of cinematic dung.

 

[TMC1982]

At most/worst Batman Forever levels . But maybe also reflect that fan expectations had risen a lot since the '90s and become a lot less accepting of comic relief and goofiness in the villains.

Worst to First: Ranking the Spider-Man Movies

 

[Chesterfield]

I can't believe this film had a budget close to $300Million! Ridiculous.

 

[Spidey_62]

Watching this movie again before seeing Homecoming really helped me appreciate Homecoming on that level, too!

 

[Flint Marko]

To those saying Peter is likable, do likable people just to show off walk in front of traffic and cause accidents that, you know, the car owners have to pay for? I bet the dents they got on their cars was well worth it cause Gwen smiled

Peter in these movies is a jerk, and not in a likable way.

Garfield's Peter is the worst iteration of Spider-man I've ever seen so I agree wholeheartedly, but what is the bolded referring to? It's been a minute since I watched ASM 2 in it's entirety.

 

[Kreem Pi]

It was a thoughtless "who cares about the implication it just looks cool" scene. A very Snydery mindset.