Arrow The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 1

[The Guard]

I much prefer the spiritual/legacy aspects of the speed force.

 

[Paradox1]

I rather some quasi science explanation for the speed force. Such as in a episode of Star Trek Voyager they broke the warp 10 rule. At that speed they were everywhere and nowhere simultaneously. Which I believe could be a good place to start of what the speed force is.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Strange, my recollection of why Wally wasnt as fast as Barry was his mental block/subconscious speed restriction that he unknowingly placed upon himself, brought about by his fear of replacing Barry and eventually becoming a better Flash. I didnt think it was actually anything to do with the Speed Force [in fact, I dont even think Waid had featured it yet at that point] - did he then introduce the Speed Force and claim it was all down to that? I havent read Flash for a while.

The very same story the "mental block" stuff is featured in, the Speed Force is also introduced, and it was never said that the Speed Force concept was brought about to make Wally "superior" to Barry in the comics as like part of the story, but from a writing standpoint that was why it was done (it's been mentioned in interviews before as well).

 

[HighFivingMF]

Vibe!

Like sister series “Arrow”, The CW’s “The Flash” plans to surround it’s central character with a few familiar faces from it’s comic origins.
Word is Hispanic hero Cisco Ramon aka ‘Vibe’ will be fighting crime alongside senor speedy on the David Nutter-directed pilot.
In his 20s, the cheeky Ramon fought his underprivileged upbringing to become one of the smartest, most talented chaps around; when it comes to mechanical engineering, there’s nobody better. Somewhat of a metahuman, the guy’s main power is his ability to emit powerful vibratory shock waves.
In the comics, Ramon would ultimately inherit a place in the ‘Justice League of America’.
It’s rumoured that the character, should he prove popular, could become a regular on the series.
“The Flash” begins filming in Vancouver in March.

http://moviehole.net/201371399exclusive-vibe-to-appear-in-the-flash-series#.UrxGW9JDvbO

 

[Loki882]

Cool, I've got no issue with that. I'd love to see Stargirl and Zatanna pop up as well at some point.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I have no opinion on the Vibe news. He's never been a character I like. The one nice thing about his inclusion is if he's portrayed well, it'll be nice to have a respectful interpretation of a hispanic superhero.

Let's hope his costume is heavily changed. I think that was the main thing that turned me off the character. He always had such a bad costume.

 

[Maximus One]

Oh wow big surprise. You can really tell just how hard of a grip Johns has on this show. I'm gonna be seriously upset if Captain Cold/Leanord Snart isn't a regular here. He needs to be like Lex to Clark in Smallville. Show their stories as a parallel. Flash gets his powers and we see him taking his first steps to becoming a true hero and Cold on the other end after seeing what the Flash can do deduces that cold could be his one true weaknesses (slowing down the vibration of his molecules) and we get to see him create his first freeze gun and subsequently start forming The Rogues, who should be like side characters who pop in every few episodes here and there but not exactly regulars. Then, you can also show The Rogues having to team up with Flash to take down bigger threats to Central City. Cold has to be a regular here. It's the one thing that I feel NEEDS to be an integral part of the show

 

[Sawyer]

Oh wow big surprise. You can really tell just how hard of a grip Johns has on this show. I'm gonna be seriously upset if Captain Cold/Leanord Snart isn't a regular here. He needs to be like Lex to Clark in Smallville. Show their stories as a parallel. Flash gets his powers and we see him taking his first steps to becoming a true hero and Cold on the other end after seeing what the Flash can do deduces that cold could be his one true weaknesses (slowing down the vibration of his molecules) and we get to see him create his first freeze gun and subsequently start forming The Rogues, who should be like side characters who pop in every few episodes here and there but not exactly regulars. Then, you can also show The Rogues having to team up with Flash to take down bigger threats to Central City. Cold has to be a regular here. It's the one thing that I feel NEEDS to be an integral part of the show

Well, he is one-third of the pilot's writing team...

