The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 1

[©KAW]

A reboot, and a 4th Spider-Man film making 614M in 3 weeks ain't bad at all. I had it clocking out around 500M.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Nominated for what exactly? TDKR is no TDK, it simply doesn't deserve it on any of the key categories.

Right, TKDR was no TDK; it was actually better, imo.

 

[©KAW]

It was a convoluted bombardment on my senses.

 

[Anno_Domini]

That's cool bro.

I enjoyed the film immensely.

 

[©KAW]

T'was fun, but a great movie it was far from.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Fully disagree.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

TDKR SHOULD still be nominated for Best Film. It was that good.

But what about the plot holes derp

but seriously, I agree

 

[Jexx]

I like mervies

 

[Spiderdevil]

Err.. Pedro, I don't mind you disliking TDKR, but it got 160 mil opening weekend, I don't see how it'll have problems breaking even.

Its a 250M movie plus 150M advertisement which puts its total budget at 400M
Yeah I dont think it'll have problems breaking even but it wont be as profitable as TDK

And its still very far from the profit TA made and didnt shatter the records like people expected

 

[Spiderdevil]

Err, ten years? Doubtful. Warner Brothers are already thinking about the reboot.

With amount of bashing sony got for rebooting the movie in just 5 years,Warner will definitely wait more than that,which means there wont be a batman movie till atleast 2018,and by then the spidey trilogy will be done

And isn't Avengers 2 coming out in 2015?

There is still the phase 2 of MCU movie to be completed before they start working on TA2,I think it'll take longer than that

Which means apart from Superman,there isnt much to challenge spidey in the superhero arena

 

[Spiderdevil]

Adjusting WW numbers for inflation and taking production budgets in account would probably help for a better comparision.

Agreed

Then again, considering TASM's production budget and the fact that the studio will only get between 10% & 15% of it's overseas gross makes the movie a lot less profitable than the two Iron Man movie wich both made more than 300 millions domestically (and were produced for under 200 millions).

IM2 had a budget of 200M,which would be around the same as TASM's budget adjusted for inflation,TASM will probably end up earning more than that but the main point is that IM2 was a sequel,I expect TASM2 to earn lot more than IM2 did

Once again you should have adjusted the numbers. None of those reboots had expensive 3D showings to help.

And Sony spent money to record in 3D which added to its Budget,I dont see why you consider 3D earnings out of the equation

And none of them was produced for more than 200 millions.

And none of them are even close to earning 500M WW let alone 620M

And considering that terrible 10 millions (-68%) 3rd week-end I have yet to see TASM's topping Star Trek.

The shooting incident has something to do with that,It would probably end as 250M domestic which is 7M short of StarTrek's domestic,and it has earned more than 3 times Star Trek's overseas as it is.
Plus TASM's budget is just about 50M more than Star Trek's(After considering inflation)

And even though that may very well happen, except for James Bond with the financially successful but poorly received Die Another Day, none of those franchise can fairly be compared to Spider-Man. Batman was pretty much dead before Batman Begins, the last Star Trek movie to gross over 100 millions domestically was released back in 1986. And yet Casino Royale managed to make more money than any of its predecessors. That's pleasing old and new fans while TASM is a step back in ticket sales from the Raimi trilogy.

The making-more-than-Predecessors argument is weak as none of those movies had a mountain to climb earn more than the previous installment like TASM had to do

First off, TASM was nowhere near as well received as Batman Begins back in 2005.

And BB is nowhere near to the money TASM earned

Secondly, if Sony keeps on heavily interfering with the creative crew during the production process (numbers suggest they will), I highly doubt that a "TDK quality" sequel is even possible. And without a huge buzz, those numbers (500 millions and more domestically) are just unreachable.

Dont state your opinion like its a fact.
SM2 delivered the goods,there is no reason to think why TASM2 cant

 

[Spiderdevil]

I think boxoffice shows people are not as interested on this movie than previous Raimi's movies.

Because a lot fan base has been taken by Avengers and Batman,which wont be around when the sequel comes out

Domestic - 230M so far, should've been higher.

International - Wikipeda says 614M, but let's be honest, the movie would make insane amount of money internationally whether it's good or bad movie because it's SPIDERMAN.

