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[captainrogers]

Rocketeer was a GREAT film.

 

[captainrogers]

RE: Sucker Punch. If you haven't seen it but insist on watching it, do so with the volume on mute, your favorite rock LP playing and pretend it's a very long music video. If you try to follow the "story" your brain will try to punch your eyes out.

Heh.
Cosigned.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

If Johnston didn't have to contend with the Avengers deadline, Cap woulda been a much better film.

 

[The Morningstar]

Wait... Mark Waid is writing a new Rocketeer series?

 

[captainrogers]

Wait... Mark Waid is writing a new Rocketeer series?

For REALS!?!

 

[Iceman]

The best superhero film imo is Incredibles. For me it has everything. Great characters with believable development who all interact really well. A great villain with a unique plot. Amazing visuals and story structure/pacing. Plus it is just so layered. It has everything from superhero iconography/symbolism (Edna's Greek God mural), to clever use of metaphors (impotency) and just real relatable, true to life themes that apply to everyone. It also is actually both a really smart deconstruction AND reconstruction of the superhero genre. With the whole "NO CAPES!" thing kinda tearing some of the mythology down. But it also builds it back up and is a perfect demonstration of why people love superheroes.

Yea, it has everything.

It's great. It does have everything except live action.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Wait... Mark Waid is writing a new Rocketeer series?

Yessir! As of now it's the only new comic series I plan to buy this year

http://www.idwpublishing.com/news/article/2269/

 

[Poni_Boy]

If Johnston didn't have to contend with the Avengers deadline, Cap woulda been a much better film.

Agreed. That's why we'll be able to track the post-Avengers mentality of MS is by Shane Black's involvement with IM3. He does not take likely to studio interference and will quickly bail on the project if they tread on him. I doubt Johnson or Branagh are the same way.

 

[Iceman]

Finally, someone besides myself that has the guts to say this on this thread.

"Lifeless backdrop" is exactly what came to mind during my first & second viewings of the film, same goes for "atrocious" when Weaving's rubber face would come on-screen.

I think most people have the 'guts' to say whatever their opinion is on anything here and your views on most subjects have not been unique (maybe 20ft Hulk is an exception ). It's just important when consistently repeating negative points in a forum originated from excitement for the subject matter to express yourself appropriately/constructively. Given your love of TIH (which I also love.. minus Tim Blake Nelson) you would probably notice this issue more if someone came in here solely to bash TIH all day long.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

3 thru Returns NEVER happened, in my eyes.

I could say the same, except Robot Vera still occasionally haunts my dreams.

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Seriously I was like 8 and that **** scared the hell out of me. brrr!

 

[Matchstick]

I think the first 40 minutes of "Captain America" compare favorably with any superhero movie you could name. I find it just captivating. After Steve's transformation and that great chase scene following, the movie never manages to be quite as involving or as clever as it was previous, IMO.

I think it recaptures a bit of it in the climax, which is really cool, but I think it could have been the best superhero movie of them all if the entire movie had been crafted with as much care and skill as the first third.

 

[protocida]

The orbital bomber plane had a damaged navigation system with a locked destination in New York City and was filled with weapons of mass destruction. What else Cap could have done?

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

The best superhero film imo is Incredibles. For me it has everything. Great characters with believable development who all interact really well. A great villain with a unique plot. Amazing visuals and story structure/pacing. Plus it is just so layered. It has everything from superhero iconography/symbolism (Edna's Greek God mural), to clever use of metaphors (impotency) and just real relatable, true to life themes that apply to everyone. It also is actually both a really smart deconstruction AND reconstruction of the superhero genre. With the whole "NO CAPES!" thing kinda tearing some of the mythology down. But it also builds it back up and is a perfect demonstration of why people love superheroes.

Yea, it has everything.

This, all the way. Yes, yes, yes!

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Poni, I'm also a believer that Cassavetes woulda made a much better Cap film than Johnston did. Same goes for Vaughn with Thor - & both those guys bailed. But yeah, Branagh & Johnston were definitely brought on to play nice with the management & relinquish the auteur approach to making films. Jenkins apparently learned that would be the case with Thor II & jumped ship. The Jenkins thing is what worries me regarding IM3. I love me some Shane Black, but not if he's on a leash.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

RE: Sucker Punch. If you haven't seen it but insist on watching it, do so with the volume on mute, your favorite rock LP playing and pretend it's a very long music video. If you try to follow the "story" your brain will try to punch your eyes out.

