Homecoming The Box Office Thread

[StormC]

Care to elaborate on that? I haven't been following Apes since I never saw the second one.

Fox sold it as an action movie when it's really more of an exodus-esque quest. Think Lawrence Of Arabia...but with apes.

 

[Coolkid]

SMH will be hard pressed to make 800m.

Yeah. I know it. But one can only hope. Seeing how well it's doing worldwide without Japan and China, there's a little chance for Homecoming to reach that Benchmark...

 

[ironwez20]

They had to put out a movie or they would have lost the rights.

Better than making a half assed reboot lol

 

[Surfer]

I just wanted to point out to people that while Spider-man Homecoming took a drop into 2nd place Domestically it continued to dominate Overseas, and is still holding the number one spot for a second weekend in a row World Wide. It is also encouraging to know it's World Wide Box office still has not gotten the benefit of China that will boost it's earnings probably in August. I would say Homecoming is doing very well, especially for a 3rd reboot.

Surfer

 

[gerrym51]

Better than making a half assed reboot lol

they could have made another andrew garfield movie. However in their defense-

Marvel produced this movie-Kevin Feige picked the actor. Marvel created the script.this is a Marvel film that Sony financed and gets the profits. Marvel gets a fee for making this movie.

What could Sony have done 'better'.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I just wanted to point out to people that while Spider-man Homecoming took a drop into 2nd place Domestically it continued to dominate Overseas, and is still holding the number one spot for a second weekend in a row World Wide. It is also encouraging to know it's World Wide Box office still has not gotten the benefit of China that will boost it's earnings probably in August. I would say Homecoming is doing very well, especially for a 3rd reboot.

Surfer

Indeed. The movie's boxoffice started like on the 6th/7th of July, that's like 10 days ago, and so far has made $469M worldwide, without Japan and China. And this is only for 10 days.

 

[Grootster]

It's a shame that there's been such a big drop, I was beginning to think it might break a billion (or at least get close), but now it looks like it probably won't.

 

[Arach Knight]

The problem here is stability with the character as he's been depicted in film. Spider-man was introduced fifteen years ago to the cinematic public. But in fifteen years he continues to be recast and kept wet behind the ears so that audiences are becoming fatigued with the early stages of this hero. When can this character come into his own and just BE Spider-man?

He seem to be reaching that level by the time Sony cut ties with Raimi and Tobey. He never got past a runny nose with Garfield. And now he's not even old enough to drive or design his own outfit. So the character keeps regressing. After fifteen years, I think the general masses are tired of Spider-boy in diapers. They want Spider-MAN.

I never understood the obsession with returning Peter to high school with every new cinematic incarnation of the character. The majority of Spider-Man's most memorable tales happened during his Empire U days. I mean, Peter was only in high school for the first 30 issues of Amazing Spider-Man, but many people seem to share the misconception that the character somehow "works best" while in high school.

On a different note, while many complained about Warner Bros. opting to introduce characters in ensemble films first rather than solo origin movies, I am actually glad that Warner Bros. trusted that their characters were familiar enough to audiences, and that origin films weren't necessary for every principal character in the DCEU. Homecoming was marketed as not being an origin story, but that is only true in so far as they excluded the murder of Uncle Ben. Everything else about the movie is styled after the traditional origin story arc. If only Sony would just give us a Spider-Man that already works at the Bugle, is already dating Mary Jane.

 

[StormC]

300M DOM/750M WW would be a good start for a rerebooted franchise. I hope it's more but I don't think the Sony deal will crumble with those sort of numbers.

 

[kedrell]

This heavy drop(relatively) and WftPotA's lower OW to me are a clear example of these 2 great movies hurting each other due to their proximity. What Hollywood exec/morons scheduled it this way? They should be fired. SMH lost probably $10m due to this and War probably lost $10-15m. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!

And you Nolan fans better brace yourselves for Dunkirk to follow suit as well. All these movies should have had at least 1 extra week of buffer space between them. It's nuts.

 

[StormC]

Apes should have been an August release.

 

[Ozbridge]

Apes should have been an August release.

True Apes skews old and won't benefit from summer weekdays in July anyway. And by releasing this weekend it'll be hurt next weekend by Dunkirk which also skews old.