Lets be honest,it was ridiculous to expect it to earn more than 700M WW since sony chose the worst possible time to release the movie,right between 2 comic book heavy weights

 

[sontin]

Lets be honest,it was ridiculous to expect it to earn more than 700M WW since sony chose the worst possible time to release the movie,right between 2 comic book heavy weights

The movie has 3D which is a huge bonus oversea. Pirates 4 did more than 75% of the business outside of the domestic market and increased the number over At World's End. TASM will not catch SM 3.

If you exclude the 3D bonus it would fall under the 600M mark. A huge decline from the Raimi trilogy.

 

[grieven]

The movie has 3D which is a huge bonus oversea. Pirates 4 did more than 75% of the business outside of the domestic market and increased the number over At World's End. TASM will not catch SM 3.

If you exclude the 3D bonus it would fall under the 600M mark. A huge decline from the Raimi trilogy.

Comparing to Pirates 4 is nonsensical, it is the 4th chapter of an immensely popular franchise with the main actor returning, where TAS is the first chapter of a rebooted franchise with all new actors.

And why would you exclude TAS' 3D to make a point? Fact is it was shot as and released as a 3D movie, so why would you want to exclude it as a factor? That's like saying TDK would have made $200 million less without Heath Ledger's performance. What service does a statement like that provide?

 

[Bruce Malone]

3D created an extra surcharge nobody had to pay extra to see heath ledger in that ridiculous comparison you made. He's saying a good deal less people have actually bought tickets to see the film than the numbers suggest.

I've mentioned this a few times but without a response but haven't reboots almost always made more money than the previous film in the last franchise?

Begins, Star trek, Royale, TIH all made more money than the films they rebooted.

 

[Spiderdevil]

The movie has 3D which is a huge bonus oversea. Pirates 4 did more than 75% of the business outside of the domestic market and increased the number over At World's End. TASM will not catch SM 3.

If you exclude the 3D bonus it would fall under the 600M mark. A huge decline from the Raimi trilogy.

Why should the 3D be excluded?
They spent money to film in 3D and they deserve that profit

And the pirate comparison would have made sense if this was SM4 which it isnt

 

[Spiderdevil]

I've mentioned this a few times but without a response but haven't reboots almost always made more money than the previous film in the last franchise?

Begins, Star trek, Royale, TIH all made more money than the films they rebooted.

Highest Grossing Batman movie before BB was the 1989 movie which earned 411M and BB earned 370M,last I checked 370 was less than 411

The highest grossing Star trek movie before the 2009 was the 1979 movie which earned 140 Million more than trippling its budget,was it too much to expect the 2009 movie to earn more than 140M when it took 150M to produce it??

Ang Lee's Hulk earned 245 M in 2003 while TIH earned 263 in 2008,adjusted for Inflation the 2003 movie has grossed more,dont see where is the improvement

About Casino Royal,nope again,Adjusted for inflation,there are 5 bond films which have done better box office wise
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond_in_film#Box_office_results

 

[Bruce Malone]

I meant films as the individual films that came out right before the reboot. I was referring to the previous batman, star trek and bond film that came out right before the reboot.

Only TIH didn't turn out to be a big improvement but still grossed more nonadjusted. TASM has seen a big drop more so if you do indeed adjust for inflation from the last spider-man film.

My point is most recent reboots have tried to be more successful or at least as successful as the last film they are following.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I meant films as the individual films that came out right before the reboot. I was referring to the previous batman, star trek and bond film that came out right before the reboot.

Only TIH didn't turn out to be a big improvement but still grossed more nonadjusted. TASM has seen a big drop more so if you do indeed adjust for inflation from the last spider-man film.

My point is most recent reboots have tried to be more successful or at least as successful as the last film they are following.