 

[Maximus One]

Also, I think it's fairly obvious the Speed Force is gonna play a part here. The shockwave that happened with the accelerator clearly looked like Speed Force energy as did the lightning that struck Barry. I hope it's included. I like The Speed Force. This powerful universal force that keeps time moving forward? Hell yea, I've always thought that's an awesome explanation for Flash's powers

 

[HighFivingMF]

Alright, here's the scoop. In pilot episode for The Flash, there is a character called "Detective Eddie Thawne" which sounds a lot like Eobard Thawne, the name of Professor Zoom. Now, that's not a lot to go on, so I did some additional digging and it turns out that he may very well become the villain we all know and love. The description for the character states that he is "leading man handsome" (late 20s-early/mid 30s) and has recently transferred to Central City Police Department from Keystone. Thawne is set to be loved within the precinct and takes the credit for a lot of things that Barry can't. (We assume this'll mean he takes credit for some of The Flash's work, but that's just speculation on our part). However, the most intriguing part about this character is that his past will be a complete mystery. No one knows where he comes from, and he "harbors a dark secret". That does sound very ambiguous, but as a comic fan, it's easy to put one-and-one together to make two.

Also mentions an openly gay character. Pretty obvious that one would be Singh.

http://www.bludhavenbanter.com/2013/12/Flash-Villain-Series-Regular.html

 

[Boy Scout]

Well, he is one-third of the pilot's writing team...

I don't really care for his writing, so I hope it doesn't come through too much.

 

[DrCosmic]

So at what point do you decide something doesn't make up a character or not? Obviously how he looks isn't important in your opinion - so what else do you determine is unimportant to a character?

How he looks is important, but small changes to his look - jawline/facial features/skin tone aren't. No one makes a big fuss about Gustin not looking just like Alex Ross Flash... why should I make a big fuss about Arrow-verse Wally not looking like Michael Turner Flash?

I think the question who should be asking, more so than costumes and Wally West, is classic Rouges or N52 Rogues?

A mix. The particle accelerator giving many people powers based on what they came into contact with after the explosion makes sense. Having a bunch of improbable technology that only ever manifests in single iterations of uber weapons is pretty dumb, imho. I do like the classic motivations and dynamics though.

On Costume:

As simple and clean as possible. Obviously it needs a rich texture. Let the headpiece stuff evolve. No need to try and justify a bunch of lightning bolt antennas from day 1.

 

[Kevin Smith]

How he looks is important, but small changes to his look - jawline/facial features/skin tone aren't. No one makes a big fuss about Gustin not looking just like Alex Ross Flash... why should I make a big fuss about Arrow-verse Wally not looking like Michael Turner Flash?

Alex Ross Flash being the "definitive" looking Flash for many is debatable, first off (I hate how he draws the ear pieces for instance and think it's one of his weaker portrayals), Gustin is serviceable for many comic book drawings of Barry Allen as Flash (DC: The New Frontier, old Barry Allen comics, Barry has been portrayed as sort of lankey looking at times), and you're comparing subtleties in drawings to major, obvious differences like the color of someone. It's not that a black dude wouldn't look like Michael Turner's Wally West, it's that he wouldn't look like ANY Wally West.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Also mentions an openly gay character. Pretty obvious that one would be Singh.

http://www.bludhavenbanter.com/2013/12/Flash-Villain-Series-Regular.html

This will be interesting. The fact that they're making Thawne a part of the Central City police should quell some peoples' problems with him not being a "contemporary" threat...sounds like they're merging Thawne and Hunter Zolomon a little, which actually sounds kind of cool - like they're taking the "best' from both characters (although I always preferred Thawne to Zolomon all around, but some cool things were still done with Zolomon, IMO). Interesting.

EDIT: I do hope they will be keeping the whole time travelling villain thing in tact and that Thawne WILL be from the future...

Having Thawne working at the CCPD in the present also finds a way to make him a regular character on the show that interacts with the rest of the main cast on the show regularly before showing up as a "villain" (in costume, powers, etc), so I could see why they'd go that route I suppose.

 

[cleverusername8]

This will be interesting. The fact that they're making Thawne a part of the Central City police should quell some peoples' problems with him not being a "contemporary" threat...sounds like they're merging Thawne and Hunter Zolomon a little, which actually sounds kind of cool - like they're taking the "best' from both characters (although I always preferred Thawne to Zolomon all around, but some cool things were still done with Zolomon, IMO). Interesting.

EDIT: I do hope they will be keeping the whole time travelling villain thing in tact and that Thawne WILL be from the future...

Having Thawne working at the CCPD in the present also finds a way to make him a regular character on the show that interacts with the rest of the main cast on the show regularly before showing up as a "villain" (in costume, powers, etc), so I could see why they'd go that route I suppose.

