The Amazing Spider-Man The Box Office Thread

[The Joker]

Are they really all that different?

Yes, radically different. One is a Batman costume, the other is a Power Rangers reject costume.

 

[Ajendo]

********, Star Trek will be huge competition for Spidey in the Domestic market, it will very likely beat Spidey badly domestic.

Gearing up for your Vegas act I see. I recommend saving it for your finale.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I liked all 3, but I see the potential that was missed (in all 3, moreso in SM3), and VERY simplistic approach to the directing, the storylines, the characters and the writing in all 3.

I really disagree, but to each his own. It's my favorite superhero trilogy ever.

 

[moe]

Forgive me for not bothering to respond to the rest of your post because I'm going to make the dangerous assumption and presume it's as hokey as the quote above.

So let me get this straight, All Goblin wanted was corporate power? So after killing all the relics on his board and basically blowing **** up, causing all types of mayhem, throwing ginger head girls and a bunch of snot nosed brats off a bridge, this was all done just because spidey wouldn't dress up in Armani suits and play tag-team partners, walking into manhattan board rooms and making declarations of what I think is fair to assume to be hostile takeovers?? I think you may have missed the entire scene where Robogoblin quite casually makes a generous proposal to spidey but maybe that's because he didn't have an all too obvious portfolio or do a power point presentation of what his expectations were.

If it was just corporate power he wanted, he could have done it all under the radar and simply ignore spidey and let him do his hero thing. Clearly, it was more, a whole lot more than wanting corporate power.

then you are making assumptions that have no merit based on the screenplay of spider-man 1... the goblin was the part of norman that would do anything to see his vision come to pass... he never proclaimed to be anything more than that. he wasn't out to uproot the social order or hold a mirror to the people of New york... he was simply unstable and trying to ensure he retained all his corperate power... the whole teaming up thing was ******ed anyways.

 

[moe]

Yes, radically different. One is a Batman costume, the other is a Power Rangers reject costume.

batman's costume has the darkness working for him... it looks fine at night... goblin during daylight wasn't scary or eye candy... and the helmet was far too big and plastic. a little darker shade of green would have been better.

 

[spider-neil]

********, Star Trek will be huge competition for Spidey in the Domestic market, it will very likely beat Spidey badly domestic.

based on what? spidey grossed more than ST at the box office and on dvd/blu ray, so what is this sweeping claim based on?

 

[moe]

based on what? spidey grossed more at the box office and on dvd/blu ray, so what is this sweeping claim based on?

out of their ass numbers... spider-man is def going to beat star-trek. by alot.

 

[NinjaCarm]

^

lol

 

[TheSlag]

the goblin wasn't out there to evoke chaos or undermine the social structure of new york... he simply wanted spidy outta the way so he could gain more corperate power... now his action of covering up norman as green goblin was simply to spare harry's feelings... nothing more... it wasn't to protect the citizen's of new york or not allow norman's final plan to become fully realized... simply to protect his friends feelings... noble yes, but nothing that made you feel that all of his hard work was lost and that he was now considered a public threat and enemy.

spiderman is an in your face superhero... he swings around in day light and is a rock-star... batman is more of a reclusive hero... where any bad publicity (in this case, very very bad) has far greater impact than spiderman's... since people see spiderman fighting bad guys and they can see his actions are good... that is why the scene where bale's batman shows up at the party to stop the joker annyoed me... i know why he had to do it but it was still much more exposing of batman than i would have liked...

Again, you're going into villains' motivation now, which had nothing to do with whether the "hero" failed or not. And I could argue that Spider-Man was intending to protect the citizens of NYC.. "What is that thing.. I don't know.. but someone's got to stop him".

But again, from the sense that the public thought Spider-Man murdered Norman Osborn, both "heroes" failed. Sort of like Goblin's speech to Spidey on the rooftop actually.

Now granted, the followup or exploitation of that storyline in SM2 was non existent other than from Harry's perspective, but that does not mean the hero did succeed.

 

[spider-neil]

you could argue that no one could have guess that TDK was going to blow up after modest box office returns of BB (no idea about dvd blu ray) but I suspect a lot of that (TDK's exponential rise over BB) had to do with with TDK itself rather than people loving BB and then coming out in their droves to see TDK.

TDK
* ledger performance
* iconic villian - joker, argubly the most famous comic villian on the planet
* ledger's death - it's morbid but c'mon it was definately a factor
* fantasic movie
= massive bo office

so to emulate that explosive rise from it's opening movie, star trek 2 maybe would have to have the same sort of impact to vastly out gross ST

* iconic villian - khan?
if you could have someone to out do ricardo montalban and give a oscar worthy performance then you may stand a chance. is khan known world wide? WoK was over 20 years ago.

it's worth nothing that there was a setup episode in the orginal star trek series which establishes khan so there is no need to do so in the wrath of khan and that is why the pacing of that movie is so good.