Edit because I think I've had 2 post deleted for off-topic: But if Apes were scheduled this weekend first then I think Sony already choose best date for SMH.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

This heavy drop(relatively) and WftPotA's lower OW to me are a clear example of these 2 great movies hurting each other due to their proximity. What Hollywood exec/morons scheduled it this way? They should be fired. SMH lost probably $10m due to this and War probably lost $10-15m. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!

I don't mean to be rude but you are spectacularly wrong here. SM:H's hold is only slightly worse than what was expected and War did 0k considering Fox dropped the ball with the marketing. You're right that both movies did hurt each other but not to the extent you think it did.

And you Nolan fans better brace yourselves for Dunkirk to follow suit as well. All these movies should have had at least 1 extra week of buffer space between them. It's nuts.

Nao this is really interesting. Dunkirk is such a wildcard. It'll be so much fun to follow next weekend's BO. We have Dunkirk, Valerian and Rough Night next weekend. Also SM:H's 3rd weekend drop will be telling because it'll basically indicate the legs the movie will have at the domestic BO. If SM:H holds well then it'll have a nice run throughout August.

 

[Spider-Ock]

I am no box office expert but something fell off this weekend. Every estimate for every new/"buzzy" film (POWTA, SM:HC, The Big Sick) fell short of expectations. It could be that a lot of people just didn't "feel" like going to the movies.

Again, not trying to excuse Homecoming's "big" drop, just putting out a theory.

I still feel it has a shot at 800 mil or more, given how well it's playing out overseas.

 

[Ozbridge]

I am no box office expert but something fell off this weekend. Every estimate for every new/"buzzy" film (POWTA, SM:HC, The Big Sick) fell short of expectations. It could be that a lot of people just didn't "feel" like going to the movies.

Again, not trying to excuse Homecoming's "big" drop, just putting out a theory.

I still feel it has a shot at 800 mil or more, given how well it's playing out overseas.

I think that a 90%+ RT doesn't guarantee a stellar run or excellent WOM. I think SMH doesn't have much to offer beyond a generic MCU movie and Apes doesn't connect with GA.

I think that SPM more likely than not will cross 800M but it's not locked.

All these movies should have had at least 1 extra week of buffer space between them. It's nuts.

But summer only has that many weekends, studios can't afford to schedule their big budget movies 2 weeks apart.

Nao this is really interesting. Dunkirk is such a wildcard. It'll be so much fun to follow next weekend's BO. We have Dunkirk, Valerian and Rough Night next weekend. Also SM:H's 3rd weekend drop will be telling because it'll basically indicate the legs the movie will have at the domestic BO. If SM:H holds well then it'll have a nice run throughout August.

Dunkirk is apparently hailed as a masterpiece while Valerian is at at least praised for visuals so I think both will do in line with expectation (and I mean in line with expectation 2 weeks ago because with its budget Valerian will flop nevertheless). And did you mean we'll have Girls Trip next weekend? It's getting very good RT score and average rating so it'll be interesting to see how next weekend goes (though as SMH and Apes prove stellar RT doesn't guarantee break out or leg).

I do agree that SMH's 3rd weekend drop is more indicative of leg than 2nd weekend drop as there's always a rush factor in OW.

 

[iEquinox]

At least it'll have some breathing room after Dunkirk comes out. Barely any really big releases after that for a while. Dark Tower is kind of the only one that has potential to be big until the last half of September, and it doesn't look like Dark Tower will be that big. It will also have a more mature audience so it will probably have more of an effect on Apes/Dunkirk than it would on Spider-Man.

And talking about competition, May/June next year looks like an absolute nightmare in that regard.

After Infinity War on May 4th, there's all of these, with just 1 week seperating each one from the next:

Han Solo (May 25th)
Deadpool 2(June 1st)
Ocean's 8(June 8)
Incredibles 2(June 15)
Jurassic World 2(June 22).

If none of those get moved it will be a ridiculous couple of weeks for the box office.

 

[Tymminator]

At least it'll have some breathing room after Dunkirk comes out. Barely any really big releases after that for a while. Dark Tower is kind of the only one that has potential to be big until the last half of September, and it doesn't look like Dark Tower will be that big. It will also have a more mature audience so it will probably have more of an effect on Apes/Dunkirk than it would on Spider-Man.

