The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - P - Part 17

[Picard Sisko]

its good..out of 233,000..91 percent of them want to see it...

I mean TDKR only has 93% as well. These are good ratings, so hopefully a lot of people see it.

 

[chaseter]

Hey look who was right about Sony and Disney thinking about intertwining their universes because it would be a profitable move. ME

 

[SpideyFan92]

hey look who was right about sony and disney thinking about intertwining their universes because it would be a profitable move. Me :d

are they really??

 

[chaseter]

Looks to be like it. SHH front page and the rumors are swirling around again.

 

[Thwip!]

are they really??

Potentially with a Spidey/ Avengers cameo/movie....Potentially

 

[grieven]

Yeah, just looked through Harry Knowles tweets and he seems confident that TASM is "pretty damn fantastic," according to his sources.

I've not followed his tweets and I'd be as thrilled as anyone if indications from him are that ASM is great, but personally I think it's a bit of a joke that practically every review from Harry on his site is a fanboy gush of raves. I don't think he's capable of critiquing anything, he's become a sellout of the highest order (imo).

 

[DeathChill]

I've not followed his tweets and I'd be as thrilled as anyone if indications from him are that ASM is great, but personally I think it's a bit of a joke that practically every review from Harry on his site is a fanboy gush of raves. I don't think he's capable of critiquing anything, he's become a sellout of the highest order (imo).

I don't follow his reviews, but I thought it was interesting that he says people are telling him it's pretty damn fantastic.

 

[Sharkboy]

Yeah, just looked through Harry Knowles tweets and he seems confident that TASM is "pretty damn fantastic," according to his sources.

Harry Knowles isn't really the greatest person to trust when it comes to reviews. Need I remind people of his Indy 4 review where he said he was "shaking, trembling and crying with joy" Yeah Harry's opinion goes out the window for me.

 

[grieven]

IMDB review doesnt read like a fake but it's IMDB. However, I think we're in for a real treat, I have such tremendous faith in Marc Webb first because 500 Days Of Summer is an incredible first movie full of ideas, charming, with a true vision, and a visual sense, and a great direction, and then because it's Andy and Emma, they are outstanding and Andy just gets it.

This + Rhys Ifans + 3D, such a combination of talents can't be bad, but you can be assured that the haters will be there and will make their voices heard, a thing you can observe right now with Prometheus, the naysayers are the most vocal, and it's always like that.

9 more days till I get a taste of it.

Again, I agree with you Tim. [500] Days of Summer is one of my favorite movies of the past decade. I love all the ingrediants from Webb to Garfield to Stone to Ifans to all the clips we've seen. Can't wait to read your reactions.

And to the rumor of Webb not coming back to do the next one, I'm praying that's not true. He'd be perfect for the heartbreak of Gwen's death. Sony, please don't replace him with a hack like say Tim Story. You've already replaced the writers with generic mindless blockbuster writers Orci & Kurtzman. I pray you don't do the same with the director, I think Webb is doing something different and hopefully magical with this franchise.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Harry Knowles is a passionate geek who likes to show when he's enthusiastic about something, he's not a snobby film critic nitpicking on everything.

I find it fascinating in the case of films, and more especially (sorry to ramble on) on Prometheus, to see stuff such as "that scene was stupid", "plot hole, it didnt make any sense". I find it fascinating because it's like when those people or film critics (not all I imagine) see a movie, it's like they overanalyze everything.

When I see a movie, I often pay attention to the framing, the shots, etc, but I'm in the movie, I just enjoy it, I'm not self-aware the whole time, sarcastically breaking to pieces everything that's wrong with it.

I do pity those who do that, because they are losing the thrill and excitement of seeing a movie that interests you. I'm like a kid when seeing movies, spreading my "Awesome", or "incredible" comments on Twitter, and forums, I just ENJOY it, because that's what you're supposed to do.

This is what Harry Knowles does. There is too much condescension nowadays, nitpicking, bias everywhere, just enjoy it.

 

[Sharkboy]

Harry Knowles is a passionate geek who likes to show when he's enthusiastic about something, he's not a snobby film critic nitpicking on everything.

I find it fascinating in the case of films, and more especially (sorry to ramble on) on Prometheus, to see stuff such as "that scene was stupid", "plot hole, it didnt make any sense". I find it fascinating because it's like when those people or film critics (not all I imagine) see a movie, it's like they overanalyze everything.

When I see a movie, I often pay attention to the framing, the shots, etc, but I'm in the movie, I just enjoy it, I'm not self-aware the whole time, sarcastically breaking to pieces everything that's wrong with it.

I do pity those who do that, because they are losing the thrill and excitement of seeing a movie that interests you. I'm like a kid when seeing movies, spreading my "Awesome", or "incredible" comments on Twitter, and forums, I just ENJOY it, because that's what you're supposed to do.

