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Predict the Box Office result.

  • Over $1 billion

  • $900 million - $1 billion

  • $800 mil - $900 mil

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  • $200 mil - $300 mil

  • Below $200 million

  • Over $1 billion

  • $900 million - $1 billion

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  • $600 mil - $700 mil

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  • $400 mil - $500 mil

  • $300 mil - $400 mil

  • $200 mil - $300 mil

  • Below $200 million

  • Over $1 billion

  • $900 million - $1 billion

  • $800 mil - $900 mil

  • $700 mil - $800 mil

  • $600 mil - $700 mil

  • $500 mil - $600 mil

  • $400 mil - $500 mil

  • $300 mil - $400 mil

  • $200 mil - $300 mil

  • Below $200 million


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Those numbers feel about right. Kind if curious how Apes plays. The first two were hits but didn't really break out. This one seems to be the best if early reviews are to be believed. If Spidey could win next weekend that would be very impressive.

Yeah I am really looking forward to Apes my self hope it can do 300 million USA.

BTW has any one heard from Daltonio? I was wondering if he has seen this movie. He was like the one person that liked amazing Spider-Man 2 a lot besides my self.
 
Korea really loves the MCU, they always come through in big numbers. China and Japan are gonna decide whether or not this hits a billion, gonna be fun to watch.
 
Slow your roll on the billion talk, Sony really ruined the luster of Spidey the last decade. This is step one (albeit a marvelous step) to getting the character back where he belongs at the box office.
 
About China just checked what the different MCU movies have done in china and this is what I found out.

Avengers 83.6 million
Avengers AOU 224.110
Iron man 3 121.2
Cap civil war 180.794517
GOTG 2 100.663260
GOTG 86.346366
Iron man 15.274332
Iron man 2 7.919827
Cap winter solider 115.62
Doctor strange 109.194913
Thor the dark world 55.34
Thor didn't have a china release it looks like
Ant man 105.370038
Cap first adventer didn't get a china release
The incredible hulk 8.929638

If you average it the average amount that these movies have made is 93.41253008 but of course china has changed a lot over the years compared to the earlier MCU movies. Out of the 13 movies that came out in china 7 made 100 million or more and 1 made 200 or more. I think it is safe to say that Spider-Man should be able to make like 100 million maybe more.
 
The Dark Knight movies say hello.
Dominated implies not all. And the extra dollars I was talking about are the amount required to get to $1.5B not $1B. Read the post I was replying to.
 
Dominated implies not all. And the extra dollars I was talking about are the amount required to get to $1.5B not $1B. Read the post I was replying to.

Yeah but like I said dark knight and rises did it with out 3d. With 3d it would have been like 1.3-1.4 billion. So really you only need a extra 100-200 million not 500 and like I said a billion is not what it used to be. There have 30 movies to make a billion or more 30. For a long time it was like just a few.
 
If the international market was as dominant during the Raimi days as it is now probably all 3 Raimi Spider-Man films would have grossed past a billion.
 
I don't think movies have to be event film status to get to a billion any more. A billion is not what it used to be with inflation with 3d, inflation, bigger internation market etc. Like I said dark knight and rises both made a billion with out 3d with out 3d and Spider-Man is even more popular. There is no reason that a good/great Spider-Man movie shouldn't be able to do crazy big numbers. This movie is most likely going to do like what 800 million maybe a billion and that is after 3 so so bad Spider-Man movies and also a 2nd reboot that has turned a lot of people away and this is going to get people back for the next one with how good this movie turned out.
I agree, but you said it would be a lock to get $1.5B (if the next film was good/great).
 
Good opening for Spidey, $800 definitely seems in reach. As for a billion? I've said it before, I don't think any comic book movie is reaching that mark this year. I think we've already got all the billion dollar grossers we're going to get. Outside of the obvious one in December.
 
Yeah I've felt from the jump that no superhero film would hit a billion this year.
 
Yeah but like I said dark knight and rises did it with out 3d. With 3d it would have been like 1.3-1.4 billion. So really you only need a extra 100-200 million not 500 and like I said a billion is not what it used to be. There have 30 movies to make a billion or more 30. For a long time it was like just a few.
3D doesn't just add on the price of the ticket multiplied by the total number of people viewing the film. It was a much bigger deal in the few years after Avatar. A fair percentage of people are put off when only 3D tickets are available now and I know many people (actually pretty much anyone I've been to the cinema with in the last 3 years) who don't watch 3D at all any more. And exchange rates have to be in your favour too. The biggest franchise event films which are going strong have a natural landing point well into the billion dollars nowadays while the solo films need to have something special just to scrape it. HC2 might well do that but $1.5B is another story and we are getting solo CBM films every year with 3D and well reviewed and popular that are doing well to get just over halfway.
 
