Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - - - Part 49

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This kind of **** right here is exactly what I'm talking about.

Just let it go dude, you are not going to change the internet & fanboy culture, on the flip side you can be just as condescending and a bit of a jerk to a lot of people here, I got love for ya overall because you speak your mind but two wrongs don't make a right. If you can't take the heat don't get close to the flame.
 
No need to get into another battle. Wait til we see the film then we can debate how the scenes come off. I honestly dont expect anything to be crappy when i see this film. Thats just as a fan who trusts Marvel and Joss' judgment.
 
The main complain, more or less, is one we will hear a lot. Some people are getting a bit tired of the formula "and then, there is a big, hugue final climatic battle where the villain is spectacularly fought, and the city/world/universe is at stake." With two, three marvel movies a year, its all getting a bit repetitive for them. TWS got similar comments. "Its all great and then... its a shame it all reverts again into a big spectacular climax where the world is at stake like the rest."

It doesnt bother me, but i get where they are coming from.
 
"Ultimately that’s the real problem with Age of Ultron, the consequences don’t seem that high. Partly that’s because we’ve previously seen bigger stakes in the likes of Thor: The Dark World and Guardians it’s also because it’s all starting to seem a bit familiar. Seeing this crew coming together in The Avengers was exciting and new and the possibility of extraterrestrial interference and the threat of Thanos was big and bold and terrifying. But with two films a year, they’re going to have to change up the formula.

There’s also the issue of Marvel revealing their upcoming slate. For example we know that the massive Infinity War will be covered in two films in the future and that Civil War is on the way in Captain America 3. Together with a planned Thor threequel it’s pretty clear that certain things aren’t going to change this time around so Age of Ultron actually has very little effect on the state of play in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

That’s a shame, especially given all the work which Joss Whedon has put into getting this franchise to where it is today. There’s also a bit of a sense of fatigue about the picture, a little less energy and zing which suggests now is a good time for him to bow out, as he’s decided to do."

I agree with a lot of this.

I was one of those people who thought Marvel revealed their Phase 3 plans too early. You can practically see the whole skeleton and almost see what each film is leading up to (at least with the Avengers/Cap/Thor films).

As a result, a lot of AoU's ending is already predictable. That's not to say there still can't be surprises in the film, but nothing to the extent of how TWS surprised people with the HYDRA reveal. It's meant to be as much of a game changer as Avengers and TWS in-universe, except that we kinda know the punchline. It even seems like people are generally speculating more over what happens after AoU than what will happen in AoU itself.

None of this is particularly Whedon's fault, but it will hurt the film a little bit IMO. I think Marvel should have waited till 2015 to make their announcements (minus a few obvious exceptions like the films for 2016 and the Spider-Man related ones).
 
Yeah I get that huge climax complaint. I dont know how many more movies they can keep doing that with. Im actually tired of it too. But I feel like if the movie itself is really good otherwise I can accept the big battles. It does help if theyre fun to watch. As long as they entertain us then its not so bad.
 
I think Ant Man will kinda skewer that "big climax" thing with it's final battle atop Thomas the Tank Engine :)
 
Whiskey: You can rant all you want but until we all see the FINISHED FILM that BS makes no difference. You know it. If those scenes are really total crap like you're saying then you can say you told us so. But right now its just more complaining with no real proof thats what we're getting.

It's uncanny how you act like you know what I'm complaining about when I actually haven't yet stated what I disliked about the clip. So stop putting words in my mouth.

And there's no requirement to "see the entire film before judging" if what you're discussing is relegated to the clip itself. No one is "ripping on the entire film", something else you're manufacturing out of thin air.
 
Like with Iron Man 3 I'm starting to get the sense that the opinions depend on whether or not you're a fan of the source material, but with the positions reversed. For instance, the positive reviews highlight stuff like how the Vision comes "straight off the page" and "this is what the fans have been waiting for!" while the more tempered ones have said stuff about him being a Deus Ex Machina.



And I think people who accuse anyone who dislikes the film of being trolls or fanboys for rival studios need to chill out and realize not everyone is going to like the same thing.


but i think thats a valid issue. if they dont properly set up the finale so that it has been properly established within the film, and instead relies on audience knowledge of the source material, then it becomes fan service and not a well built film. That is a valid complaint. You shouldnt need to have read the books in order to enjoy/understand/follow the film. It should be self contained unto itself.
 
Whiskey Tango: It's uncanny how you act like you know what I'm complaining about when I actually haven't yet stated what I disliked about the clip. So stop putting words in my mouth.

And there's no requirement to "see the entire film before judging" if what you're discussing is relegated to the clip itself.

See? Youre nitpicking again! :lmao:
 
Yeah I get that huge climax complaint. I dont know how many more movies they can keep doing that with. Im actually tired of it too. But I feel like if the movie itself is really good otherwise I can accept the big battles. It does help if theyre fun to watch. As long as they entertain us then its not so bad.


agreed re: third act fatigue
that's why I was hoping there wouldn't be another "Avengers vs. Drone Army" finale in this one
would've been great to see just the Avengers fighting a badass super powerful Ultron
but hey, as long as Spader sells it and the movie's good, I can deal with one more big battle ending
 
I think the hughe battles at the end have been enough different between them not to be bothersome yet, but... its starting to feel like its arriving to a dead end.
 