This is what Harry Knowles do. There is too much condescension nowadays, nitpicking, bias everywhere, just enjoy it.

Yes but in his case, people don't look to him for fanboy ramblings, because they are too subjective, people won't fangasm at the same things as he does, they want to know if they film is actually good. What works, what doesn't work, it's far from nitpicking, it's critique...you know from actual critics.

I had no fanboy moments in watching Avengers, because I've never really read an Avengers comic in my life. So someone going on for 2000 words how he was crying and chest bumping his friend because this moment happened, means nothing for me, I want to know what works well enough that i have to lay down my cash for the ticket.

So yeah, Knowles cannot do that, there are way WAY better critics at AICN than him.

 

[grieven]

Harry Knowles is a passionate geek who likes to show when he's enthusiastic about something, he's not a snobby film critic nitpicking on everything.

I find it fascinating in the case of films, and more especially (sorry to ramble on) on Prometheus, to see stuff such as "that scene was stupid", "plot hole, it didnt make any sense". I find it fascinating because it's like when those people or film critics (not all I imagine) see a movie, it's like they overanalyze everything.

When I see a movie, I often pay attention to the framing, the shots, etc, but I'm in the movie, I just enjoy it, I'm not self-aware the whole time, sarcastically breaking to pieces everything that's wrong with it.

I do pity those who do that, because they are losing the thrill and excitement of seeing a movie that interests you. I'm like a kid when seeing movies, spreading my "Awesome", or "incredible" comments on Twitter, and forums, I just ENJOY it, because that's what you're supposed to do.

This is what Harry Knowles does. There is too much condescension nowadays, nitpicking, bias everywhere, just enjoy it.

I appreciate the geekiness and passion of Harry, but can't take his reviews seriously when he can't seem to bring himself to say anything bad about anything, even complete misfires, or maybe when he does, he is so apologetic about it that he spends half of his 10,000 words looking for something to gush over to balance it. Not that I'm looking for negative Nelly (like DevinFuglyssi), but if every review is brimming with positives even when the movie doesn't deserve it, it severely dilutes the opinion for me when a rave is truly deserving. In the example of Indy4, if he's trembling over that, then how much does it mean if he then says he's shaking over ASM? To me, a lot less.

EDIT: I think he's so intertwined in the business that he simply can't (or is afraid to) offend any of the moviemakers. Thus, he's evolved to a place where he'll say only good things or nothing. Sorry, enough Harry Knowles and back to breathless anticipation for my most anticipated movie of the year, The Amazing Spider-Man!

 

[Sharkboy]

I appreciate the geekiness and passion of Harry, but can't take his reviews seriously when he can't seem to bring himself to say anything bad about anything, even complete misfires, or maybe when he does, he is so apologetic about it that he spends half of his 10,000 words looking for something to gush over to balance it. Not that I'm looking for negative Nelly (like DevinFuglyssi), but if every review is brimming with positives even when the movie doesn't deserve it, it severely dilutes the opinion for me when a rave is truly deserving. In the example of Indy4, if he's trembling over that, then how does it mean if he then says he's shaking over ASM? To me, a lot less.

Drew McWeeny was my favourite writer on that site, and one of the few reviewers i still trust.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

But you cannot separate the two. If you're a fanboy, you won't have the necessary distance to be really objective but at the same time, as you are a fanboy, you've got more expectations, and I often feel that film critics (aside from Peter Sciretta at Slashfilm, or Alex Billington at First Showing, or Collider Frosty at Collider) are out of touch with a lot of these elements.

There is ANYHOW too much bias everywhere. The very principle of film critics is stupid, because you can see with the importance of Internet today how this influences people, like the weak minded who only take a look at a RT score to determin whether they should see a film or not when they want to see it.

Or Prometheus (once again), you see a couple of persons saying "lower your expectations", "it's disappointing", and automatically, subconsciously, it sets itself in your brain, and then you started seeing everywhere "yeah they were right, it was disappointing".

There is influence everywhere.

 

[Troy_Parker]

My theory on Cap Stacy's fate in TASM (I talk about the B-roll footage too):

Spoiler

In the B-roll footage, him and Peter are shown teaming up to fight the Lizard... now, remember this picture from MONTHS ago?

Look at his chest. He has a claw mark going through it. I'm willing to bet that the Lizard kills Stacy.

 

[Sharkboy]

But you cannot separate the two. If you're a fanboy, you won't have the necessary distance to be really objective but at the same time, as you are a fanboy, you've got more expectations, and I often feel that film critics (aside from Peter Sciretta at Slashfilm, or Alex Billington at First Showing, or Collider Frosty at Collider) are out of touch with a lot of these elements.