Thats a ridiculous comparison
Star Trek movie before the 2009 one earned 67M from a 60M budget
Batman and Robin earned 230M from a 130M budget
Do you consider beating those pathetic numbers as an achivement?
TIH didnt better the 2003 movie's number taking inflation into consideration and even if you dont,both the movies earnings are pathetic
Even First class didnt better Xmen-Wolverine's earnings

Only Casino Royal did a better job

My point being that TASM had a huge mountain to climb if it wanted to better SM3 which earned close to 900M unlike the movies you mentioned which hardly had any challenge to beat the last movie's gross and even then 2 of them failed

 

[Bruce Malone]

You can look at it as a ridiculous comparison but i look at it in the opposite way. Which is easier following a film with a massive built in audience or starting from the ground up coming from bombs or near dead franchises to work your way to very good numbers as begins and Star Trek did?

My point still remains nobody makes a reboot to do worst than the last time regardless of how much the previous films made. Sony for sure wanted to recapture the spider-man gold of the raimi series.

ps. I don't consider first class a reboot even, it's pretty much a direct prequel to the 1st 2 x-mens continuity errors aside (but that's for another thread).

 

[Spiderdevil]

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[Spiderdevil]

You can look at it as a ridiculous comparison but i look at it in the opposite way. Which is easier following a film with a massive built in audience or starting from the ground up coming from bombs or near dead franchises to work your way to very good numbers as begins and Star Trek did?

Researching more about reboots

The Punisher war zone didnt gross more than 2004 movie
A nightmare on elm street didnt gross more than freddy vs jason and neither did friday the 13th
The Winnie the pooh reboot didnt earn more than the 2005 movie
Predators didnt earn more than Aliens vs Predetors
Conan the barbarian didnt earn more than the 1982 movie
New Police Story didnt earn more than Police Story 4
Dirty Dancing didnt earn more than the 1987 movie
Add on to that TIH didnt make more than the Ang Lee's version
Neither did first class

So your logic that the reboots have 'almost always' made more money than the last movie in the previous franchise is COMPLETELY false

BB beat B&R which was a terrible movie to start with,The Batman fan base was always huge so it isnt as if that Nolan build it up from zero though he still did a good job reigniting interest in Batman

Star Trek did a good job

Casino royale again like BB didnt build the fanbase from nil(But still did a good job with the movie)

My point still remains nobody makes a reboot to do worst than the last time regardless of how much the previous films made. Sony for sure wanted to recapture the spider-man gold of the raimi series.

Nope,Arad did say he didnt expect the same numbers as the previous movies
Sony also released a statement saying the how they were very pleased with the numbers they are getting

 

[AvengeME]

I think what is clear, all things considered, is that the film more or less met the expectations of the studio. It didn't neccessarily exceed them in flying colors. It wasn't neccessarily a massive dissappointment either. Maybe you can sway a little right or left to that barmometer, but you more or less end up at the same place of what people realistically expected.

What it means is that Sony has the cash to pay the bills and put food on the table for a while. It does not secure them for the long haul, and if this was the one franchise they were banking on to put them over the top, then they should be dissappointed. If they were simply expecting decent profits and bigger returns for the sequels, then the case is still out.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Its a 250M movie plus 150M advertisement which puts its total budget at 400M
Yeah I dont think it'll have problems breaking even but it wont be as profitable as TDK

And its still very far from the profit TA made and didnt shatter the records like people expected

Which is not TDKR's fault. The expectations were high, but we all know what happened.

With amount of bashing sony got for rebooting the movie in just 5 years,Warner will definitely wait more than that,which means there wont be a batman movie till atleast 2018,and by then the spidey trilogy will be done

You really think some bashing is going to keep the studio from working on a reboot? Harry Potter is gone and Man of Steel may still be a hit or miss(which I doubt it'll be awful, but still), WB will start work on a reboot soon.

There is still the phase 2 of MCU movie to be completed before they start working on TA2,I think it'll take longer than that

Which means apart from Superman,there isnt much to challenge spidey in the superhero arena

Do you know the schedule for Phase 2? The films are set to be released in 2013 and 2014, leaving 2015 wide open. Besides, be thankful it will be 2015, because if everything goes to plan for Sony, TAS-M 3 will probably be released in 2016 and then if Avengers 2 is released in that year again, then that will definitely cut TAS-M 3's legs that year.

 

[chaseter]

Why are people comparing WW numbers to movies 5-6 years ago with ASM? Each year, the WW market gets larger. No dur ASM is going to have a bigger WW tally than Iron Man.