The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - P - - Part 18

[Scarlettess]

I loved that carjacker scene so much. For some reason I got a memories of the first tmnt movie while watching it. This makes my heart dance.

This makes me very happy. I love TMNT dearly. God I want to watch that now and i dont have it. :argh

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

That scene is solid gold even out of context.

Agree with you and scarletless. Very interested in him learning to be a true hero in this way. It's a stylistic choice that I'm sure not everyone will like but I'm with it. It's one thing to show me a scene with him just knowing how to be a hero it's another to let it play out and naturally evolve.

 

[MACH]

And if that's the case--and I, too, believe it be so as well--then I have to ask

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if he initially suspects that guy to be the person who killed his Uncle Ben, would he seriously be acting the way he is in this clip as opposed to say, punching the guys lights out? The reason why people upon initially seeing this clip assumed it was taking place before Uncle Ben was killed is because after his Uncle Ben's death, then he should stop acting like a bully and being "drunk on his power," which, even by Marc Webb's own admission, is how he's acting in this clip.

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I think that him punching his lights out would be WAY too Batman. He only suspects the guy, if that, he isn't certain. I think how he is acting is intimidating and threatening (and to me, funny!). That works in the context of what he is going through

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

This makes me very happy. I love TMNT dearly. God I want to watch that now and i dont have it. :argh

Why do you not have that flick???

 

[Scarlettess]

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Because he doesn't know for sure that it's the guy. You see that when he webs his mouth, he also webs up his nostrils. It's only once he sees that it's not the same guy that he pulls the webbing off his nose so that the guy can breathe. He was just having fun, but he was prepared to get more serious if his suspicions were confirmed. He's drunk on power, but he's not a bad guy. He's not going to go all out on the guy until he's sure he has the right one.

Exactly!!

 

[MACH]

Heh. Exactly. And if you watch both the BtS and the carjacker scene, you really see the parallels between how Spidey is acting and how Flash acts. I feel like that realization will dawn on him at some point in the movie.


Community, specifically the debate club episode from Season 1(?).

Totally off topic... LOVE Community!

 

[Scarlettess]

Why do you not have that flick???

I don't know I use to have it on VHS tho....to this day I don't know what happened to it.

When it comes out on blu-ray ill be the first to buy it though. t:

 

[stillanerd]

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I don't think the Flash part matters. Peter has always been a good person. Him trying to help a kid from Flash is more ballsy than the 60's Pete, sure, but it is definitely very USM. Also, he doesn't attack Flash as much as just say he won't take the photo. And he still gets his butt kicked for it. It also gives Flash more of a reason to attack him, again, this is more realistic. That is how bullying usually happens in real life, it doesn't come out of nowhere, even bullies aren't that two dimensional. They usually attack due to imagined slights.

Like I said,

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I understand why the filmmakers chose to go in that direction because they want the audience to root for Peter and show he has a capacity for good right from the start. The drawback to it, however, is that being a hero is something Peter has to learn. Even in the Ultimate Comics, Peter's attitude was to just get through the day and try to avoid any confrontation, albeit rather unsuccessfully. After all, a guy who has been continuously picked on is far less likely to stick his neck out for others, at least initially.

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As for how it gets in and out of the car. The car jacker's breaking in thingy probably opens the windows too and Spidey uses his "sticky-ness" to pull down a window and slip in and out easily. Simple

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Except for the fact the windows are clearly up before the carjacker breaks in and he has to roll the windows down in order to get out. Besides, what kind of guy who lives in New York City of all places would lock his car but leave the windows down.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

I don't know I use to have it on VHS tho....to this day I don't know what happened to it.

When it comes out on blu-ray ill be the first to buy it though. t:

No clue if it's out on the UK but its been on blu ray for a few years in the US. Not individually tho, you gotta buy the whole set. Check amazon

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

Somebody is uploading the game trailer, won't be long now

 

[Eddie Brock]

The only possible way Spider-Man could be in that car is if he slipped in when the valet took it and then laid down in the backseat. But I don't know that it'll be explained in the movie. I'm willing to bet it'll be one of those, "It's a movie. Get over it," kinds of scenes.

 

[AF3619]

has anyone seen chronicle?

 

[Scarlettess]

Also, on how Sidey gets in the car of that clip, he probably just times it right when he get in/out the car at the same time.

edit: i havnt watched the clip...just giving my two cents on what it could be.

 

[TinkerTailor]

Like I said,

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I understand why the filmmakers chose to go in that direction because they want the audience to root for Peter and show he has a capacity for good right from the start. The drawback to it, however, is that being a hero is something Peter has to learn. Even in the Ultimate Comics, Peter's attitude was to just get through the day and try to avoid any confrontation, albeit rather unsuccessfully. After all, a guy who has been continuously picked on is far less likely to stick his neck out for others, at least initially.

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Except for the fact the windows are clearly up before the carjacker breaks in and he has to roll the windows down in order to get out. Besides, what kind of guy who lives in New York City of all places would lock his car but leave the windows down.

So just to clarify, you're complaining about Peter not acting heroically, and you're also complaining about Peter acting heroically?

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

TASM Video Game Wal-Mart Sneak Peek

 

[Eddie Brock]

So just to clarify, you're complaining about Peter not acting heroically, and you're also complaining about Peter acting heroically?

He's merely pointing out that they're out of order, given the assumed order of these clips. No need to get snippy.

 

[Scarlettess]

No clue if it's out on the UK but its been on blu ray for a few years in the US. Not individually tho, you gotta buy the whole set. Check amazon

Interesting. I don't recall just know the ultimate 25th ann. edition DVD but shall certainly have a look.


