The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 3

[chaseter]

He also thinks he's god's gift to Earth so that comparison holds true.

 

[Spider-Who?]

The well is already poisoned. And we're all drinking from it as if it's the only sustenance on Earth (The Avengers, Transformers, Piarates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man 3, etc.) all huge movies...but let's face it, we love crap! I don't need analogies or comparisons to musicals. I completely realize what The Avengers is, another big dumb popcorn flick by Marvel Studio movies, who never utilizes their classic character's potential with the talents on film, nothing more and nothing less.

The Buffy director is the new Michael Bay...I stand by that. And I wonder what he's going to do to improve The Avengers with the sequel. My guess is, instead of having a 50 minute action sequence, he'll probably rev it up to an hour and a half. And you all will call it the greatest film ever made, no doubt about it.

I'll agree that the Marvel films - while good for what they are - in the end suffer from being "cookie cutter" in design, story, and scope. Lowest Common Denominator film-making (which sounds like a huge slam, but I don't intend it to be). I'd like to see the cast and crew have the freedom to really dig into these characters, make them more character pieces, or at least deeper than what they currently are. (Again, I've greatly enjoyed the MCU films, but just desire something more from them).

As for Whedon, I disagree that he's Michael Bay. Yes, he nailed the action and huge summer spectacle, but plenty of other directors have in the past. Does that common trait make them Michael Bay as well? Whedon is a very good director outside of action and Avengers really could have suffered due to the massive amounts of history and characters thrown into it. I think Whedon did the best he could with the restrictions he had. The Avengers is not a deep film by any means, but I greatly enjoyed the film without having to make excuses for any faults, unlike most of Bay's films.

 

[chaseter]

If the Marvel movies are cookie cutter...then what is ASM? Revolutionary story telling?

 

[grieven]

If the Marvel movies are cookie cutter...then what is ASM? Revolutionary story telling?

Not sure I'd use revolutionary as the term, but it breaks from the pack and tells a genuine heartfelt and intimate story around one of the biggest superheroes - one of the first for a comic book movie and different from the cookie-cutter Marvel movies. Absolutely.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Iron Man and Avengers did not feel "cookie cutter" to me. MAYBEs to Captain America, Thor and The Incredible Hulk, but TA and IM? No way.

And as for TAS-M....certain parts can be seen as "cookie cutter" and even the villain and the big mastermind of a plan, but then there are certain parts that didn't feel "cookie cutter". The emotional impact with Uncle Ben was breathtaking and that voicemail at the end? Loved that for so many reasons.

 

[Web face]

Iron Man and Avengers did not feel "cookie cutter" to me. MAYBEs to Captain America, Thor and The Incredible Hulk, but TA and IM? No way.

And as for TAS-M....certain parts can be seen as "cookie cutter" and even the villain and the big mastermind of a plan, but then there are certain parts that didn't feel "cookie cutter". The emotional impact with Uncle Ben was breathtaking and that voicemail at the end? Loved that for so many reasons.

The nice, kinda slow music coupled with Uncle Ben's voicemail? One of my favorite parts of the movie.

 

[JKKS085]

The well is already poisoned. And we're all drinking from it as if it's the only sustenance on Earth (The Avengers, Transformers, Piarates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man 3, etc.) all huge movies...but let's face it, we love crap!

Well maybe you do love crap (and given your indulgence over TASM's many flaws you do not particularly strike me as a demanding moviegoer) but fact is that none of the movies your bringing in the mix were as big, and maybe more importantly as well received, as the Avengers.

I don't need analogies or comparisons to musicals. I completely realize what The Avengers is, another big dumb popcorn flick by Marvel Studio movies, who never utilizes their classic character's potential with the talents on film, nothing more and nothing less.

Thanks for the enlightenment KAW but where you see a "dumb action flick", respected movie critics and a decent portion of the moviegoing audience saw a really good action flick with entertaining and human characters, well written character arcs, solid performances from the main cast and yes indeed powerfull action sequences but that never overwhelm the story. So maybe, while every opinion is of course respectable, you should try to profess yours, wich is clearly only shared by a minority of people who saw the movie, with a little more humility and maybe actual points to support it.

