The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - P - - - Part 19

[Anita18]

In real life, maybe not. But within the context of Batman Begins, we are shown how the League of Shadows does this, which also explains how Bruce is able to do it as Batman despite him being a normal human being with no super powers.

And at this point, Peter is no longer "a normal human being."

I'm a self-proclaimed Nolanite and I had no questions. We're watching this clip completely out of context. Maybe we see Peter watching the would-be carjacker, and also sees a nice car being brought to the valet. As someone pointed out, wouldn't be ridiculous to have snuck in the change-off from the car owner to the valet.

In the HD clip, I heard Spidey's car door slam after he says "Whoa," right before the camera pans over to show he's gone. So that's when he got out. Fast, yes. Impossible, no.

As for his actions and apparent lack of swinging ability...I immediately got the sense that this clip was actually his FIRST TIME swinging, especially if he's crashing into things and being awkward about it, then being so exhilarated. We'll see when the movie comes out.

As I said, this clip is completely out of context so you can't say anything about how Spidey SHOULD be acting until we see the whole thing.

I wasn't going to get involved but I can't help myself. There are plenty of times in horror movies where the antagonist is suddenly in the back seat of the car. If Spider-Man can carry up to ten tonnes in weight then his own body weight must feel like paper to him, allowing him to be extremely quiet.

I was always when someone's already sitting in the passenger seat and surprises the driver when they finally realize someone's there with them.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

And at this point, Peter is no longer "a normal human being."

I'm a self-proclaimed Nolanite and I had no questions. We're watching this clip completely out of context. Maybe we see Peter watching the would-be carjacker, and also sees a nice car being brought to the valet. As someone pointed out, wouldn't be ridiculous to have snuck in the change-off from the car owner to the valet.

In the HD clip, I heard Spidey's car door slam after he says "Whoa," right before the camera pans over to show he's gone. So that's when he got out. Fast, yes. Impossible, no.

As for his actions and apparent lack of swinging ability...I immediately got the sense that this clip was actually his FIRST TIME swinging, especially if he's crashing into things and being awkward about it, then being so exhilarated. We'll see when the movie comes out.

As I said, this clip is completely out of context so you can't say anything about how Spidey SHOULD be acting until we see the whole thing.


I was always when someone's already sitting in the passenger seat and surprises the driver when they finally realize someone's there with them.

No one seems to grasp the concept of the context

 

[Ashes2Phoenix]

And at this point, Peter is no longer "a normal human being."

I'm a self-proclaimed Nolanite and I had no questions. We're watching this clip completely out of context. Maybe we see Peter watching the would-be carjacker, and also sees a nice car being brought to the valet. As someone pointed out, wouldn't be ridiculous to have snuck in the change-off from the car owner to the valet.

In the HD clip, I heard Spidey's car door slam after he says "Whoa," right before the camera pans over to show he's gone. So that's when he got out. Fast, yes. Impossible, no.

As for his actions and apparent lack of swinging ability...I immediately got the sense that this clip was actually his FIRST TIME swinging, especially if he's crashing into things and being awkward about it, then being so exhilarated. We'll see when the movie comes out.

As I said, this clip is completely out of context so you can't say anything about how Spidey SHOULD be acting until we see the whole thing.


I was always when someone's already sitting in the passenger seat and surprises the driver when they finally realize someone's there with them.

Lol, that's why this scene works for me. It is so unexpected to see Spidey behind the car thief. We all know the car thief is about to be in for a big shock !

 

[Smegger56]

No one seems to grasp the concept of the context

I see what you did there

 

[Ashes2Phoenix]

No one seems to grasp the concept of the context

Lol

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

I see what you did there

I love the line, I'm probably going to find ways to sneak it in to my everyday dialogue now

 

[Smegger56]

Do it man. DO IT I SAY

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Do it man. DO IT I SAY

I will..I'll just keep replacing "mask" with appropriate things..I know my girl is going to get sick of hearing it..oh well, she'll be ok

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Some people just like to complain. Fact of life.

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Some people just like to complain. Fact of life.

I agree, Mr. Junior Shabadoo.

*I'm assuming you got your name from that Simpsons episode with Joey JoJo, the man, who according to Moe, has the worst name he's ever heard. If not, my bad

 

[DeathChill]

Yeah, the whole complaint is pretty silly. I am far too lazy to type up a response because it's just silly.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It will get too old too soon

 

[Spider-Who?]

Is there some suspension of belief with regards to Batman seemingly to appear and disappear out of nowhere? Of course, but it is a lot more plausible within the context of the film for two reasons. First, we are shown that Bruce Wayne was trained in the art of theatricality and deception by the League of Shadows, including the art of stealth, so we have an explanation as to why, despite being a normal person without superpowers, he appears to have this supernatural ability to appear and disappear quickly. And second, notice that anytime Batman in those films seems to pop up out of nowhere, it's always happens in mostly open space where there is plenty room for a person to maneuver around with lots of escape opportunities.

In the case of Spider-Man and the carjacker scene, yes he has superhuman speed, but he is also in an enclosed and compact space, specifically the backseat of car which the car thief has to break into since it has locked doors and rolled up windows and not a whole lot of room to maneuver around in. Now is it possible that when the car thief used his electronic unlocking device that it unlocked all the doors at once allowing for Spidey to quickly get in? Maybe. And is it also possible that Spidey quickly opened the back door and left just as the quickly as he got in (some have heard there was was what sounded like the closing of a door just as the car jacker got out). Unfortunately, the scene either doesn't make this clear enough or doesn't really allow much room for either of those possibilities, IMO.

As far as Spidey getting OUT of the car, YES, you can clearly hear the back door open and shut as the camera moves to show the theif climb out the window.

