The Flash The Barry Allen/The Flash Thread - Part 3

[Kevin Smith]

Yet it compliments Gustin's chin than it ever does on paper. Surely you know not every costume design going to have the same touch as James Achenson's Spider-Man costume.

Oh please dude it'd look just as good if not better without it. It doesn't make or break the suit. And no, I don't expect every costume design for a live auction adaptation to look identical to the source material.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Ooh, I like this:

Here's hoping they switch the symbol to white!

Much better. The main problem is all the different shades of red just don't work well together at all

Idk how they could nail the cowl so perfectly and then utterly fail on the rest of the suit

 

[Kevin Smith]

Once againnnnnn though you make it sound as if the reasons you're giving for it being bad are some sort of truth/fact. God damn.

My reasons for disliking it are rational and based in logic and no one has disproved them. If they did the suit how I suggested nearly everyone would like it - guarantee it.

 

[Sterling Archer]

(I'm an artist, I know what I'm talking about)

Great. More reasoning for why your opinion is better than everyone else's. And because of you this thread is going to be endless back and forth b*tching of the costume that doesn't actually go anywhere rather than discussing the possibilities of the show. Thanks.

 

[The Shape]

I think that's what they're going for. It's his first suit. It's going to look a bit less professional. I wouldn't be surprised if he upgrades to yellow boots and all in future seasons.

Yeah, it's almost a given that the suit will evolve to become even more traditional.

It's smart that they leave room for improvement and evolution for the character. We know things change as a TV show stretches on. I'd rather them move towards his traditional look, rather than to start with the traditional look and then move away from it with eventual modifications to the suit as time goes on.

 

[Compi716]

I hate to say it, but I've got to side with Kevin Smith on this one (even though he is a bit of an extremist...no offense, dude). I think the suit is just "okay." Not great, not terrible. It would definitely benefit from being more comic accurate.

I mean, think about it like this: if Marvel was making this, what would the suit look like? Would they change up a bunch of the design elements, or would they do whatever they could to make the original design work?

 

[Kevin Smith]

There is a difference between being a fan and being a fanboy. A fan likes a character so they can accept different interpretations as long as it maintains the spirit of the original. A fanboy will spend pages and pages complaining that something isn't completely accurate and anyone who likes it is wrong.

Just something to think about.

So are you allowed to stand for something you consider essential to the character and defend it or is that considered annoying fanboyism to you?

 

[Rorschach2012]

i guess my problem is i was expecting something movie quality. All the positive comments are saying "it's good for a tv show"

but "good for a tv show" isn't enough for me. based on that tease of the cowl, I was expecting something movie quality, not CW quality.

The CW budget shows through the suit

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I mean, think about it like this: if Marvel was making this, what would the suit look like? Would they change up a bunch of the design elements, or would they do whatever they could to make the original design work?

Well they changed Iron Man's, Cap's and Thor's costume...

Just so people remember what Cap's iconic costume is

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I like the look of the costume, it's not as good looking as the comic book costume(s) imo, but I like it

 

[Kevin Smith]

Actually I know the wings are about the Greek messenger thing, but the lightening bolts just make more sense to me. They look good.

Except EVS doesn't draw them as "wings" either, they look more like fins or two rods that go straight back, even if you'd technically call them "wings", the Barry Allen Flash isn't a reference to Mercury or Hermes or Greek mythology of old like Jay Garrick was so naturally his ear pieces are not supposed to be feathery looking wings like what Captain America, Thor, Jay Garrick, and Namor have, but rather more rod like looking, that's what I was saying looked good and would be perfect for live action:

They may be "wings" but they're not in the traditional sense for sure...definitely more rod like...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Am I the only one who REALLY hates this suit? Like REALLY hates it?

Why?

 

[Lord Valumart]

Except EVS doesn't draw them as "wings" either, they look more like fins or two rods that go straight back, even if you'd technically call them "wings", the Barry Allen Flash isn't a reference to Mercury or Hermes or Greek mythology of old like Jay Garrick was so naturally his ear pieces are not supposed to be feathery looking wings like what Captain America, Thor, Jay Garrick, and Namor have, but rather more rod like looking, that's what I was saying looked good and would be perfect for live action:

They may be "wings" but they're not in the traditional sense for sure...definitely more rod like...

They're a carry over from Jay. Wings is wings. I like bolts better.

 

[Jason Kane]

Oh please dude it'd look just as good if not better without it. It doesn't make or break the suit. And no, I don't expect every costume design for a live auction adaptation to look identical to the source material.