And I wonder what he's going to do to improve The Avengers with the sequel. My guess is, instead of having a 50 minute action sequence, he'll probably rev it up to an hour and a half. And you all will call it the greatest film ever made, no doubt about it.

Enlighten me again but what is that 50 minutes action scene your referring to ?

 

[AF3619]

Iron Man and Avengers did not feel "cookie cutter" to me. MAYBEs to Captain America, Thor and The Incredible Hulk, but TA and IM? No way.

And as for TAS-M....certain parts can be seen as "cookie cutter" and even the villain and the big mastermind of a plan, but then there are certain parts that didn't feel "cookie cutter". The emotional impact with Uncle Ben was breathtaking and that voicemail at the end? Loved that for so many reasons.

Avengers is not cookie cuttered and Ironman is Awesome(i should get the BR) and ASM is imo a little because of the origin the movies may have cliches but every superhero movie has one

 

[LegendAssemble]

Not sure I'd use revolutionary as the term, but it breaks from the pack and tells a genuine heartfelt and intimate story around one of the biggest superheroes - one of the first for a comic book movie and different from the cookie-cutter Marvel movies. Absolutely.

I wouldn't say it's better than the first Iron Man, but even with my very critical opinions on it, it's better than Iron Man 2, Incredible Hulk, Cap, and Thor definitely.

 

[LegendAssemble]

The well is already poisoned. And we're all drinking from it as if it's the only sustenance on Earth (The Avengers, Transformers, Piarates of the Caribbean, Spider-Man 3, etc.) all huge movies...but let's face it, we love crap! I don't need analogies or comparisons to musicals. I completely realize what The Avengers is, another big dumb popcorn flick by Marvel Studio movies, who never utilizes their classic character's potential with the talents on film, nothing more and nothing less.

The Buffy director is the new Michael Bay...I stand by that. And I wonder what he's going to do to improve The Avengers with the sequel. My guess is, instead of having a 50 minute action sequence, he'll probably rev it up to an hour and a half. And you all will call it the greatest film ever made, no doubt about it.

See you sound incredibly uneducated just by calling him "The Buffy Director" as an insult when thats not a bad thing. Really do you even know about what the Avengers are? They're basically the Blockbuster action fest of the comic world. When you think classic Avengers you think big scale super villain plots, alien invasions, and big crossovers. It's not the X-Men where theres this big undertone of prejudice or any of that, it's a big story with characters that have a heart.

Yes we love crap, Pirates, Transformers, the Star Wars prequels, but all of this "Crap" is always noted by the critics. The Transformers films were poorly received. Pirates 1 and 2 were received generally well, but when the series went south in 3 and 4 it was noted. None of the Star Wars Prequels were received well besides III, which was mixed and also the least awful of them.

You really don't know what you're talking about, I understand you don't like the movie, but you're saying you don't like it because it was a set piece film.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

The Buffy director is the new Michael Bay...I stand by that.

There is nothing, nothing that can explain the pain I feel and the ignorance you possess.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

I liked Buffy.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Not sure I'd use revolutionary as the term, but it breaks from the pack and tells a genuine heartfelt and intimate story around one of the biggest superheroes - one of the first for a comic book movie and different from the cookie-cutter Marvel movies. Absolutely.

 

[Mike]

Yea calling joss whedon a michael bay clone is overkill. Hes a character director and was clearly restricted. Which i dont blame the studio because this was basically joss's biggest film. He will have more reign in the sequal. Just as i figure webb will aswell. But webb needs to step his action scenes up and pull back the camera a bit. Lose the quick scene cuts aswell.

 

[Just one more]

Spider Man is my favourite all time character, however calling Joss Whedon the new Michael Bay just shows your ignorance. The Avengers is a far more moving film. Ruffalo and Johansen brought so much emotion to their roles.

So now movies cannot have any big action set pieces without being labelled a Michael Bay wanna be by KAW.

 

[Anno_Domini]

I liked Buffy.

I enjoyed Angel more myself. The ending of the fifth season with them going into battle is just amazing. A beautiful ending that I could see the same being for Supernatural as well with Sam and Dean just heading into battle right before the credits pop up.