* fantastic movie
well ST was pretty good (if a tad overrated) could it be as good as tWoK? hmmm I doubt it.

TDK aside can someone give me an example of a movie that did BB numbers (400m WW) and then in a sequel did TDK numbers (1B WW)?
worth nothing that for TDKR to be the most successful superhero trilogy of all time (spider-man) it will have to do 1B, AGAIN.

 

[TheSlag]

not to mention one singular theme in all three movies... peter trying to balance spidey and wanting to be with mj... they could have explored multiple themes and ideas.

Definitely agree. The whole concept of ALL about ONE girl was rampant and overpowering to better storylines throughout Raimi's Spider-Man.

 

[TheSlag]

I don't like it because it is a busy (too much stuff going on) MESS.

my makes me laugh that batman's costume can deviate so drastically from the source material and get a pass but slight alterations to the spidey outfit is frowned upon. meh, not a big deal as long as the movie is good.

Too Busy?!?!?!? Really?!?!?!? In what way, I see the body armor and possibly too busy with the arm things (looks like it is more offensive that simply body armor).. but too busy?!??? *eh, you know what, this is Spidey.. so *nevermind*

 

[TheSlag]

I really disagree, but to each his own. It's my favorite superhero trilogy ever.

Shocking.. that you disagree. SHOCKING I SAY!!! t:

But, tell we where it lived up to it's potential (IYO.. In Your Opinion). And I will grant you Action, that it lived up to some of it's potential there, although I know (and rightfully so to some degree) that some could argue that Spider-Man did not move fast enough, or in some scenes non Enhanced humans (Ock) could stand and trade blows with Spidey...

But all in all, I would say the action somewhat lived up to the potential.

So, give me your top 3-5 areas where it lived up to its potential and where it warrants being your "favorite" superhero trilogy. Now know this, it is my favorite one, as I love all things Spider-Man, but I acknowledge and know it's limitations.

 

[spider-neil]

Too Busy?!?!?!? Really?!?!?!? In what way, I see the body armor and possibly too busy with the arm things (looks like it is more offensive that simply body armor).. but too busy?!??? *eh, you know what, this is Spidey.. so *nevermind*

look at batman's costume from the comics.
gray top, black bat logo
gray pants
black briefs outside the pants *ha ha*
black boots
black cape

simple

the torso of the new batman suit is a mish mash of designs, you can bearly see the bat logo, the armour segmented and messy.
it's practical but it doesn't look very good.

 

[TheSlag]

look at batman's costume from the comics.
gray top, black bat logo
gray pants
black briefs outside the pants *ha ha*
black boots
black cape

simple

the torso of the new batman suit is a mish mash of designs, you can bearly see the bat logo, the armour segmented and messy.
it's practical but it doesn't look very good.

Yes, very different where the one from the comics sounds simple, where the movie one is MUCH more realistic, and one I would MUCH MORE prefer.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Shocking.. that you disagree. SHOCKING I SAY!!! t:

But, tell we where it lived up to it's potential (IYO.. In Your Opinion). And I will grant you Action, that it lived up to some of it's potential there, although I know (and rightfully so to some degree) that some could argue that Spider-Man did not move fast enough, or in some scenes non Enhanced humans (Ock) could stand and trade blows with Spidey...

But all in all, I would say the action somewhat lived up to the potential.

So, give me your top 3-5 areas where it lived up to its potential and where it warrants being your "favorite" superhero trilogy. Now know this, it is my favorite one, as I love all things Spider-Man, but I acknowledge and know it's limitations.

all 3 final battles, Peter Parker having the weight of the world on his shoulders in S-M2 like in the early days of the comics. the story for all 3 films. The train fight. The origin in the first film.

The list can go on and on.

 

[TheSlag]

all 3 final battles, Peter Parker having the weight of the world on his shoulders in S-M2 like in the early days of the comics. the story for all 3 films. The train fight. The origin in the first film.

The list can go on and on.

LOL. Thanks for choosing "one" aspect, and thanks for choosing the "one" we had already agreed on. Action.

Yes, the list can go on.. and on.. and on... kinda like the ALL about ONE girl storyline went on.. and on..and on.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

LOL. Thanks for choosing "one" aspect, and thanks for choosing the "one" we had already agreed on. Action.

Yes, the list can go on.. and on.. and on... kinda like the ALL about ONE girl storyline went on.. and on..and on.

I find it funny how you're trying to call anybody who loves Raimi's films out. That's what you were trying to do, anyway. Not surprising, since you are all the same.

Anybody notice how the people who aren't 100% with Raimi's films have no avatars, LOL?

Anyway, let's get back to the reboot.

 

[TheSlag]

I find it funny how you're trying to call anybody who loves Raimi's films out. That's what you were trying to do, anyway. Not surprising, since you are all the same.

