The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[Spider-Fan]

Steeper drops is due to tougher competition and the shooting and ofcourse BB being better received

And for a film's sequel to increase in BO revenue, it has to be well received. This movie got a decent reception, but far from great. Movies with decent reception don't become billion dollar franchises. They stay at their equilibrium.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Webb did a good job but not an extraordinary one so why are you overrating him so much?
Whoever will be the new director,he has same chances as Webb of making a better sequel with the origin done away with

Because 500 Days of Summer is a great movie, and given it wasn't his script, his edit, and he said he wasn't happy with it, it came out REALLY well. The movie really didn't have much going for it, plot wise it was bland, the editing was choppy, there were tons of subplots that were forgotten, but he did such a good job making you care for Peter and Gwen that the movie turned out okay.

 

[Picard Sisko]

And for a film's sequel to increase in BO revenue, it has to be well received. This movie got a decent reception, but far from great. Movies with decent reception don't become billion dollar franchises. They stay at their equilibrium.

So the Transformers movies are well received? Dark of the Moon passed the billion dollar mark, so are you saying money determines the film's quality?

 

[LegendAssemble]

And for a film's sequel to increase in BO revenue, it has to be well received. This movie got a decent reception, but far from great. Movies with decent reception don't become billion dollar franchises. They stay at their equilibrium.

Thats not necessarily true. Honestly the majority of it is up in the air, the marketing has to be right, the current events have to be in it's favor, the word of mouth has to be right. Batman didn't become a billion dollar franchise because Begins was good, most people I know saw begins after Dark Knight. It had an extraordinary viral campaign and the death of Heath Ledger sealed the deal.

 

[Spider-Fan]

So the Transformers movies are well received? Dark of the Moon passed the billion dollar mark, so are you saying money determines the film's quality?

In regard to the general public, yes it was. The film is only hated by us on here and critics. And once again, I did NOT say BO = quality. What I said was BO determines public interest and how well the general public liked it. Those are two different things. Quality is in the eye of the beholder. But, films that people by and large hated don't make money.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thats not necessarily true. Honestly the majority of it is up in the air, the marketing has to be right, the current events have to be in it's favor, the word of mouth has to be right. Batman didn't become a billion dollar franchise because Begins was good, most people I know saw begins after Dark Knight. It had an extraordinary viral campaign and the death of Heath Ledger sealed the deal.

TDK is a unique case. That film had a tragic event, topped with a performance hyped to have been one of the best film performances ever in a film on top of the return of one of the most popular characters in pop culture coming back to the big screen for the first time in nearly 20 years. Ledger was a big part of it, but it was more than that. Plus, Nolan is being hyped as the next big named director. Webb currently is not.

 

[Picard Sisko]

In regard to the general public, yes it was. The film is only hated by us on here and critics. And once again, I did NOT say BO = quality. What I said was BO determines public interest and how well the general public liked it. Those are two different things. Quality is in the eye of the beholder. But, films that people by and large hated don't make money.

How do you know that? I don't know anyone that actually likes the Transformers movies in person.

Right now we can't determine anything about the sequel to TASM's box office performance. Heck, look at the MCU films. None of the solo movies made that much money, but the Avengers did amazing in the box office.

 

[Picard Sisko]

And seriously, who cares about the sequel earning a billion dollars or not? I see we are back to the TASM vs. BB argument again.

 

[Spider-Fan]

How do you know that? I don't know anyone that actually likes the Transformers movies in person.

The "your friends" test honestly is not a good sample. That will always just justify your bias to yourself because people pick friends who mostly share their viewpoints/way of thinking. Just because you have no friends that liked Transformers doesn't mean that they're not popular. Conversely, I know tons of people who liked them. But, that is of no importance. But, the fact all those films made tons of money shows that even after people saw the previous film, there was MORE interest in the sequel. That shows a gain in the audience, not a decline. So yes, people by and large liked them enough to keep seeing the next film. This is coming from someone who thought Transformers 2 was the biggest piece of crap ever, before anyone calls me a Bayformers lover.

Right now we can't determine anything about the sequel to TASM's box office performance. Heck, look at the MCU films. None of the solo movies made that much money, but the Avengers did amazing in the box office.

Avengers was also marketed brilliantly. Disney made the public feel like it was a once in a lifetime event. It was the first crossover film of this scale, and Disney made sure EVERYONE knew about it. TASM2 is just another Spider-Man movie, possibly without the director returning (which could lead to a drastic shift in where the story was going). For that movie to become a BO giant, Sony needs to make it an event, and I don't think they will be able to. If they can't, TASM2 will make the same ballpark for BO as TASM.