Then chill out before you pop a blood vessel!

 

[Broseph44]

My reasons for disliking it are rational and based in logic and no one has disproved them. If they did the suit how I suggested nearly everyone would like it - guarantee it.

Do you listen to yourself when you talk? So arrogant on your high horse over here. You sound so childish and immature. And once again preaching as if what you say is fact or law. And how you'd do things differently would be the right way and this way is wrong. You're really unbelievable.

 

[king666]

The "leather chest piece" makes his chest look small. Too many textures, too. And the yellow lines look cheap.

The cowl still looks good.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Ooh, I like this:

Here's hoping they switch the symbol to white!

I definitely like this look better but looking at the way the lightning part of the logo is on his chest (how the bottom tail is shorter than the top part) and how it is on the ear piece it REALLY looks like they just half assed his chest logo and stuck it to the sides of his head. Just terrible. Something's gotta be done about those ear pieces, they ruin an otherwise perfect cowl.

Ethan Van Sciver ear pieces are where it's at:

 

[Mad Love]

The only major tweak I would make is the emblem. A little bigger and marble background that isn't too bright. That would be feasible. Didn't change the color other than add contrast and got rid of the blue overcast.

 

[Boy Scout]

I'm with ya on all points, my brotha. I also gotta say that I do like that it's not all made out of the same material and has more than one texture to it, but it's not overcomplicated or made out of 30 different materials as other more hyperbolic posters have stated.

Same. That was clever of them. I feel I'd like the suit a little less if it were made of only one kind of material.

I know it'll look so much better in the context of the show. I'm excited.

Same here!

Great. More reasoning for why your opinion is better than everyone else's. And because of you this thread is going to be endless back and forth b*tching of the costume that doesn't actually go anywhere rather than discussing the possibilities of the show. Thanks.

Actually, if that does happen, it won't be entirely his fault. We don't have to respond to him. I don't agree with anything he's saying and I think he's acting like a child, but I'm not engaging him in conversation. If more people did the same, there would be a lot less yelling.

Yeah, it's almost a given that the suit will evolve to become even more traditional.

I feel the same way.

It's smart that they leave room for improvement and evolution for the character. We know things change as a TV show stretches on. I'd rather them move towards his traditional look, rather than to start with the traditional look and then move away from it with eventual modifications to the suit as time goes on.

I didn't even think of it like that. Great point.

I mean, think about it like this: if Marvel was making this, what would the suit look like?

Marvel has been making mostly movies, which means they had a ton of money at their disposal. This is a television show on a lesser network. You can't compare the two.

i guess my problem is i was expecting something movie quality. All the positive comments are saying "it's good for a tv show"

I've skimmed over a few posts, so I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty sure nobody said that.

but "good for a tv show" isn't enough for me.

Even though the suit was made for...a TV show?

based on that tease of the cowl, I was expecting something movie quality, not CW quality.

Okay, two things.

1) That "tease" was an image of the suit in the proper context. You're criticizing the suit based off what it looks like in an improper context.

2) Expecting a movie quality outfit from a CW television show was your fault, not theirs.

The CW budget shows through the suit

Well...yeah.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Here's the thing you don't seem to get KS. Is it perfect? No. Is it good enough that it doesn't hinder the potential of the show? Yes. It looks like the Flash. Arrow's costume isn't perfect but it's good enough that I can enjoy the show without constantly thinking about the costume. At the end of the day the writing and acting will make or break the show, not how accurate the costume is.

 

[Crimz]

Maybe JWS is Jay. him and Barry share a bond and by the end of season 1 the big villain kills Jay, and Barry has his helmet and adds the wings to commemorate him.

 

[Jason Kane]

Maybe JWS is Jay. him and Barry share a bond and by the end of season 1 the big villain kills Jay, and Barry has his helmet and adds the wings to commemorate him.

No to offing Jay!

 

[Paradox1]

Maybe JWS is Jay. him and Barry share a bond and by the end of season 1 the big villain kills Jay, and Barry has his helmet and adds the wings to commemorate him.

If that was part of his arc I'd be all for that

 

[Crimz]

No to offing Jay!

Id kill him off in his first encounter with Barry, there can only be one Flash at a time

 

[DCnightwing23]

The only major tweak I would make is the emblem. A little bigger and marble background that isn't too bright. That would be feasible. Didn't change the color other than add contrast and got rid of the blue overcast.

See the white emblem works much better. Overall i really like this suit. Yes, the belt isn't great, and it could be a little more form fitting. But it's a terrific start, red emblem and all.