The whole "We won again" thing definitely needs to be changed in some way. I dont know how.
 
I liked the ending of GotG the most. I liked how there was real emphasis on protecting the people. The Nova Corps barrier thing was awesome to see on the big screen.

And with Avengers and GotG in particular, it's all about the characters despite the destruction and carnage. The battles have PERSONALITY. You're not just staring at the screen dumbfounded... you're cheering or laughing or smiling or wincing.

The Winter Soldier. Yea three Helicarriers got destroyed. But what were the truly memorable moments? It was Cap squaring off with Bucky. Widow and Fury taking out Pierce.

Plus let's not kid ourselves, massive climaxes have been what blockbusters are about since... well, since they began. Were people criticising the original Star Wars movies for the finales?
 
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but i think thats a valid issue. if they dont properly set up the finale so that it has been properly established within the film, and instead relies on audience knowledge of the source material, then it becomes fan service and not a well built film. That is a valid complaint. You shouldnt need to have read the books in order to enjoy/understand/follow the film. It should be self contained unto itself.

And Whedon completely agrees with you. Be patient.
 
Whiskey: when someone watches a clip from an unreleased movie and judges it as terrible I could give a *****. Critical thought should come AFTER you've seen the entire movie so you can give an honest, truthful analysis. Youre prejudging a films quality you havent seen from a stupid 1 minute clip. Kinda pointless imo.

But Im a Marvel fanboy so dont listen to me.
 
Yeah the massive end battle thing with rampant destruction can get tiresome especially if we have to see it multiple times each year.

For one of these movies, i'd love to see the climax just be an extended mano a mano confrontation between the hero and villain. No world/universe fate in the balance, Just a bad guy that needs to be taught a lesson. Raid 2 style.
 
but i think thats a valid issue. if they dont properly set up the finale so that it has been properly established within the film, and instead relies on audience knowledge of the source material, then it becomes fan service and not a well built film. That is a valid complaint. You shouldnt need to have read the books in order to enjoy/understand/follow the film. It should be self contained unto itself.

No, I agree with you, that's what I was saying and why I mentioned the polarizing reactions to Iron Man 3 since it seemed to be the opposite case. Critics who didn't read the comics tended to praise the acting, writing, and the Mandarin twist from objective viewpoints, while fans seemed to focus on stuff like "WHY DID THEY RUIN THE MANDARIN?!" and "RHODEY ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IRON PATRIOT!"

Whereas now it seems to be the opposite, with the negative or tempered reviews pointing out stuff from an objective standpoint (certain jokes not landing, certain characters being underdeveloped, the final battle being confusing and without stakes) and certain fans decrying those reviewers as trolls or idiots who don't get the majesty of comics.
 
T"Challa;31142885 said:
For one of these movies, i'd love to see the climax just be an extended mano a mano confrontation between the hero and villain. No world/universe fate in the balance, Just a bad guy that needs to be taught a lesson. Raid 2 style.


or Daredevil style!
lol
 
Reviews are pouring in...just Google it and u will find at least 5 of them.. mostly 3/5-4/5 ratings given
 
And Whedon completely agrees with you. Be patient.

is this a discussion board or not?

i wasnt judging the film. the guy i was responding to said he noticed a trend in the reviews. im saying if thats accurate, its a legitimate issue, and not some ******** anti marvel whatever. should we all just shut up and wax poetic about this movie until two weeks from now? or should we be able to have discussions here? because it certainly seems that anything REMOTELY negative or concerning about this film gets told to shut up, be patient, theyre just nitpicky anti MCU dbags, whatever.

If we cant accurately judge the ills of a movie based on clips and reviews, then we cant sing its praises based on those 30 second clips and reviews either? right?
 
Guy: That clip sucks!

Me: well, wait til you see the movie maybe its not the final edit.

Guy: SHUT UP! I can say whatever I want! This is my critical analysis of the clip.

Me: Yes youre right but youre *****ing about a 5 second CGI shot from a 2 + hour movie thats not even out yet and it doesnt make much sense.

Guy: SHUT UP! I can discuss it if I want to in a critical way because Im a critic who wants to discuss it with a critique.

Me: Whatever
 
Guy: That clip sucks!

Me: well, wait til you see the movie maybe its not the final edit.

Guy: SHUT UP! I can say whatever I want! This is my critical analysis of the clip.

Me: Yes youre right but youre *****ing about a 5 second CGI shot from a 2 + hour movie thats not even out yet and it doesnt make much sense.

Guy: SHUT UP! I can discuss it if I want to in a critical way because Im a critic who wants to discuss it with a critique.

Me: Whatever

yes, we can tell you are very "whatever" about this lol
 
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