I always thought that Thawne was much more interesting than Zolomon. It's almost like they're diluting the character by merging them like this

That's my personal opinion of course. I'm sure that they're going to keep the time traveling portion in though. Remember Barry mentions "seeing a person" in the blur that killed his mother. That part of the story seems locked in. However, the relationship and rivalry that Barry/Eobard develop was very deep and very cool in the comics. That's one part I wish they wouldn't tinker with - and I'm usually laid back with changed origins (within reason).

I guess we'll see where this heads.

 

[DrCosmic]

Alex Ross Flash being the "definitive" looking Flash for many is debatable, first off (I hate how he draws the ear pieces for instance and think it's one of his weaker portrayals), Gustin is serviceable for many comic book drawings of Barry Allen as Flash (DC: The New Frontier, old Barry Allen comics, Barry has been portrayed as sort of lankey looking at times), and you're comparing subtleties in drawings to major, obvious differences like the color of someone. It's not that a black dude wouldn't look like Michael Turner's Wally West, it's that he wouldn't look like ANY Wally West.

I guess I don't think of the color of someone's skin is a major difference, unless their culture makes a major difference. Same with hair color. Same with facial features, I don't go through and say 'well, no Wally West had this nose, so BLARGHABLARGH.'

I think race has been made to be a bigger deal than it is (which is saying something, because sometimes it's a really big deal)... but sometimes... it's just not.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I always thought that Thawne was much more interesting than Zolomon. It's almost like they're diluting the character by merging them like this

That's my personal opinion of course. I'm sure that they're going to keep the time traveling portion in though. Remember Barry mentions "seeing a person" in the blur that killed his mother. That part of the story seems locked in. However, the relationship and rivalry that Barry/Eobard develop was very deep and very cool in the comics. That's one part I wish they wouldn't tinker with - and I'm usually laid back with changed origins (within reason).

I guess we'll see where this heads.

I agree, Thawne is hundreds times more interesting than Zolomon to me as well, and more threatening/ villainous too, IMO. I was just saying how I could see what they were doing with that. Not how I'd do it but I'm curious to see where it goes.

I do agree though, the Barry/Thawne dynamic is a great one as it is...I really hope they don't change it too much.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I guess I don't think of the color of someone's skin is a major difference,

What if they started coloring Sinestro orange or rainbow colored instead of purple?

unless their culture makes a major difference. Same with hair color.

Blonde Superman?

Same with facial features, I don't go through and say 'well, no Wally West had this nose, so BLARGHABLARGH.'

I think race has been made to be a bigger deal than it is (which is saying something, because sometimes it's a really big deal)... but sometimes... it's just not.

Except that Wally West isn't black...at all.

 

[HighFivingMF]

What if they started coloring Sinestro orange or rainbow colored instead of purple?

Fine.

Blonde Superman?

Sure.

Except that Wally West isn't black...at all.

'Til now.

 

[Savage]

Fine.





Sure.





'Til now.

Chicago Fire's Eamonn Walker for Wildcat. Just throwing this stuff out there while we're on a race changing kick. And I've been saying Idris Elba for Batman for ages but Affleck already has that.

 

[Boy Scout]

Fine.





Sure.





'Til now.

I actually agree with this.

 

[The Guard]

I'm okay with including Thawne this way, only because it's pretty much hinted that he's from the future (and likely that he's involved in Barry's mother's murder).

 

[Boy Scout]

I'm kind of iffy about time travel. I'm a little anxious to see how they'll pull it off. It'll either be pretty damn cool or it'll make me roll my eyes.

 

[Savage]

I'm really looking forward to that aspect. I love crazy Sci-fi stuff like this and way too many shows have been grounded in reality, including superherostuff. I'd like for Flash to reintroduce the world to the ridiculous and the amazing. Time travel, future speedsters, past speedsters, all of that stuff. I'm pretty excited for a Jay Garrick appearance.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Fine.

Seriously? What if this topic had been brought up independently and not because of a "racial issue", where you are required to answer "yes" for your the sake of your view's consistency, what would your answer had been then?

Sure.

**** that. What kind of Superman fan are you? Lol.

'Til now.

**** that too. And even so, wrong, as he technically doesn't "exist" yet, and even his inclusion in this (as-yet-to-air) show is mere speculation at this point.