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The Dark Knight Rises The BB3 Batsuit Discussion Thread

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Oh, FFS!!! :cmad:No, i dont like that. I want Batman to look like he's blatantly armoured, i want his suit to give away the fact that he's just a man, i want him to have pads, lines, and stupid gauntlets with 6 fins, and motocross gloves that go over the gauntlets and have huge velcros to keep them in place. I also want him to have the map of Gotham carved on his pants in case he gets lost.

But seriously this is awesome.

:lmao:
 
Multi-layer component armor; forearm, bicep, and shoulder modularity are analogous. Chest plate. Helmet with chin strap. Black. An incongruously small chest symbol.

So what? I could say the proper Batman suit is grey spandex, dark blue cape and cowl, bat symbol on the chest, and dark blue boots. But that's an umbrella heading for all types of Batman costumes. Even Adam West's one can be described as that. Just like your description there is an umbrella heading for all different types of armored looks.

The TDK suit looks nothing like a SWAT suit, or Iron Man, or any of the other silly analogies some people in here have given it, IMO. I sincerely hope Nolan keeps it for Batman 3.
 
No, in fact Ironman has less pads and lines on him that the TDK suit. Seriously. Just put two pictures next to each other and compare.
 
No, in fact Ironman has less pads and lines on him that the TDK suit. Seriously. Just put two pictures next to each other and compare.

If you insist:

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Still don't see what you're seeing. In fact, looking at them together it just convinces me even more how ridiculous the analogy is. In fact Iron Man's chest design is more akin to the Returns one, IMO:

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Actually I just found this great article, which sums up why I, and a few others, think the TDK suit works, and is an evolution of the Begins suit:


The silhouette of Batman is an indelible image, instantly recognizable to even the most casual observer. Chris Nolan and costume designer Lindy Hemming knew it was important to preserve that image in redesigning and updating the Batsuit for "The Dark Knight."

Focusing on increased comfort and better flexibility, Hemming and her team did extensive research into the protective suits worn by motocross riders, as well as military issue protective armor. "We wanted the new Batsuit to be a more supple, more maneuverable, more breathable piece of equipment, like a modern suit of armor instead of a rubber suit," Hemming says, referring to the neoprene material used in making the Batsuit for "Batman Begins."

The new Batsuit is comprised of 110 separate pieces. The base layer of the suit was made of a polyester mesh material, which is employed by the military and high-tech sports manufacturers because of its moisture-wicking properties. Then individually molded pieces of flexible urethane were attached to the mesh to form the overall armor plating. For added protection, carbon fiber panels, which are light yet incredibly strong and resistant, were placed inside a select group of the urethane pieces around the legs, chest and abdomen.

To illustrate the evolution of the Batsuit from "Batman Begins" to "The Dark Knight," costume FX supervisor Graham Churchyard points out, "There were essentially three main components to the Batsuit in 'Batman Begins' and on this film there were more than 100, so it was a very complicated suit. Add to that, all of those individual pieces had to be modeled and then molded and cast. Each piece also had to be replicated dozens of times for the multiple Batsuits needed for the overall production. It was an extraordinary amount of work."

At the behest of both Nolan and Bale, Hemming's main mission was to modify the Batsuit to allow more rotation of the head and neck. "In the past, Batman has always had to move his shoulders to turn his head, so that was a definite priority," Bale affirms. The seemingly simple answer was to separate the cowl from the rest of the suit, but it had to appear seamless so as not to compromise The Dark Knight's imposing silhouette.

The overall redesign suited Christian Bale perfectly. "It was much more comfortable and far less claustrophobic than the first suit. It was also more agile and gave me better range of motion, which helped with the action and fight sequences. But it still gave me that feeling of invincibility," he acknowledges. "You can't help but feel protected and more powerful when you put the Batsuit on. It just works."

When it came to fighting and protection, the new and improved Batsuit did more than offer added flexibility. It is also outfitted with a variety of gadgets to aid Batman in his war on crime, including razor sharp fins that can be extended and then fired from the gauntlets on his forearms; and sonar-imaging lenses which flip down within Batman's cowl, enabling him to see sonar images in 3D while masking his eyes behind glowing white shields.

The only design element of the Batsuit that remained unchanged from "Batman Begins" to "The Dark Knight" was the cape. Hemming says, "We spent a lot of time getting the cape right for the first film, and we didn't want to change it." The cape does have one added feature: it can fold itself into a kind of backpack and then unfurl on command, which was accomplished through digital effects.