If the international market was as dominant during the Raimi days as it is now probably all 3 Raimi Spider-Man films would have grossed past a billion.

That is my point and it dosnt even count 3d and over all ticket prices being higher now days. Spider-Man 3 made about 890 million WW and even with how well it did OS get this it only made about 19 million in china. Even with out higher ticket prices and 3d if it had just had a bigger china and not even including another countries it would be more like 950 billion if china had just done 79 million and for china now days that is not that much.

3D doesn't just add on the price of the ticket multiplied by the total number of people viewing the film. It was a much bigger deal in the few years after Avatar. A fair percentage of people are put off when only 3D tickets are available now and I know many people (actually pretty much anyone I've been to the cinema with in the last 3 years) who don't watch 3D at all any more. And exchange rates have to be in your favour too. The biggest franchise event films which are going strong have a natural landing point well into the billion dollars nowadays while the solo films need to have something special just to scrape it. HC2 might well do that but $1.5B is another story and we are getting solo CBM films every year with 3D and well reviewed and popular that are doing well to get just over halfway.

I understand that not ever one is into 3d and that it was bigger with like Avatar and such but I remember hearing that iron man 3 a movie that made around 1.2 billion would have been around 900 million with out the extra price that 3d tickets gave its boxoffice. Yes a billion is not easy but you going to see more and more movies doing a billion then what? Are people going to say that something still has to be special?
 
I understand that not ever one is into 3d and that it was bigger with like Avatar and such but I remember hearing that iron man 3 a movie that made around 1.2 billion would have been around 900 million with out the extra price that 3d tickets gave its boxoffice. Yes a billion is not easy but you going to see more and more movies doing a billion then what? Are people going to say that something still has to be special?
Yeah the appeal of 3D is not what it was. And I agree (and have agreed this point quite a few times now) that $1B might not be easy but we are going to see more and more movies doing a billion (even a good number of solo films). But it's the $1.5B that is another ball game. Again possible, but needs the stars to align like they did for TDK, rather than just making a good solo film. Maybe IW will give HC2 a huge boost like Avengers did for IM3. It's going to take something well out of the ordinary like that rather than just a good HC sequel.
 
Yeah the appeal of 3D is not what it was. And I agree (and have agreed this point quite a few times now) that $1B might not be easy but we are going to see more and more movies doing a billion (even a good number of solo films). But it's the $1.5B that is another ball game. Again possible, but needs the stars to align like they did for TDK, rather than just making a good solo film. Maybe IW will give HC2 a huge boost like Avengers did for IM3. It's going to take something well out of the ordinary like that rather than just a good HC sequel.

While I think the combo of this movie getting people confident in Spider-Man again and IW will create a lot more hype for HC 2. Also check this out if you look at Spider-Man 2 the Spider-Man movie that made the least amount of money WW out of the first 3 it made 783,766,341 WW and only about 6 million from china yes 6 million. So if you add in china of like today you are most likely looking at around a extra 100 million. Then looking at just its USA inflation Spider-Man 2 is a extra 158217475. If you add just like china and its USA inflation to the movie you are already at 1.041983816 billion. So with just a bigger China and not even including a bigger OS ever were else over all and 3d tickets and also factoring how much the OS numbers would be in todays money you are already at a billion.
 
While I think the combo of this movie getting people confident in Spider-Man again and IW will create a lot more hype for HC 2. Also check this out if you look at Spider-Man 2 the Spider-Man movie that made the least amount of money WW out of the first 3 it made 783,766,341 WW and only about 6 million from china yes 6 million. So if you add in china of like today you are most likely looking at around a extra 100 million. Then looking at just its USA inflation Spider-Man 2 is a extra 158217475. If you add just like china and its USA inflation to the movie you are already at 1.041983816 billion. So with just a bigger China and not even including a bigger OS ever were else over all and 3d tickets and also factoring how much the OS numbers would be in todays money you are already at a billion.
Yes but why do you keep talking about a billion? The only issue was the comment about $1.5B being a lock. I've agreed with everything else in the last 87 posts on $1B being possible lol. Do you use the word 'lock' differently to everyone else? :woot:
 
Yes but why do you keep talking about a billion? The only issue was the comment about $1.5B being a lock. I've agreed with everything else in the last 87 posts on $1B being possible lol. Do you use the word 'lock' differently to everyone else? :woot:

lol know my point is like if you look at a movie like Spider-Man 2 made 780 with all those things compared to today then 1.5 billion is really not that far feached at all. Infact looking at that movie again has a example it made about a extra 38% if you factor in inflation on its USA numbers. If you do that for its WW number you are already at 1.0764 million plus around a extra 100 million from china. Now you are already at 1.10764 then factor in say a small number like 200 million extra from 3d and now you are already up to 1.30764 million and that is on like the conservative side. Now that dosnt even included the over all increase of OS market in those what will be 15 years when HC 2 comes out. So with 15 years of a bigger internation market growth really is 200 million extra really that far feached? Heck if you do the same kind of math but with like Spider-Man 3 instead it is like a 1.45964 movie already with out factoring in a bigger internation market.
 