 

[Picard Sisko]

The "your friends" test honestly is not a good sample. That will always just justify you're bias to yourself because people pick friends who mostly share their viewpoints/way of thinking. Just because you have no friends that liked Transformers doesn't mean that they're not popular. Conversely, I know tons of people who liked them. But, that is of no importance. But, the fact all those films made tons of money shows that even after people saw the previous film, there was MORE interest in the sequel. That shows a gain in the audience, not a decline. So yes, people by and large liked them enough to keep seeing the next film. This is coming from someone who thought Transformers 2 was the biggest piece of crap ever, before anyone calls me a Bayformers lover.

I don't pick friends who mostly share my viewpoints. In fact, out of my group of friends, I'm the only one who is interested in comic books. The last time I met someone who liked Transformers was back in high school.

Avengers was also marketed brilliantly. Disney made the public feel like it was a once in a lifetime event. It was the first crossover film of this scale, and Disney made sure EVERYONE knew about it. TASM2 is just another Spider-Man movie, possibly without the director returning (which could lead to a drastic shift in where the story was going). For that movie to become a BO giant, Sony needs to make it an event, and I don't think they will be able to. If they can't, TASM2 will make the same ballpark for BO as TASM.

TASM2 doesn't have to be an event to make over a billion dollars. I wouldn't exactly call Transformers 3, Alice in Wonderland, and 2 pirates of the caribbean movies events. Chances are it won't make that much, but I can see it making around $700-$800 million worldwide.

Honestly, I don't care about a film being "an event." I prefer a smaller film with better quality.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Is it perhaps possible that maybe spider-man may have run its time somewhat? I mean assuming the 2014 date sticks we will be going on 5 spider-man films in in a period of 12 years.

Maybe people are just getting a little tired of the guy? Its foreign number have remained decent due to the foreign market catching onto spider fever a little later on (with spider-man 3 of all films) but domestic numbers have started to lag.

At a certain point maybe it's a case of just being there too much without creating that sense of longing by the public.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Eventually Spider-Man won't be a huge cash grab, and Sony will have to decide to either sell the rights back to Marvel/Disney or do some kind of deal with them to make Spider-Man more exciting to the general audiences. Personally, I will never get tired of Spider-Man on the big screen since I'm a long time Spidey fan.

 

[Anno_Domini]

So did TASM

You're slow.

When I said "more", I meant more than TAS-M. $55 million > $22 million.

And don't bring up the foreign numbers for your defense because I am aware of those numbers. We're talking about the domestic numbers at the moment.

TASM Domestic Gross-252M
Ice Age Domestic Gross-134M
End of story,not even a comparison
And Avengers has 5 movies before it and TDKR had 2..So not even a fair comparison

Yah, great, so domestically TAS-M is doing a stand up job between the two, but worldwide grosses, not so much, which I am referring to on this one. Seriously, I bring up one gross and you bring up the other. Stay on track with what I'm talking about dude.

Refresh your maths
252>134

Once again...this whole discussion started when I was referring to worldwide gross

You established your credibility with that 10/10...

I know my rating system is amazing

So one fellow wrote an article and the whole forum should change their opinion because of it
Makes sense

No...but I am pleased that the realistic posters are at least aware of this FACT. Maybe you should too?

Says someone who has never touched a Spider Man comic

It's lovely that you have a grand imagination. I HAVE read Spidey comics and I'm AWARE of what comic Kevin Smith has written

and whose nitpicks are hilarious..

Ahh, like Bruce's climb? Or saying Batman shouldn't rely on his gadgets?

'Why wasnt there an investigation'

There should be...I don't see how it's a nitpick when I just ask a question?

'Why didnt Jameson get injured'

Valid.

'Why did he shower' LOL

A remark that you seem to finally understand. So should I say 'LOL' to you since you finally understand my point?

 

[Anno_Domini]

Is it perhaps possible that maybe spider-man may have run its time somewhat? I mean assuming the 2014 date sticks we will be going on 5 spider-man films in in a period of 12 years.

Well, definitely. Let alone it's a reboot that a lot of people call to be unnecessary, it is, as you've said, four films within ten years and it will be five films within twelve years. If we go by the possible idea that people are tired of Spider-Man at the moment...there's no telling what the domestic numbers will be for the sequel.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I think they movies will make enough to produce two more sequels. After that, if Sony sees there is no more profit in Spider-Man, they might just sell the rights back to Marvel.

 

[Themanofbat]

I liked the Transformer movies... and I thought I'd hate them... and I'm 44 years old... 3 was better than 2, which was also better than 1... and I have lots of friends in their 30's who liked the Transformer movies...