As for getting IN the car, I'll repost what I said on the first page.

People assume that spidey saw the thief breaking in and decided to act. This doesn't make sense with what he says however. Spidey says something along the lines of "if you're going to steal cars, don't dress like a car theif". This suggests that spidey realized this guy was a car theif before the guy even began to break in.

Secondly, we now see that a valet parked the car moments before the theif walks up to it, so we know that the car was unlocked for some time prior to the valet getting out and locking the door.

With these two points, we realize the likely series of events: spidey is on patrol and notices a suspicious guy eyeing a nice car waiting for a valet. He puts two and two together and decides to act. At some point between the car waiting for the valet, and the valet driving and parking the car, spidey hops in and hides in the back. This perfectly explains how spidey manages to bein the car before the theif gets in, and he pretty much explains that with his don't dress like a car theif line.

the scene either doesn't make this clear enough or doesn't really allow much room for either of those possibilities, IMO.

It doesn't make room for other possibilities because if you stop looking for things to complain about, and pay attention to the scene, all the answers are there and the scene makes perfect sense. They don't SHOW spidey getting in and out of the car because it would ruin the point, which is to make the audience experience the scene with the thief. Of course, all of this could be moot because the clip starts without any context. They very well could literally show spidey get in the car as the valet is given the keys, but for as the scene currently stands, it isn't needed. In either case, complaining about it is baseless.

 

[stillanerd]

If fatass Leatherface could get in the backseat before that chick started to drive at the end of TCM: The Beginning, so can Spidey.

Well, with all due respect, citing a horror movie cliche from an incredibly stupid movie in order to explain away and justify a scene actually makes the scene even more ridiculous.

 

[Mary Jane Watson]

Considering how neat what I saw of clips are till now, they cancel many of my concerns about the movie, I know I will be less skeptical

One more thing, I'll try to watch this one in theaters as soon as I can, unless all shows are 3D, my siblings tried 3D and regretted it, guess we have a cheap imitation here, and the fact that we all put glasses on is tick worthy

I am pretty happy that you are probably going to watch the movie in ur theatre. I remember that you rather wait till the DVD release.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I would be more worried about the apparent structural problems, more so then how Spidey gets into the car. Though I can understand the annoyance when others decide for you what is a nitpick and what isn't.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I am pretty happy that you are probably going to watch the movie in ur theatre. I remember that you rather wait till the DVD release.

I usually do, but heck, it's Spider-Man, I should give it a try

 

[Anita18]

I love the line, I'm probably going to find ways to sneak it in to my everyday dialogue now

Me too.

But hopefully in a non-wisecracky a-hole way, because I'm not known for that.

 

[Ashes2Phoenix]

I would be more worried about the apparent structural problems, more so then how Spidey gets into the car. Though I can understand the annoyance when others decide for you what is a nitpick and what isn't.

Stillanerd is clearly nitpicking for the hell of it though. Agreed though if there will be anything to be nit-picked it should be the structure of the movie, etc. Hopefully that will not be the case though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Stillanerd is clearly nitpicking for the hell of it though. Agreed though if there will be anything to be nit-picked it should be the structure of the movie, etc. Hopefully that will not be the case though.

Personally hate problems with logic in film, so I don't consider such things a nitpick.

 

[Ashes2Phoenix]

Personally hate problems with logic in the film, so I don't consider such things a nitpick.

What do you mean D.S. ?

 

[AbsractPo3tic]

Me too.

But hopefully in a non-wisecracky a-hole way, because I'm not known for that.

Lol, I wish I could say the same. Anytime I tell people spider-man is my favorite hero they immediately understand why

 

[stillanerd]

As far as Spidey getting OUT of the car, YES, you can clearly hear the back door open and shut as the camera moves to show the theif climb out the window.

As for getting IN the car, I'll repost what I said on the first page.





It doesn't make room for other possibilities because if you stop looking for things to complain about, and pay attention to the scene, all the answers are there and the scene makes perfect sense. They don't SHOW spidey getting in and out of the car because it would ruin the point, which is to make the audience experience the scene with the thief. Of course, all of this could be moot because the clip starts without any context. They very well could literally show spidey get in the car as the valet is given the keys, but for as the scene currently stands, it isn't needed. In either case, complaining about it is baseless.

Just because it's trying make the point that Spidey is fast and to make the audience just as surprised as the thief doesn't mean one's belief must be completely suspended. If someone's watching the film and they don't notice something they otherwise would, then the film did a great job in pulling the audience into the movie and entertaining them. But the audience starts asking questions during the movie and essentially saying "that doesn't make any sense," then the movie is not doing a good job in pulling people into movie and entertaining them, IMO.

I would be more worried about the apparent structural problems, more so then how Spidey gets into the car. Though I can understand the annoyance when others decide for you what is a nitpick and what isn't.

Well, I would argue how Spidey gets into the car, while not a deal breaker by any means, is an example of structural problem, both in terms of the script and with editing. But yeah, I'm not upset if people thought the scene worked for them. I consider it a healthy disagreement.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What do you mean D.S. ?

When you talk about a characters motivates, we are talking about something subjective. Granted I might not believe the reason why a character is acting like they are, but human motives are complex and at times illogical. So, most of the time I will go with it, even if I am rolling my eyes in the process.

But when you start bending or worse breaking the "rules" of the world you have created, it bothers me. An example for me would be Captain stopping Thor's hammer blow in the Avengers. It is a nice idea, but flies in the face of how they established the shield working in both the First Avenger and the Avengers. So, it annoys me. Doesn't break the film or anything, just annoys.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

Damn, they are all hating on the carjacker clip over at BO forums, I'm stomped, and I don't get it.