And talking about competition, May/June next year looks like an absolute nightmare in that regard.

After Infinity War on May 4th, there's all of these, with just 1 week seperating each one from the next:

Han Solo (May 25th)
Deadpool 2(June 1st)
Ocean's 8(June 8)
Incredibles 2(June 15)
Jurassic World 2(June 22).

If none of those get moved it will be a ridiculous couple of weeks for the box office.

Yikes!

 

[Chesterfield]

Dude all Sony cares about is $$$

Did you read what I said? My point still stands. Sony ruined the reputation of the ip and this is the best course of action to stop the bleeding and start the healing. It's ridiculous to have such over ambitious monetary expectations with this film. That's not how business works.

 

[StormC]

If Disney isn't dumb Han Solo will move. They keep trying to put SW in summer even though December is perfect for it.

I wonder if Spidey will ever get May back. That's Disney Marvel's stomping grounds now.

 

[ironwez20]

they could have made another andrew garfield movie. However in their defense-

Marvel produced this movie-Kevin Feige picked the actor. Marvel created the script.this is a Marvel film that Sony financed and gets the profits. Marvel gets a fee for making this movie.

What could Sony have done 'better'.

No I'm talking about what Sony did. They should of gave spiderman to marvel from the get go instead of making some half baked remake

 

[Ozbridge]

Dark Tower is kind of the only one that has potential to be big until the last half of September, and it doesn't look like Dark Tower will be that big.

It won't open big because only fans of the book will see it and Idris Elba can't sell anything contrary to what internet fans believe.

Han Solo (May 25th)
Deadpool 2(June 1st)
Ocean's 8(June 8)
Incredibles 2(June 15)
Jurassic World 2(June 22).

If none of those get moved it will be a ridiculous couple of weeks for the box office.

I think Ocean's 8 won't open that big (30M+ or so) and won't be hurt much by other movies anyway (it'll skew female even though the old movies' cast are males). Actually I think the one hurt most is Bumblebee which seems dead on arrival.

Oh well of all those movies I'll only see IW and JW 2 anyway.

If Disney isn't dumb Han Solo will move. They keep trying to put SW in summer even though December is perfect for it.

Han Solo likely won't be released next May considering they hired a new director last month, but I don't know when they will schedule it because they already save Mary Poppins for Christmas and that one won't movie.

I wonder if Spidey will ever get May back. That's Disney Marvel's stomping grounds now.

Well obviously of Marvel one day has Spider-Man back then they'll be willing to place a SM movie in first weekend of May. Or a late May release like Maleficent, Alice through the Looking Glass or the last 3 PotC movies.

 

[gerrym51]

No I'm talking about what Sony did. They should of gave spiderman to marvel from the get go instead of making some half baked remake

Do you know if Sony didn't make the decision to let Garfield go with Marvel consultation?

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Dunkirk is apparently hailed as a masterpiece while Valerian is at at least praised for visuals so I think both will do in line with expectation (and I mean in line with expectation 2 weeks ago because with its budget Valerian will flop nevertheless). And did you mean we'll have Girls Trip next weekend? It's getting very good RT score and average rating so it'll be interesting to see how next weekend goes (though as SMH and Apes prove stellar RT doesn't guarantee break out or leg).

Dang, that was a mistake. It's Girls Trip and not Rough Night.

I do agree that SMH's 3rd weekend drop is more indicative of leg than 2nd weekend drop as there's always a rush factor in OW.

 

[Faith_Cassidy]

I think that a 90%+ RT doesn't guarantee a stellar run or excellent WOM. I think SMH doesn't have much to offer beyond a generic MCU movie and Apes doesn't connect with GA.

There is no reason to think SMH didn't have good WOM. I've seen way more people raving about it than calling it a "generic MCU movie". Fact is, it was never going to hold as well as movies like Wonder Woman or GotG or even GotG2 because those movies were seen as bringing something fresh/unique to the genre. Certainly, I would not say WW or GotG2 is a better movie than SMH but they didn't need to be. WW being the first good movie starring a female superohero has taken it a long way. SMH, on the other hand, would always have to contend with a portion of moviegoers seeing it as yet another spidey movie, regardless of how good it turned out to be.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Spidey's drop is surprising considering Apes isn't exactly killing it

Could the high school setting be turning people off?