Although, two of my favorite episodes of all time when talking about any television show would be "Smile Time" from Angel and "Hush" from Buffy.

 

[Mike]

Angel was the best man. Loved his arcs. Love the metaphors dealing with a man coming to terms with himself and the world around him. Had the best ending. Supernatural. Should have ended after they beat satan. It was all they needed to tell imo.

 

[LegendAssemble]

Yea calling joss whedon a michael bay clone is overkill. Hes a character director and was clearly restricted. Which i dont blame the studio because this was basically joss's biggest film. He will have more reign in the sequal. Just as i figure webb will aswell. But webb needs to step his action scenes up and pull back the camera a bit. Lose the quick scene cuts aswell.

I take it he didn't edit it lol

 

[LegendAssemble]

Spider Man is my favourite all time character, however calling Joss Whedon the new Michael Bay just shows your ignorance. The Avengers is a far more moving film. Ruffalo and Johansen brought so much emotion to their roles.

So now movies cannot have any big action set pieces without being labelled a Michael Bay wanna be by KAW.

I love how he keeps referring to him as "The buffy director", I wonder what he's gonna say when he sees theres a whole conversation thats branched out about their favorite buffy characters and moments.

 

[Smegger56]

Who is calling Whedon a 'Michael Bay clone'?

That's mental. Though I'm no fan of buffy (due to Geller and a few of the other actors), he's created some kick ass shows and done two superb films (Serenity and Avengers) which have more heart and genuine humor compared to Bay's AWFUL efforts. IMO.

Back to spidey, I feel that is the best hear film this year, mainly due to the interactions between the actors, the emotional scenes and some of the humor. But that's me

 

[Just one more]

I was never more than a casual watcher of Buffy, however it was a very well put together show as well as being very successful. Not sure what he's going for with that "Buffy director" stuff

There's bound to be a Buffy tangent coming hahaha

 

[Lorus]

I was never more than a casual watcher of Buffy, however it was a very well put together show as well as being very successful. Not sure what he's going for with that "Buffy director" stuff

There's bound to be a Buffy tangent coming hahaha

It is pretty hilarious that people try to make the 'Buffy director' sound like a negative thing. As if creating, writing and directing episodes of one of the most critically acclaimed television shows of all time is some kind of slur. It's also a show that's nothing like a Bay film, and yet Whedon is called a Bay clone even though the work he's being constantly attributed to is completely different.It's also worth mentioning that the similarities between the Avengers and Transformers are so superficial that Amazing Spider-Man can be said to be the same as the Avengers by the same vague, tenuous links.

On a slightly different topic, while most of the MCU films are certainly very standard in terms of structure and set up, I really don't see how anyone could try and use Amazing Spider-Man as some kind of contrast. It's not like it innovates or does anything remotely unique with a superhero origin story.

 

[LegendAssemble]

It is pretty hilarious that people try to make the 'Buffy director' sound like a negative thing. As if creating, writing and directing episodes of one of the most critically acclaimed television shows of all time is some kind of slur. It's also a show that's nothing like a Bay film, and yet Whedon is called a Bay clone even though the work he's being constantly attributed to is completely different.It's also worth mentioning that the similarities between the Avengers and Transformers are so superficial that Amazing Spider-Man can be said to be the same as the Avengers by the same vague, tenuous links.

On a slightly different topic, while most of the MCU films are certainly very standard in terms of structure and set up, I really don't see how anyone could try and use Amazing Spider-Man as some kind of contrast. It's not like it innovates or does anything remotely unique with a superhero origin story.

Yeah pretty much. It's just as formulaic, Spider-Man is just a more interesting character than say Thor or Captain America to most people so it seems worlds better. Anyway, the Marvel films really weren't formulaic accept for Thor and Cap and neither one of those were bad, just more or less mundane.

Iron Man was something completely different when it came out and was the first film to prove a non A-List comic book hero can have a great movie. Incredible Hulk was pretty formulaic as espionage film, but there weren't any other superhero films really like this so it was different. Iron Man 2 was just more of a mess than formulaic as well.

Complain all you want about the MCU but still has the best track record of the CBM production companies.

 

[Oscorp]

Joss Whedon is nothing like Michael Bay

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

never ending