The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - P - - Part 18

[DeathChill]

Too bad that's after Uncle Ben has died and after he has already become Spider-Man. Just because Marc Webb gave a reason for what he did doesn't mean it isn't stupid. Sam Raimi had a reason for making Flint Marko Uncle Ben's killer.

I don't get why he can't be a jerk after Uncle Ben dies. He's acting like a REAL person would. He's angry and he has incredible powers and he is certainly abusing them for his own benefit. This is part of telling Marc Webb's version of the story. He's not simply going to go, "Wow, my uncle was murdered. I'm totally humbled and will be a better person for it." It's more like an extended, realistic version of what happened in Raimi's Spider-Man.

 

[bullets]

Nice to see people complaining about the carjacker scene. I thought I saw the last of it once trailer 2 come out, guess not...

But I'll post this again, Webb on the carjacker scene:

"The reason why Spider-Man is being so playful in that moment is that as a character, he's feeling drunk on his power. He's having a really good time. He's becoming a bit of a bully there. He's not being deeply altruistic, and that's something you'll learn more about when you see the movie."

I was under the same impression. If Spidey was like that the entire film it might be an issue. I thought some of the wisecracking was good though.

 

[Picard Sisko]

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Extended carjacker scene.

lol he is really messing with that carjacker. I assume after Uncle Ben's death, he is going to take his powers more seriously and mature.

Imagine a teenager getting these amazing powers. He is going to have fun, get loose and wild! Swing around, stop bad guys, and mess with them just because he can.

However, Peter will eventually learn that with great power, comes great responsibility.

 

[chaseter]

I don't get why he can't be a jerk after Uncle Ben dies. He's acting like a REAL person would. He's angry and he has incredible powers and he is certainly abusing them for his own benefit. This is part of telling Marc Webb's version of the story. He's not simply going to go, "Wow, my uncle was murdered. I'm totally humbled and will be a better person for it." It's more like an extended, realistic version of what happened in Raimi's Spider-Man.

Realism! Grounded! Real life!

That is what happens. His Uncle dies because of him and he becomes humbled by his arrogance and accepts the responsibility of what he has done and what he has become. He isn't a vengeful *****e. Everyone hated in the first movie that he pretty much killed the guy. That isn't Spider-Man. Spider-Man would never do that. Then again...that's realistic and grounded! None of us would stop the guy that killed our beloved Uncle from falling to his death. Would Spider-Man?

 

[Joe_Kickass]

lol !!!!!!!!

Also remember in SM1:
Uncle Ben: I don't mean to lecture you and I don't mean to preach.
And I know I'm not your father.
Peter: Then stop pretending to be you old f**king geezer!
With your wrinkly a$$ balls and 50s hair cut. No wonder Aunt May cheated
on you with a black guy last week!

That's how I remember it at least

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

Why can't there be the same suspension of belief with the carjacker scene as there was with Batman hiding in the shadows in Batman Begins? It wasn't just the "WHERE ARE YOU?" scene. Remember when he broke into Arkham and fought off Scarecrow's goons? He was darting all over the warehouse in completely unbelievable ways. There was nothing very natural about what he was doing, but it looked cool!

Even IF there is a completely logical reason for how Spidey gets in and out of that vehicle, it really doesn't matter to me, it's just a good gimmick. He's doing something comic-booky. Him being in the backseat is something the thief doesn't expect and it pretty much sets up the feel of the entire scene. Also, I think the scene as a whole is going to make plenty more sense when in correct context, even though it's just fine as is.

Seriously though, if it's not a big deal for Batman why is it a big deal for Spidey?

 

[DeathChill]

Realism! Grounded! Real life!

That is what happens. His Uncle dies because of him and he becomes humbled by his arrogance and accepts the responsibility of what he has done and what he has become. He isn't a vengeful *****e. Everyone hated in the first movie that he pretty much killed the guy. That isn't Spider-Man. Spider-Man would never do that. Then again...that's realistic and grounded! None of us would stop the guy that killed our beloved Uncle from falling to his death. Would Spider-Man?

Do you REALLY, truly believe that you wouldn't be angry at someone who killed someone you loved? He is angry and he is a teenager who is already going through a lot. He's not perfect, which I think is great. He didn't instantly realize that this power is his to use to help the world. He wants to get even, which is a perfectly natural reaction and I can guarantee that almost everyone would rest the same.

 

[Picard Sisko]

How come he doesn't say "You found my weakness: It's small knives!" in that clip? Was that just for the trailer?

 

[chaseter]

Do you REALLY, truly believe that you wouldn't be angry at someone who killed someone you loved? He is angry and he is a teenager who is already going through a lot. He's not perfect, which I think is great. He didn't instantly realize that this power is his to use to help the world. He wants to get even, which is a perfectly natural reaction and I can guarantee that almost everyone would rest the same.

I don't care what you or I would do...we aren't Spider-Man.


Unless....


Batman doesn't kill people. Would you kill the guy that killed the person you loved if you were Batman?

 

[Joe_Kickass]

How come he doesn't say "You found my weakness: It's small knives!" in that clip? Was that just for the trailer?

Yeah, it was on overdub. That's why it sounds so much louder than what he says in the scene, it basically speeds up what he says for the trailer, because in the actual movie it has pauses and it's longer.