Anybody notice how the people who aren't 100% with Raimi's films have no avatars, LOL?

Anyway, let's get back to the reboot.

Yes. The no Avatar is a conspiracy of OURS.

And YES, we are ALL THE SAME. "Assimilate.. Resistance is FUTILE!!!" t:

So I guess you think the origin lived UP to it's potential even though 1) it was inspired by the ALL about ONE girl, and 2) Spidey did NOT save the burglar ... errr.. car jacker and instead let him die?

*got you down*

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yes. The no Avatar is a conspiracy of OURS.

And YES, we are ALL THE SAME. "Assimilate.. Resistance is FUTILE!!!" t:

So I guess you think the origin lived UP to it's potential even though 1) it was inspired by the ALL about ONE girl, and 2) Spidey did NOT save the burglar ... errr.. car jacker and instead let him die?

*got you down*

Oh, please. You didn't get me down. The bottom line is this. It's an interpretation of a character, kind of like how Ultimate Spider-Man was an interpretation of the character or Spider-Man Noire. Does that mean you have to like it? No.

Obviously, the comics weren's just about the girl, and the burglar got arrested in the comics, but as I said, it's an interpretation and that's why I didn't mind it.

 

[Ajendo]

then you are making assumptions that have no merit based on the screenplay of spider-man 1... the goblin was the part of norman that would do anything to see his vision come to pass... he never proclaimed to be anything more than that. he wasn't out to uproot the social order or hold a mirror to the people of New york... he was simply unstable and trying to ensure he retained all his corperate power... the whole teaming up thing was ******ed anyways.

Goblin didn't need to proclaim anything. This is exactly why we get childish and remedial storylines with half assed execution because people like you need things spelled out to you. Good movies dont need to spoon feed everything to the audience, especially when its pretty damn obvious. Once Norman killed off the competition and his board members, what did you expect him to do, walk off holding Harry and Bernerd's hands into the sunset??? The guy was a maniac, just because he didn't monologue some deep, grand master plan for "upsetting the establishment" doesn't mean he wasn't going to engage in such extra curricular activities. I know Raimi dumbed things down in his movies but in this instance he gave audiences the benefit of the doubt and now you're proving he may have overestimated the audience's cognitive capacity to understand what was supposed to be pretty obvious.

 

[TheSlag]

Oh, please. You didn't get me down. The bottom line is this. It's an interpretation of a character, kind of like how Ultimate Spider-Man was an interpretation of the character or Spider-Man Noire. Does that mean you have to like it? No.

Obviously, the comics weren's just about the girl, and the burglar got arrested in the comics, but as I said, it's an interpretation and that's why I didn't mind it.

So "any" interpretation is "fine" by you. *again.. Got you down*

 

[NinjaCarm]

Goblin didn't need to proclaim anything. This is exactly why we get childish and remedial storylines with half assed execution because people like you need things spelled out to you. Good movies dont need to spoon feed everything to the audience, especially when its pretty damn obvious. Once Norman killed off the competition and his board members, what did you expect him to do, walk off holding Harry and Bernerd's hands into the sunset??? The guy was a maniac, just because he didn't monologue some deep, grand master plan for "upsetting the establishment" doesn't mean he wasn't going to engage in such extra curricular activities. I know Raimi dumbed things down in his movies but in this instance he gave audiences the benefit of the doubt and now you're proving he may have overestimated the audience's cognitive capacity to understand what was supposed to be pretty obvious.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

So "any" interpretation is "fine" by you. *again.. Got you down*

You're just trying to get me overly annoyed, lol. Like i said, you're all the same. Though, atleast some of the others could actually have a conversation with me about the reboot. Grow up.

Also, no, not any interpretation is fine by me. I don't like USM.

 

[TheSlag]

You're just trying to get me overly annoyed, lol. Like i said, you're all the same. Though, atleast some of the others could actually have a conversation with me about the reboot. Grow up.

Also, no, not any interpretation is fine by me. I don't like USM.

No, I am actually not. I am trying to give you a chance to defend your position, since you often (ah hell.. ALWAYS ) fall on the I Love Raimi, and I Love Raimi's Spider-Man side, with little to nothing to back it up, other that I like Raimi's take on it.

I wanted to see what (IYO) lived up to the potential in Raimi's Spider-Man. You have pointed out the train fight, which falls under the Action sequences which we both have already agreed on. You also pointed out the Origin, which implies you like the fact that the origin 1) revolved around the All about One Girl storyline 2) Liked that fact that Peter was unmasked in front of the Promoter 3) Did NOT save the Car thief (which it turns out in Raimi's Retcon DID NOT Kill Uncle Ben) ... so you're OK with Spider-Man basically being a murderer.

Oh, and you said you like the storylines. Pretty vague. Care to elaborate?

I would say *gotcha down again as for your stance* but it's getting old.