SM:H will be in megabucks territory as well. Dom weekend was a bit front-loaded but the WOM should be very good. Barring Iron-Man, all the other MCU origin movies has multiplier close to 2.7xOW (An-Man has 3.15xOW but I'm considering it the outlier). That'll bring the DOM gross to (117x2.7)=315.9 million. That will be a very good result.

SMH is the only movie left that could challenge Wonder Woman for the top spot at the summer box office. WW is on pace to surpass GOTG2 and Despicable Me 3 isn't in contention. Word of mouth and only Apes as real competition could see the film get close to GOTG2.
 
lol know my point is like if you look at a movie like Spider-Man 2 made 780 with all those things compared to today then 1.5 billion is really not that far feached at all. Infact looking at that movie again has a example it made about a extra 38% if you factor in inflation on its USA numbers. If you do that for its WW number you are already at 1.0764 million plus around a extra 100 million from china. Now you are already at 1.10764 then factor in say a small number like 200 million extra from 3d and now you are already up to 1.30764 million and that is on like the conservative side. Now that dosnt even included the over all increase of OS market in those what will be 15 years when HC 2 comes out. So with 15 years of a bigger internation market growth really is 200 million extra really that far feached? Heck if you do the same kind of math but with like Spider-Man 3 instead it is like a 1.45964 movie already with out factoring in a bigger internation market.
It is possible if every major market and most other markets all do amazingly, it gets a huge IW boost, exchange rates are very favourable, it gets another 90%+ rating and everything else goes right for it, and even with all those factors it'd be likely to fall short. When Avengers did it and when IM3 did 300m less and when TDK did 500m less, they all outperformed expectations in a big way so you need a reason that HC will outperform the already large expectations it will have. Avengers was the first mainstream CBM team up film and delivered on a very risky proposition, IM3 saw a once-in-CBM history boost from being directly after Avengers (and HC will definitely need this from IW) and TDK was Nolan's masterpiece and to many people the best CBM of all time (as well as Heath Ledger's untimely death having some influence).

Hardly any films are a lock to do $1.5B, even the biggest long running franchise ensemble event-movie films don't usually do a whole lot more. It's not that your numbers are wrong, it's just that everything needs to go right for a solo film to breakout that much and even very successful films can have a few things not go quite to plan (for eg WW in certain markets surprisingly not doing that well despite doing amazingly overall).

Look at BvS. That also had every chance of doing mega money with DC's 2 biggest heroes meeting for the first time onscreen with an extended cameo from WW, but so many things went wrong. And finally don't forget Spidey was by far the dominant superhero of the time on film during SM1-3 and CBM films were not that far into their resurgence. Now there is a whole different level of competition and loads of succesful heroes making Spidey films a bit less special than they were back then. I think it has a decent chance at going over the $1B mark and of course want it to do as well as possible.

Anyway I like your optimism/enthusiasm and hope you get what you expect mate. :yay::up:
 
This film if it doesn't make $Billion will get damn close. The floor is $900million. It's going to make huge numbers in China and Japan and no way this makes less than GoTg vol.2. It's already off to an incredible start and most kids around the world break for the summer next week.
 
This film if it doesn't make $Billion will get damn close. The floor is $900million. It's going to make huge numbers in China and Japan and no way this makes less than GoTg vol.2. It's already off to an incredible start and most kids around the world break for the summer next week.

I think the key will be what does it do on its second weekend with apes coming out and what does its china numbers look like. If its china number are really good and it has a small decline next week with apes it may have a chance at a billion.
 
This film if it doesn't make $Billion will get damn close. The floor is $900million. It's going to make huge numbers in China and Japan and no way this makes less than GoTg vol.2. It's already off to an incredible start and most kids around the world break for the summer next week.
I think 700-800 million is probably the range. No point setting yourself up for disappointment. This film needs to rebuild trust with casuals first. The sequel is where you'll see a jump imo. This is a fantastic start, like Batman Begins was in '05.
 
I think 700-800 million is probably the range. No point setting yourself up for disappointment. This film needs to rebuild trust with casuals first.

I do think it needs to build some trust up but I think most places so far it is doing better in then amazing Spider-Man 2 did. Its at around 257 million WW after today OW and that is also with out china. I don't know its hard to really now at this point with out china, Japan and a few other places and with out knowing what kind of drop it is going to have its second weekend yet.
 
If there was no TASM1&2 I wonder how different the hype for HC would be now with the GA.
 
It's doing well, no doubt, I just think it's too early to assume anything.
 
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