 

[DeathChill]

I don't care what you or I would do...we aren't Spider-Man.


Unless....


Batman doesn't kill people. Would you kill the guy that killed the person you loved if you were Batman?

Well, Bruce Wayne was going to in Batman Begins... He's human and he's angry. He learns from his mistakes.

The point is that Spider-Man has to be relatable, I think. If he just instantly gets over the anger and doesn't react like a normal person, I don't know what I'd think. Even Raimi's Spider-Man was extremely angry, but it was just condensed into one scene.

 

[Smegger56]

Well, Bruce Wayne was going to in Batman Begins... He's human and he's angry. He learns from his mistakes.

The point is that Spider-Man has to be relatable, I think. If he just instantly gets over the anger and doesn't react like a normal person, I don't know what I'd think. Even Raimi's Spider-Man was extremely angry, but it was just condensed into one scene.

And he let the guy die. Yay

 

[Joe_Kickass]

And he let the guy die. Yay

Didn't he also let Ra's Al Ghul die too?

 

[Troy_Parker]

Too bad that's after Uncle Ben has died and after he has already become Spider-Man. Just because Marc Webb gave a reason for what he did doesn't mean it isn't stupid. Sam Raimi had a reason for making Flint Marko Uncle Ben's killer.

*sigh*

They've mentioned over and over that they're going for a grounded take on the character. Webb also said that this is a contemporary take on Peter.

There's this nerdy kid who has gotten beaten up and bullied on an almost daily basis. This nerdy kid now gets superpowers. The closest thing he had to a loving father is taken away from him.

Wouldn't you be angry?

I'm just getting sick of these ******** complains tbh. Can't we just trust Webb now? He's not going to make Spider-Man a *****e for the whole movie, he's said that this scene is to show Spidey going too far.

And nothing is as stupid that horrid retcon, so let's try to keep Raimi's mistakes out of this, kay?

 

[Troy_Parker]

Edit.

 

[Spectacular23]

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Extended carjacker scene.

First time seeing this.. I just love it!!

 

[Smegger56]

Didn't he also let Ra's Al Ghul die too?

I was talking about Spidey letting his uncles killer die.

But yeah. Bats went.

"i'm not going to kill you. But I'm not going to save you.'

 

[Joe_Kickass]

I was talking about Spidey letting his uncles killer die.

But yeah. Bats went.

"i'm not going to kill you. But I'm not going to save you.'

Yeah, I know you were talking about his uncle.
But, doesn't that kind of go against Batman's code?
Like at the end of Arkham City when Joker spills the cure and Batman says "I would have saved you." if you have the chance to save someone, but don't take it, doesn't that mean you helped that person to die? That seems to go against the character BIG time. Yet no one complains about that...hmmm...

 

[Smegger56]

Yeah, I know you were talking about his uncle.
But, doesn't that kind of go against Batman's code?
Like at the end of Arkham City when Joker spills the cure and Batman says "I would have saved you." if you have the chance to save someone, but don't take it, doesn't that mean you helped that person to die? That seems to go against the character BIG time. Yet no one complains about that...hmmm...

NO TALK OF ARKHAM CITY. NOT PLAYED IT YET lol

I get what you mean. He wont kill him, but saving him? Well...

I don' know enough about Batman, if that's something he's done before. He may 'bend' his code. Not sure.

But Pete never did that. As far as I know. That, more than anything, seemed very out of character.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I was talking about Spidey letting his uncles killer die.

But yeah. Bats went.

"i'm not going to kill you. But I'm not going to save you.'

It should be noted that this was probably the single biggest complaint about the film among Batman fans.

 

[Joe_Kickass]

It should be noted that this was probably the single biggest complaint about the film among Batman fans.

And yet, it didn't seem to worthy enough to ruinnthe entire movie.
Something tells me though, that people would be a lot more acceptive of change if Chris Nolan was doing it than if Marc Webb did.

 

[iGiFF]

And yet, it didn't seem to worthy enough to ruinnthe entire movie.
Something tells me though, that people would be a lot more acceptive of change if Chris Nolan was doing it than if Marc Webb did.

That's probably because Nolan has worked his way up, with no bad films under his resume. It would be easier for me to accept these changes if Nolan was directing. He is proven, unlike Webb.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I know this is OT and I don't want to start anything, but how close has the Dark Knight trilogy been to the original source material? I know Nolan borrowed elements of story arcs and graphic novels, but how close has it been to the comics? Rachel Dawes was never a character, right? Two-Face was "born" when a criminal threw acid in his face during a trial not apart of the Joker's scheme, Batman doesn't kill in comics right except for the really old ones, is Fox a real character?

 

[Joe_Kickass]

That's probably because Nolan has worked his way up, with no bad films under his resume. It would be easier for me to accept these changes if Nolan was directing. He is proven, unlike Webb.

But...that's missing the point.
Just because Nolan changes something doesn't mean Webb couldn't do it just as good or better. That just shows biasness.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

But...that's missing the point.
Just because Nolan changes something doesn't mean Webb couldn't do it just as good or better. That just shows biasness.

I agree though. Look at Bane. There has barely been any *****ing about how he doesn't look like the source material compared to The Lizard.