Link: http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_14928.html

Props to BatScot for being dead on right about them using the motocross design as part of the new suit design.
 
a while back (before AA) I posted this on another forum, and I think it still rings true:


I think Nolan has shown a good understanding of how someone like Bruce would acquire his suit. Experimental stuff for the army makes a lot of sense. this being said, there are fabrics now that stop bullets. So the Nolan suits can't be justified solely by the ¨realism¨ argument. The Dead End (or now Arkham Asilum) suit has become doable, or at the very least conceivable. So, what's left? The pragmatic aspect that is protection has been covered. Well, aesthetics. Make the suit almost as if it were a character, that tells a part of the story.

In BB, Batman is seen as an angry beast, grabbing its prays while cloaked in the shadows. The suit emphasized that: bulkier, all black.

In TDK, technology took the lead, but also the nod to biker uniforms, as well as knight armors (with the big shoulders and the mesh undersuit, for instance). The suit made sense in that movie (but it has its visual flaws none the less).

That's why a new suit is possible if not probable in the next flick, and again that new suit will say something about the story. I'm not against a ¨fabric suit¨ per say, but there has to be a reason for it, it has to fit in the story.

Here's an idea: the next movie happens in the winter (which I would love), Alfred insists Bruce wears something warmer when its 15 below outside. He offers a tight suit using an electric current to keep you warm, worn over the armor, tight enough so we can see the silhouette of the armor. That would make sense, and people against fabric suits could say ¨Well, that's fine, its just a temperature adjustment, not really a new suit.¨
 
I say everything in the art department follows the theme and tone of the movie. TDK was an urban film and the suit depicts that. BB was more about fear and tonally it was more, well... comic-bookie.

I'm sure that B3 will be of different tone and theme, and the suit will flesh that out as well.
 
to me this is the **** (was made by Bane):
Quite right... it's not like the TDK concept is invalid in and of itself, it's just that the execution of that concept was over done.
 
Say what you will but the TDK suit IS no less a fully rubber suit than every other rubber suit that came before it... and an unnecessarily busy rubber suit at that.
I didn't say it wasn't a fully rubber suit. I said that it's taking steps to move away from a fully rubber suit, which it is.
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Well there certainly appears to be at least a passing resemblance here; quite obvious really.
Yeah, you're totally right. The helmet completely resembles Batman's cowl, and the body armor and bulk of the suit resemble the TDK suit as well! :whatever: The BB suit has these elements that you're talking about too, with the exception being that the helmet doesn't resemble the ****** BB cowl.
Anyway, for all intents and purposes the TDK suit concept is largely 'borrowed' from motocross armor:
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I know this, but the elements of the BB design are still present.
Oh, FFS!!! :cmad:No, i dont like that. I want Batman to look like he's blatantly armoured
So a guy running around in the BB suit with high tec looking abs and lines all over the suit doesn't?
i want his suit to give away the fact that he's just a man, i want him to have pads, lines, and stupid gauntlets with 6 fins, and motocross gloves that go over the gauntlets and have huge velcros to keep them in place. I also want him to have the map of Gotham carved on his pants in case he gets lost.
Yeah, because those straps on his gloves completely exposed his skin or were even noticeable in the move. It didn't and they weren't. The gauntlet idea was stupid in BB, and it's stupid in TDK. At least it didn't look like Batman wanted to wash dishes with the TDK suit, and looked like you could get hurt by being punched. The map design started in BB.

I'd rather they hire the team that worked on Nite Owl's costume in "Watchmen."
 
The map design started in BB.
I think Mr. Earle was talking more about the pants on TDK suit, which wasn't really broken up, and looking like a road map in BB.

And it's funny Earle mentions that, cause I remember saying something very similar about how the pants looked like a road map, and someone replied to me with a manip of TDK suit that literally looked like a road map. It had signs, and highway markers on it. It was HILARIOUS. I would try to find it in this thread, but I know it's BURIED now.:csad:
 
I think Mr. Earle was talking more about the pants on TDK suit, which wasn't really broken up, and looking like a road map in BB.
I know he was talking about the pants on the TDK suit, but if you look at the pants for the BB suit, the lines and design is where it started. Like I said, they went overboard with breaking it up too much.
 
That's because the TDK suit more closely resembles Raimi's Green Goblin outfit than IronMan. But I digreess... hyperbole or not the TDK remains a step in the wrong direction. Of course what I've never understood is people who post on fanboy forums complaining about fanboy criticism.
Calling this a fanboy forum is an insult to this site. Just because there are fanboys who post here doesn't mean they solely define it.

That manip by Bane is I think the best basis to go with for the next suit. It needs to be a combination of the best elements of both suits, namely the mobility and function of the TDK suit with (some of) the bulk of the Begins suit. I also think the cape should be used more often as a shroud, which the TDK suit could actually do.
 
In the sense that those elements I described are as readily observable in the SWAT armor as they are in the TDK suit.