Re: carjacker maybe he sucks off the rear window and sticks it back before the jacker gets in

 

[MACH]

Like I said,

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I understand why the filmmakers chose to go in that direction because they want the audience to root for Peter and show he has a capacity for good right from the start. The drawback to it, however, is that being a hero is something Peter has to learn. Even in the Ultimate Comics, Peter's attitude was to just get through the day and try to avoid any confrontation, albeit rather unsuccessfully. After all, a guy who has been continuously picked on is far less likely to stick his neck out for others, at least initially.

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No, he has to learn to not be selfish with who he helps. Not to help at all.

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Except for the fact the windows are clearly up before the carjacker breaks in and he has to roll the windows down in order to get out. Besides, what kind of guy who lives in New York City of all places would lock his car but leave the windows down.

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I didn't mean he left the windows open. I meant that the lock machine thingy unlocks the windows and doors, as in it is a modern car and automatic. Then Spidey quietly slides down the back window using his "sticky-ness" on his fingers. Yeah it is all a bit fast but I think you have to suspend realism a little in this case purely because...well, it is cool.

 

[stillanerd]

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Because he doesn't know for sure that it's the guy. You see that when he webs his mouth, he also webs up his nostrils. It's only once he sees that it's not the same guy that he pulls the webbing off his nose so that the guy can breathe. He was just having fun, but he was prepared to get more serious if his suspicions were confirmed. He's drunk on power, but he's not a bad guy. He's not going to go all out on the guy until he's sure he has the right one.

But you see, you're pointing out precisely what I feel is so wrong about this scene

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if this is indeed taking place after Uncle Ben is killed and Peter still hasn't found his Uncle's killer yet, then he should not be "drunk on power" anymore. He should not be having fun. Rather, his whole attitude should be "I am going to move Heaven and Earth to find the bastard who killed my uncle. And nobody better get in my way!" His being drunk on power is the attitude he should be having before his Uncle gets killed, not afterwards.

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I think that him punching his lights out would be WAY too Batman. He only suspects the guy, if that, he isn't certain. I think how he is acting is intimidating and threatening (and to me, funny!). That works in the context of what he is going through

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It's a well established fact that Spidey pretty much goes berserk whenever his loved ones are killed or seriously harmed. That's when he gets serious and stops making wisecracks and jokes. Even if he merely suspects the guy and is uncertain whether or not this is the person who killed his Uncle, based on how he's portrayed in the comics, he should not be acting this way, especially if still hasn't caught Uncle Ben's killer at this point, which I find to be a problem in and of itself.

 

[TinkerTailor]

He's merely pointing out that they're out of order, given the assumed order of these clips. No need to get snippy.

I wasn't trying to be snippy. Sorry if it came across that way. It's hard to be argumentative with an Annie Adderall avatar.

 

[Eddie Brock]

I wasn't trying to be snippy. Sorry if it came across that way. It's hard to be argumentative with an Annie Adderall avatar.

Precisely why I chose it. Lures people in so I can strike!

 

[AF3619]

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[Eddie Brock]

But you see, you're pointing out precisely what I feel is so wrong about this scene

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if this is indeed taking place after Uncle Ben is killed and Peter still hasn't found his Uncle's killer yet, then he should be "drunk on power" anymore. He should not be having fun. Rather, his whole attitude should be "I am going to move Heaven and Earth to find the bastard who killed my uncle. And nobody better get in my way!" His being drunk on power is the attitude he should be having before his Uncle gets killed, not afterwards.

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It's a well established fact that Spidey pretty much goes berserk whenever his loved ones are killed or seriously harmed. That's when he gets serious and stops making wisecracks and the jokes. Even if he merely suspects the guy and is uncertain whether or not this is the person who killed his Uncle, based on how he's portrayed in the comics, he should not be acting this way, especially if still hasn't caught Uncle Ben's killer at this point, which I find to be a problem in and of itself.

I can see where you're coming from now.

 

[stillanerd]

So just to clarify, you're complaining about Peter not acting heroically, and you're also complaining about Peter acting heroically?

He's merely pointing out that they're out of order, given the assumed order of these clips. No need to get snippy.

Thanks, EB. That's exactly what I'm saying.

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I would have no problem with Peter trying to stick up for the kid Flash is bullying after he got his spider powers. I also would have no problem with the carjacking scene (even though I do think Spidey is behaving way too much like a *****e) if it was taking place after he had already found and caught Uncle Ben's killer. It's when Peter is apparently trying to protect the kid before he has powers (and again, I understand why the filmmakers may have chosen to do so) and is apparently acting like his typical Spidey self before he finds his Uncle's killer that I find to be problematic.

 

[MACH]

But you see, you're pointing out precisely what I feel is so wrong about this scene

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if this is indeed taking place after Uncle Ben is killed and Peter still hasn't found his Uncle's killer yet, then he should be "drunk on power" anymore. He should not be having fun. Rather, his whole attitude should be "I am going to move Heaven and Earth to find the bastard who killed my uncle. And nobody better get in my way!" His being drunk on power is the attitude he should be having before his Uncle gets killed, not afterwards.

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It's a well established fact that Spidey pretty much goes berserk whenever his loved ones are killed or seriously harmed. That's when he gets serious and stops making wisecracks and the jokes. Even if he merely suspects the guy and is uncertain whether or not this is the person who killed his Uncle, based on how he's portrayed in the comics, he should not be acting this way, especially if still hasn't caught Uncle Ben's killer at this point, which I find to be a problem in and of itself.

That is because comics are generally, though not always, two dimensional (execution-ally speaking). A movie, especially one that is going for realism, needs to show a level of subtlety. It isn't that I don't see where you are coming from. I just think that if they did it the way you explain then it would be too heavy handed, obvious, and boring. Also, you don't know the exact context of the scene, or where it comes from. Maybe save these kind of speculative judgements for the finished product yeah? Yeah.