The Amazing Spider-Man v.2 - Part 2

[SpideyInATree]

Still getting Daredevil, Punisher, Moon Knight (it's still 3.99 but the story is really good and I love Maleev's work), Ultimate Spider-Man, and then Scarlet Spider will definitely be the highlight on my pull list.

However, the way the sales seem to be going Punisher and Moon Knight may not be around too much longer.

 

[WolfCypher]

I'm dropping Venom and ASM in February because of this over shipping nonsense. It's just not affordable.

I can't afford to drop Venom for obvious reason, but I don't want to pay that much for those books all in one month and still have to pay for other titles/other things. I may have to take it up the &*(, or I may just wait for the TPB to collect that arc. Or I may not buy them.

 

[kguillou]

So, really random but I was on the marvel digital app the other day and looked at the older selection of spiderman titles. I decided to grab a couple from the early 90's ( for 1.99 a piece i was like "eh, why not? plus i'm a 90's kid so I couldn't resist). But i started reading some and my goodness, these books do not age well at all. The writing is just...ugh. I can't tell if its actually bad writing or if its simply "of the era". One of the books I got was Spider-man Unlimited #8 by Tom Lyle, 50 pages and starring Spiderman and the Scarlet Spider. I loved scarlet spider so i figured i could not go wrong for a 50 page adventure featuring him and spidey. But boy was this a tough read. The exposition....oh the exposition. EVERY.SINGLE.THING on the page was described, "Oh No! I'm falling off of this tall building and my web shooters are out of fluid, if i don't do something in the next couple of seconds...I'm doomed!" and this is isn't even internal monologue, the character actually says this out loud!

Anyway, I didn't mean to derail the thread, just thought i'd share this weird experience with y'all.

 

[WolfCypher]

HAHA! I was just talking about bad exposition in late 80s/all 90s comics to my roommate. Every Venom arc in ASM Peter has to reminisce to himself or explain out loud to MJ how he found the symbiote and how he tried to kill it and how it found Eddie and how Venom hates him...literally every appearance had that mandatory recap on a character who appeared just eight months prior, every eight months. Writers tried to move the plot with these inner narratives, but it just slowed the text, and felt like filler dialogue.

 

[kguillou]

Thats why I'm thankful modern writers have abandoned that style and write characters more like...how actual people talk. It makes for a more engaging read imo. All that exposition, and needless explanations really hindered the pace of those comics back then. Chris Claremont is the biggest offender of this, i cannot stand reading his old comics. I just can't do it.

 

[Shockdingo]

It's strange, but I really liked Vulture in this go. Especially how he was floating in the air waiting. The artist really did a good job at making him creepy. He came off almost classic Nosferatu vampiric.

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

I think that both sides are clearly wrong here. JMS is being quite classless with this but I feel that Wacker is completely oblivious to why Marvel is on the decline (it's more than just the declining comic book market IMO).

I agree that is was a dick move on JMS's part, but at the same time I can understand his frustration, considering his run has been blighted by an editorially mandated final story that reversed most of his contributions to the series. Still, dick move.

 

[kguillou]

Plus, if you read his run, you can clearly tell JMS was building up to his own conclusion. You can tell he had a plan. Now we'll never know what JMS' real ending to his run was going to be. Peter's journey to the future in #500, Loki's favor, the spider-totem, morlun, it was all building towards...something.

 

[Will Nolte]

Plus, if you read his run, you can clearly tell JMS was building up to his own conclusion. You can tell he had a plan. Now we'll never know what JMS' real ending to his run was going to be. Peter's journey to the future in #500, Loki's favor, the spider-totem, morlun, it was all building towards...something.

We'll finally get an answer in 20 years. Just like they did with the Clone Saga recently.

 

[WolfCypher]

Plus, if you read his run, you can clearly tell JMS was building up to his own conclusion. You can tell he had a plan. Now we'll never know what JMS' real ending to his run was going to be. Peter's journey to the future in #500, Loki's favor, the spider-totem, morlun, it was all building towards...something.

Wasn't that like the original Hobgoblin saga went? Where the writer that created Hobby had his identity and big reveal ready and was leading up to that then he left Marvel before he could tell that psrt of the story? We had to wait till the mid-late 90s to get the lackluster revelations.

 

[runawayboulder]

Roger Stern left ASM on his own and when Tom DeFalco asked him who he intended the Hobgoblin to be, Stern refused to tell. So really it's kind of his own fault.

 

[Spider-Gnome]

Plus, if you read his run, you can clearly tell JMS was building up to his own conclusion. You can tell he had a plan. Now we'll never know what JMS' real ending to his run was going to be. Peter's journey to the future in #500, Loki's favor, the spider-totem, morlun, it was all building towards...something.

That's how I felt, especially what I bolded. It seemed like something more logical than OMD.

 

[runawayboulder]

I wish they should still use Loki's favor and undo all the Mephisto crap but it would become just the same as DC constantly rebooting. At this point it's best to just forget it and leave it alone.

 

[Shockdingo]

Yea, at this point, as much as I hate what's come to pass, I'm enjoying the stories now and it would:
-Bring back unpleasant old memories
-Get even MORE confusing in regards to continuity.

I just want to move forward.

 

[Godzilla2014]

JMS is now apparently lashing against Marvel in regards to Amazing Spider-Man

I have to say that I wasn't a fan of the mystical spider-totem stuff in his run, but he did write the character pretty well.

 

[kguillou]

Has JMS ever had a complete run on anything without some complications/dropping out of it?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Has JMS ever had a complete run on anything without some complications/dropping out of it?

No.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I have to say that I wasn't a fan of the mystical spider-totem stuff in his run, but he did write the character pretty well.

I thought he wrote the character greatly, IMO. The stuff after The BOok of Ezekiel whent downhill, but before that? It was a lot of fun.

 

[Themanofbat]

JMS wrote a great maxiseries called Midnight Nation about a guy that has to walk....

Err, nevermind...

It was good though...

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

I was never clear on this, but why did he leave Superman and Wonder Woman?

 

[Godzilla2014]

I thought he wrote the character greatly, IMO. The stuff after The BOok of Ezekiel whent downhill, but before that? It was a lot of fun.

Personally, I love the idea of exploring whether or not Peter being bitten by the spider was predetermined destiny or random fate, but I wasn't a fan of the unambiguous/mystical direction it took.

 

[kguillou]

He wanted to work on the Superman Earth One graphic novels full time. Apparently he couldnt juggle both that and the monthly books. Ironically, now the Graphic novels are delayed. There were supposed to be 2 volumes released a year. No one knows when volume 2 of Superman is supposed to come.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I was never clear on this, but why did he leave Superman and Wonder Woman?

To focus on Superman: Earth One Volume 2 and write the Samaritan X OGN. He's decided to temporarily stray away from monthly comics to write OGNs for DC.

 

[runawayboulder]

JMS is a guy, that if he never wrote another Marvel book, I wouldn't be sad.

 

[kguillou]

Thats sad that he had to engage in this kind of behavior especially since marvel is about to finish publishing his "The Twelve" series.