BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 3

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As I said, I'm inclined to think it was just cut that way, but I might be wrong. I quite possibly am, actually.
I'm positive that it's an exterior shot showing a tent covering the crashed scout ship and all external & internal scenes with the electrical discharge occurred there.
 
Brought this over from the All Things thread:

Mindblown! What if the vision is of a Post-Apocalyptic future where Darkseid conquered Earth and Superman is leading the military to war against him. Superman is going to do something Batman disapproves of and travels to Superman's army base to convince him to do otherwise, but is attacked by his soldiers and then the parademons attack.
 
I like the theory, but Supes appears way too evil in that scene. He is not just pissed, he is truly evil there. Corrupt by Darkseid I'd bet.
 
I admit that I'm still catching up as a fan on the comic book history of the DC characters (I read Silver Age comics as a kid, and I'm an avid fan of CBM films--so there's an enormous gap in my knowledge base).

This Doomsday, the one for this film... Does it seem like he going to be some sort of reanimation/cloning experiment created from Zod's corpse? That seems to be implied by the way the trailer is edited just prior to his appearance. To me anyway. Does that align with any canon version of Doomsday?

And might this be a heavily adapted version of the Doomsday character? I'm aware of the "death of Superman" story (from Wikipedia), but perhaps Snyder will deviate from that here?

If the film seems to kill off Superman it will only be an illusion of him being dead, imho. I cannot imagine that they will permanently kill off "the chairman of the board" for the DC universe in the film that establishes the JL's core trinity.

Thank you all for educating someone like me that the "harpy" looking creatures seem to be Darkseid's parademons. At first I assumed those might simply be something from a nightmare. Then I wondered if they were related to WW's world of divinities and magic. But it looks pretty certain that they are parademons. To me, parademons appearing nudges the desert scene more into the camp of it being a vision by Diana versus Batman's nightmare. Unless Batman has somehow learned about them from his research.

I agree with the sentiments expressed earlier by Krypton Inc that if there is no evil clone of Superman then we still need to learn why Superman appears to be so damn nasty in so many scenes. If there is no clone is he then mind-controlled?
 
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I like the theory, but Supes appears way too evil in that scene. He is not just pissed, he is truly evil there. Corrupt by Darkseid I'd bet.

True, but I think he'd be angry that Batman gave away the location of his base by unwittingly leading Darkseid to him.
 
True, but I think he'd be angry that Batman gave away the location of his base by unwittingly leading Darkseid to him.

True. But, again, I'm getting more of an "Injustice" evil Superman vibe from the scene than just him being pissed off. And why would Batman appear afraid of him like he does if Supes was just angry? Anyway, it's just my impression.
 
I admit that I'm still catching up as a fan on the comic book history of the DC characters (I read Silver Age comics as a kid, and I'm an avid fan of CBM films--so there's an enormous gap in my knowledge base).

This Doomsday, the one for this film... Does it seem like he going to be some sort of reanimation/cloning experiment created from Zod's corpse? That seems to be implied by the way the trailer is edited just prior to his appearance. To me anyway. Does that align with any canon version of Doomsday?

And might this be a heavily adapted version of the Doomsday character? I'm aware of the "death of Superman" story (from Wikipedia), but perhaps Snyder will deviate from that here?

If the film seems to kill off Superman it will only be an illusion of him being dead, imho. I cannot imagine that they will permanently kill off "the chairman of the board" for the DC universe in the film that establishes the JL's core trinity.

Thank you all for educating someone like me that the "harpy" looking creatures seem to be Darkseid's parademons. At first I assumed those might simply be something from a nightmare. Then I wondered if they were related to WW's world of divinities and magic. But it looks pretty certain that they are parademons. To me, parademons appearing nudges the desert scene more into the camp of if being a vision by Diana versus Batman's nightmare. Unless Batman has somehow learned about them from his research.

I agree with the sentiments expressed earlier by Krypton Inc that if there is no evil clone of Superman then we still need to learn why Superman appears to be so damn nasty in so many scenes. If there is no clone is he then mind-controlled?

It seems like this is going to be a Doomsday created by using something of Zod's, either his DNA or his corpse, and manipulating it in some way to produce a DoomZod of a sort. That particular take isn't canon, but there have been versions where Lex discovers/releases Doomsday, so this isn't a massive stretch. And since Doomsday's origin is that he is a Kryptonian life form of a sort it does make a certain amount of sense, although it does appear that they're mixing Doomsday with a "normal" Kryptonian in terms of him having the heat vision, which he doesn't normally have. As far as being canon, there are various elements of this version that are pretty much identical to some ways he's portrayed in other source material. Using Zod's body is the biggest addition that isn't canon though, but his general appearance and that he's an evolving, adaptive and genetic killing machine - that's all standard.

It's also unlikely this will go the same way as the Death of Superman arc, it's the most famous Doomsday source material but in other confrontations with Doomsday Superman doesn't necessarily die, so the myth that that's the "only'' way to use the character is fallacious.

As far as why Supes acts evil, we see Lex with Lois at some stage, it's possible Lex kidnapped her and is forcing Superman's hand in some way, but that's all up for speculation.
 
Well he did just get attacked by Superman's own troops, so I'd imagine there was a fallout between them. I just like delivering an alternate theory to brainwashed Superman/corrupted Superman.
 
Well he did just get attacked by Superman's own troops, so I'd imagine there was a fallout between them. I just like delivering an alternate theory to brainwashed Superman/corrupted Superman.