I like Snyder's work overall and I think Man of Steel is going to be awesome but Sucker Punch is the one time I feel he missed the mark.

 

[Pond]

Great news on Waid´s involment on a new Rocketeer; didnt know. Thanks for the heads up, Poni.

 

[Poni_Boy]

The orbital bomber plane had a damaged navigation system with a locked destination in New York City and was filled with weapons of mass destruction. What else Cap could have done?

Since he was still thousands of miles away? Trying something else first would have been my guess. Break the controls, drops the bombs, crash the plane and try to "Super soldier" jump off. I dunno. Peggy's a fine piece of ass. I would have tried something.

 

[Matchstick]

The orbital bomber plane had a damaged navigation system with a locked destination in New York City and was filled with weapons of mass destruction. What else Cap could have done?

I think the problem wasn't really what he did, but that either the script (or the way the film was edited) never bothered to sell us on why he needed to do it. It's pretty baffling that no one in the production noticed that. It would only take a couple lines of dialogue to fix it.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Poni, I'm also a believer that Cassavetes woulda made a much better Cap film than Johnston did. Same goes for Vaughn with Thor - & both those guys bailed. But yeah, Branagh & Johnston were definitely brought on to play nice with the management & relinquish the auteur approach to making films. Jenkins apparently learned that would be the case with Thor II & jumped ship. The Jenkins thing is what worries me regarding IM3. I love me some Shane Black, but not if he's on a leash.

My faith in Shane Black is solely because of RDJ. He has the power to single handedly make MS back off if need be.

Johnson I like as a director. Rocketeer is incredibly underrated, and Jurassic Park III is better storywise than Lost World IMO. I think he did as great a job with Cap as he is capable of, which is all we can ask of any director.

As far a Jenkins goes, man, that really had be excited for Thor 2. Same outside the box thinking as Favs for Iron Man. Too bad.

 

[Iceman]

I like Snyder's work overall and I think Man of Steel is going to be awesome but Sucker Punch is the one time I feel he missed the mark.

I think MOS could be amazing and end up as my favourite Superman film. I just don't have time to get excited about it yet, at least until this summer's big guns are out of the way.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I think the problem wasn't really what he did, but that either the script (or the way the film was edited) never bothered to sell us on why he needed to do it. It's pretty baffling that no one in the production noticed that. It would only take a couple lines of dialogue to fix it.

Pretty much. The ending would have been fine if they would have sold the "imminent" threat. I compare that scene to a situation where an EPA/bodyguard has to take a bullet for his principle. If the guy is ten blocks away screaming "I'M GONNA KILL YOU!!" then there's no need for you to jump in front of the purported bullet.

 

[Raiden]

Since he was still thousands of miles away? Trying something else first would have been my guess. Break the controls, drops the bombs, crash the plane and try to "Super soldier" jump off. I dunno. Peggy's a fine piece of ass. I would have tried something.

I felt that the scene might've been a bit less "controversial" if it was shown that the plane was heavily damaged by the Cosmic Cube after Red Skull touched it, and Rogers crashed along with it after he was knocked unconscious. But the scene played it out like it did because they wanted Rogers to have his one, last radio conversation with Peggy, which I think was very well-done and sentimental, but that also makes people skeptical on whether he could've avoid the crash in the first place.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I think MOS could be amazing and end up as my favourite Superman film. I just don't have time to get excited about it yet, at least until this summer's big guns are out of the way.

Same. The constant complaining about his lack of trunks killed any desire I had to spend time on those boards. Maybe after the trailer is released.

 

[Incredible Hans]

1) Agreed

2) Agreed x2

You and me, we're going places

Side note: Can anyone tell me why Doc Ock never got knocked out with Spidey punching him in the face over and over? That's what ruined the train scene for me.

Thank you for this.

I always felt the same way.

Doc Ock isn't genetically enhanced. Apart from the tentacles on his back, he is still a normal human being. Direct punches in his face by someone as strong as Spider-Man should have ripped his head off.

SM2 is indeed overrated. A good movie still, but the middle section felt kind of boring to me. Too much soap opera.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Poni, you got any inkling as to who the studio might go after for Cap 2? I'd give it to Joe Wright.