See? I can use the "my friends" argument in the opposite way... and my statements are true...

 

[Themanofbat]

Sony has an open-ended deal with Disney... though I'm not sure what that means "exactly"... though I'm positive that Sony only has Spider-Man for 6 movies (total)

 

[Picard Sisko]

Sony has an open-ended deal with Disney... though I'm not sure what that means "exactly"... though I'm positive that Sony only has Spider-Man for 6 movies (total)

If that's true, then this trilogy will be there last.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Speaking of films being "events," if Sony decides to make a sinister six movie, that would no doubt be HUGE.

 

[Themanofbat]

I doubt that Sony would be willing to use Doc Ock...

 

[Picard Sisko]

I doubt that Sony would be willing to use Doc Ock...

I doubt the sinister six would be used in this trilogy, but if they decided to go that route they would be more than happy to use Doc Ock.

 

[Mr. Dent]

If they can't, TASM2 will make the same ballpark for BO as TASM.

Which isn't bad. Honestly, this whole debate is pretty ridiculous and meaningless. So what if the new Spider-Man series is sub-$1b? $700m is still great and nothing short of amazing earnings especially for a movie that has received as much criticism as this reboot. It's pretty ridiculous that we're now at the point that so many people think the only way Spider-Man can be considered a true "success" is if it grosses over a billion dollars. The average revenue for any superhero movie to be considered successful and sequel-worthy is around $350m, TASM will end up doing twice that even with the onus of being stuck between two gigantic "event" movies the likes of which we've never seen. Spider-Man is still phenomenon status especially overseas and despite what some of you may say about $1b being "event status" TASM was by all means an event movie even if it was minor in comparison to The Avengers and TDKR. We really have to get this ridiculous notion out of our heads that Sony is sweating bullets just because it "only" made $700m. I'm pretty sure they're comfortable with that and are looking forward to even higher earnings with this next film as the competition won't be as strong (Spidy outweighs any of the other 4-5 movies coming out 2014) and the movie won't be unfairly panned as being "more of what we've seen".

 

[socool]

I don't know why people here care how much money this movie makes. It's getting a sequel, that should be the end of the discussion. It's not like any of us here will get a cut of the profits, so who really gives a **** what it makes by this point? This is such a dumb argument.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I just don't see the domestic downwards profits trend for spider-man ending with the next sequel. Sony is really going to have to think hard about what do with the franchise if that's the case.

I see you guys already talking about ideas for a possible reboot and i just can't see what sony will do to get more ppl excited for the sequel to tasm? The home video market is also not what it was like in the middle of last the last decade.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Which isn't bad. Honestly, this whole debate is pretty ridiculous and meaningless. So what if the new Spider-Man series is sub-$1b? $700m is still great and nothing short of amazing earnings especially for a movie that has received as much criticism as this reboot. It's pretty ridiculous that we're now at the point that so many people think the only way Spider-Man can be considered a true "success" is if it grosses over a billion dollars. The average revenue for any superhero movie to be considered successful and sequel-worthy is around $350m, TASM will end up doing twice that even with the onus of being stuck between two gigantic "event" movies the likes of which we've never seen. Spider-Man is still phenomenon status especially overseas and despite what some of you may say about $1b being "event status" TASM was by all means an event movie even if it was minor in comparison to The Avengers and TDKR. We really have to get this ridiculous notion out of our heads that Sony is sweating bullets just because it "only" made $700m. I'm pretty sure they're comfortable with that and are looking forward to even higher earnings with this next film as the competition won't be as strong (Spidy outweighs any of the other 4-5 movies coming out 2014) and the movie won't be unfairly panned as being "more of what we've seen".

I don't know why people here care how much money this movie makes. It's getting a sequel, that should be the end of the discussion. It's not like any of us here will get a cut of the profits, so who really gives a **** what it makes by this point? This is such a dumb argument.

I just don't see the domestic downwards profits trend for spider-man ending with the next sequel. Sony is really going to have to think hard about what do with the franchise if that's the case.

I see you guys already talking about ideas for a possible reboot and i just can't see what sony will do to get more ppl excited for the sequel to tasm? The home video market is also not what it was like in the middle of last the last decade.

Well they definitely will be able to make at least two more movies. There are many things they can do to make ppl more excited for the TASM2. It just has to be epic, or big. The origin held back the movie and created many restrictions. But that's over, so they can just make another Spider-Man film and continue with the story. Have a major main villain, and a side villain is one way of doing it (three is overdoing it, as SM3 showed us).

After the trilogy is complete, and the domestic gross keeps on getting lower, then Sony will have no choice but to make a deal with Marvel or hand over the film rights entirely.