There is ANYHOW too much bias everywhere. The very principle of film critics is stupid, because you can see with the importance of Internet today how this influences people, like the weak minded who only take a look at a RT score to determin whether they should see a film or not when they want to see it.

Or Prometheus (once again), you see a couple of persons saying "lower your expectations", "it's disappointing", and automatically, subconsciously, it sets itself in your brain, and then you started seeing everywhere "yeah they were right, it was disappointing".

There is influence everywhere.

Prometheus is one of my personal favourite films of the year, and I'm a self confessed fanboy, but even I can objectively say it's heavily flawed and definitely not for everyone and if i were a professional film critic I'd certainly put that on my review.

Point is, he gushes over films way to much, and it makes his opinion worth a lot less than someone who is more critical, it has nothing to do with being out of touch...a good film is a good film regardless of it's superficial fanboy moments.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Well yeah he doesnt have a lot of credibility because he's so enthusiastic. But it's always like that. See what's happening here?! Raving tweets about TASM and some are already starting to say they mean nothing because written by overexcited fanboys.

 

[DyeLorean]

After the smashing success of Avengers, I knew the rights of the characters wouldn't matter that much when there's a ton of money involved.
Can you imagine an Avengers movie with Garfield's Spider-Man? Oh man.

 

[grieven]

Well yeah he doesnt have a lot of credibility because he's so enthusiastic. But it's always like that. See what's happening here?! Raving tweets about TASM and some are already starting to say they mean nothing because written by overexcited fanboys.

Yeah, sorry about going off on a tangent. I'll enthusiastically accept any good word of mouth on ASM, even from Harry Knowles!! t:

 

[Infinity9999x]

But you cannot separate the two. If you're a fanboy, you won't have the necessary distance to be really objective but at the same time, as you are a fanboy, you've got more expectations, and I often feel that film critics (aside from Peter Sciretta at Slashfilm, or Alex Billington at First Showing, or Collider Frosty at Collider) are out of touch with a lot of these elements.

There is ANYHOW too much bias everywhere. The very principle of film critics is stupid, because you can see with the importance of Internet today how this influences people, like the weak minded who only take a look at a RT score to determin whether they should see a film or not when they want to see it.

Or Prometheus (once again), you see a couple of persons saying "lower your expectations", "it's disappointing", and automatically, subconsciously, it sets itself in your brain, and then you started seeing everywhere "yeah they were right, it was disappointing".

There is influence everywhere.

I always make a point to rate a movie as a movie first, and then view it as an adaptation. For example, I love Jurassic Park as a film. As an adaptation...it's pretty crappy. The Bourne films too. Love the movies. But as adaptations, they're not even close. However, I'm okay with that. I want to see a good movie first.

But it can color my enjoyment at times. I can see that Spider-man 2 is a very good film. It's well made. However, Spider-man is one of my favorite characters ever, and because of that I had a lot of issues with the way they handled the characterizations of many characterrs. And I didn't enjoy it as much as I would have liked.

 

[Sharkboy]

Well yeah he doesnt have a lot of credibility because he's so enthusiastic. But it's always like that. See what's happening here?! Raving tweets about TASM and some are already starting to say they mean nothing because written by overexcited fanboys.

Maybe it's because Harry is an overexcited fanboy

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36804

*sighs* makes me laugh everytime.

 

[Ashes2Phoenix]

My problem with Spider-Man 2 was this :

This is not a bash at the Raimi trilogy because I really enjoyed number one and two but the sense of chemistry between Peter and MJ was just not that strong, in my opinion. I always felt like MJ came across as a really annoying plot device, just put in there to torment poor Peter. In each film she was always the main reason why Spidey would swing into action to save the day. In Spider-Man 2, I found the wise words from Aunt May (favourite scene in the entire trilogy, it hit a real emotional cord with me) were contradicted by Peter. " Sometimes we have to give up the things we want the most, even our dreams". This was great line which was then twisted by the plot. Peter only gains his powers back once MJ is in danger and not because of the peril the city was facing. For me that didn't sit well because at that point he is only becoming Spider-Man again for his own personal gains.

I hope in this new film Gwen is a much stronger character for Peter and by the looks of it she may be just that.

 

[grieven]

Maybe it's because Harry is an overexcited fanboy

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36804

*sighs* makes me laugh everytime.

I'm laughing along with ya.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Won't it be in Indian or something. I'm not trying to be racist if that seems racist.

In small towns,yes it'll be dubbed
Which is why i'll be travelling to Delhi to watch it

 

[Spiderdevil]

8/10 is good but i see how it will be more exiting for me , is a subjective point of viewt:

He doesnt say a single thing other than what we know,could be fake