I could say the proper Batman suit is grey spandex, dark blue cape and cowl, bat symbol on the chest, and dark blue boots. But that's an umbrella heading for all types of Batman costumes. Even Adam West's one can be described as that.
You could say that, but it wouldn’t be particularly germane to the question (and the reference itself is essentially the argument that as long as the costume’s “silhouette” gives the iconic appearance of Batman then that’s all that’s needed... but as you allude to, the theory falls flat when one considers that even the West costume fits those parameters. Anyway, we all know the proper Batman suit is gray and black.

Just like your description there is an umbrella heading for all different types of armored looks.
The items I described are evident in some types armored looks, but not all. And I did not say that the TDK suit is simply SWAT armor with a cape attached. What I did do was to reference specific similarities in the SWAT armor with their counterpart(s) in the TDK design.

The TDK suit looks nothing like a SWAT suit, or Iron Man, or any of the other silly analogies some people in here have given it, IMO.
Meh, the similarities are there for anyone who chooses to acknowledge them. But lest we get lost in the details, the fundamental argument is not SWAT/not-SWAT but rather organic vs. mechanical. So when one says the TDK suit resembles police armor or looks like IronMan they are simply saying that the design looks more mechanical than organic. There is nothing wrong with either approach per se, and both the Begins and TDK are fundamentally ‘mechanical’ in concept. But there is no point in arguing that the TDK suit “looks nothing like” the armor applications worn by police, riot squads, or the military. The similarity, in parts, is plainly evident. And that’s fine; that the TDK design borrows from these ideas is not the issue. It’s the execution of the design that’s the issue and the TDK suit is unnecessarily over done—if ever there was a case of less is more, the TDK suit is it.

Actually I just found this great article, which sums up why I, and a few others, think the TDK suit works, and is an evolution of the Begins suit:

Link: http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_14928.html

Props to BatScot for being dead on right about them using the motocross design as part of the new suit design.
The article referenced here is a conglomeration of interviews first printed in the book ‘The Dark Knight: Featuring Production Art and Full Shooting Script” Universe 2008. The article presents nothing new and Hemming’s apologetic does not prove the success of the design—they are simply the comments you would have expected her to make at the time. The TDK suit is not an evolution of the Begin’s concept in the sense that the TDK suit is somehow more advanced in comparison. Quite the contrary, the TDK suit is a deconstruction. And in the original text Hemming uses the term ‘evolutionary’ in the context of the materials used to create the movie costume more so than the look of the fictional ‘batsuit’. Or as the article paraphrases:

"We wanted the new Batsuit to be a more supple, more maneuverable, more breathable piece of equipment, like a modern suit of armor instead of a rubber suit," Hemming says, referring to the neoprene material used in making the Batsuit for "Batman Begins."

But what is a modern suit of armor if not those worn by the police, for example. So ultimately this article supports—as does Hemming’s original comments—the argument that the TDK suit was meant to illicit comparison to SWAT, military, and motocross designs.
 
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Calling this a fanboy forum is an insult to this site. Just because there are fanboys who post here doesn't mean they solely define it.
No, the insult is inferring that the opinions of fanboys are somehow less relevant than those of the Noble laureates who apparently have the free time to post on comic book forums :whatever:
 
Yeah, you're totally right.
Yes, I know.

The helmet completely resembles Batman's cowl, and the body armor and bulk of the suit resemble the TDK suit as well!
How you managed to quote me, then completely misquote me in the same post is beyond me... what I actually said was: there is a "a passing resemblance".
 
i want his suit to give away the fact that he's just a man

To the TDK fanboy that you're impersonating Mr. Earle.

In the words of his trainer Henri Ducard "if you can be more than just a man, if you commit yourself to an ideal. you can become a legend, Mr. Wayne" "you must be invisible in the eyes of your opponents"

Whatever happened to that badass Batman???

TDK just gave us a EMO-Batman that wanted to give up his mantle to be with ordinary damsel-in-distress Rachel Dawes. :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

And now users say not another love interest because Rachel died, they act as if she was his soul-mate when she was not. Rachel didn't love him for what he really was (his Batman persona not his Bruce persona) and never supported his Batman persona. She was ready to marry Harvey in TDK and she was done with Bruce after knowing his secret identity in Batman Begins.
 
I don't think Batman should ever appear as 'just a man'. He should be a creature. TDK really humanized him with the costume. :down
 
I don't think Batman should ever appear as 'just a man'. He should be a creature. TDK really humanized him with the costume. :down

I couldn't f***ing agree more, Batman Begins kept him that way.

BTAS had him as a creature of the night in every bloody episode.
 
Some will always regard him as a creature, no matter how technological hs suit may become. But the majority will (and should) regard him just as Commissioner Loeb in BB did: As "an a**hole in a costume".
 
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