And as an alternative theories go, this is a good one in my book. :cwink:

I'm currently playing around with few ideas in my head, regarding the possible scenarios with that postapocalyptic sequence, so I try to refrain from settling on a single one as of now.
 
It's not impossible, they're throwing curveballs by mixing up Doomsday's origin. The main reason why I think it'll be a parademonified Superman is because in that future it pretty much means the end of all the other super beings. Once Superman is turned he'll be able to capture and convert anyone else since he's technically the most powerful. An alternate future where all the super heroes are still good but Darkseid's arrived is still bad, but not really cataclysmic in terms of them not being able to defeat him. Darkseid + evil Superman? That's starting to sound pretty bad.

I would imagine Diana is there to unite the JL as a pre-emptive measure so that they're not divided and possibly captured in this armageddon future, if it's indeed a vision of hers or another Amazon.
 
It seems like this is going to be a Doomsday created by using something of Zod's, either his DNA or his corpse, and manipulating it in some way to produce a DoomZod of a sort. That particular take isn't canon, but there have been versions where Lex discovers/releases Doomsday, so this isn't a massive stretch. And since Doomsday's origin is that he is a Kryptonian life form of a sort it does make a certain amount of sense, although it does appear that they're mixing Doomsday with a "normal" Kryptonian in terms of him having the heat vision, which he doesn't normally have. As far as being canon, there are various elements of this version that are pretty much identical to some ways he's portrayed in other source material. Using Zod's body is the biggest addition that isn't canon though, but his general appearance and that he's an evolving, adaptive and genetic killing machine - that's all standard.

It's also unlikely this will go the same way as the Death of Superman arc, it's the most famous Doomsday source material but in other confrontations with Doomsday Superman doesn't necessarily die, so the myth that that's the "only'' way to use the character is fallacious.

As far as why Supes acts evil, we see Lex with Lois at some stage, it's possible Lex kidnapped her and his forcing Superman's hand in some way, but that's all up for speculation.

Thanks! Lol, perhaps the flipper-Zod scene is a reality then if so!

I will be hugely disappointed if Superman is extorted by Lex because Lex is threatening a kidnapped Lois. I.e., that he submits to Lex's will because of something like that. That would be a Superman who lets personal feelings override principles. Lex is obviously a dangerous man who cannot be trusted to begin with. So hopefully that isn't the explanation!

Also, Superman looks downright evil to me in too many scenes. (Above and beyond the desert vision by Diana or dream by Batman, whichever it is.)
 
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As far as why Supes acts evil, we see Lex with Lois at some stage, it's possible Lex kidnapped her and is forcing Superman's hand in some way, but that's all up for speculation.

The scene with Lex and Lois is part of the scene we've seen previously of Superman kneeling before him – his hand is bandaged the same.

Interestingly, a work colleague has just emailed me about the trailer – the guy is a massive Star Wars and Marvel fan, yet he thought the trailer was 'Epic', and it's got him excited for the movie.
I really don't understand the negativity – AoU gives away the entire storyline in it's trailers... every act is revealled... I swear if you get every TV spot and trailer you could edit them into the actual movie... yet all I saw from those trailers was positive.
Batman v Superman reveals a lot more than we possibly expected, but ultimately it only reveals pretty much what we have already summised would be the rough plot!
 
The scene with Lex and Lois is part of the scene we've seen previously of Superman kneeling before him – his hand is bandaged the same.

Interestingly, a work colleague has just emailed me about the trailer – the guy is a massive Star Wars and Marvel fan, yet he thought the trailer was 'Epic', and it's got him excited for the movie.
I really don't understand the negativity – AoU gives away the entire storyline in it's trailers... every act is revealled... I swear if you get every TV spot and trailer you could edit them into the actual movie... yet all I saw from those trailers was positive.
Batman v Superman reveals a lot more than we possibly expected, but ultimately it only reveals pretty much what we have already summised would be the rough plot!

I think the trailer raises many more questions than it answers. Which is great. I'm itching to see this film more than ever.
 
All this whining about key plot points being given away is ridiculous. That's what modern trailers do. They're still effectively only showing glimpses, especially of the action. That's exciting.
 
The trailer is cut that way to make it seem so, but doesn't he do that in a scout ship?:

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Similarly to how it was made to look like Batman was shooting at Superman from the batwing, while he actually did it with batmobile until Superman heat-visioned the car.

I don't think these two scenes really align.

Watch again. He clearly frankensteins Zod at Hero Park in downtown Metropolis. You can see the bubble that Lexcorp is using to cover up the scout ship. It's likely never been moved. Watch the trailer when it shows the lightning in the background of hero park.
 
Watch again. He clearly frankensteins Zod at Hero Park in downtown Metropolis. You can see the bubble that Lexcorp is using to cover up the scout ship. It's likely never been moved. Watch the trailer when it shows the lightning in the background of hero park.

Yeah, you're right.
 
You know, in terms of Lex, I feel like there HAS to be a very deliberate reason why they decided to take such a left turn with this interpretation of him. Out of everything, he seems to be the big "huh" of this movie but I feel like Snyder had to have had a specific reason/ vision for this Lex Luthor. I'm going in with a very open mind but Lex is still jarring to me.
 
He's a blend of Golden Age, Silver Age and Modern Luthor.
 
I don't think it's a left turn so much as a long overdue one.
 
You know, in terms of Lex, I feel like there HAS to be a very deliberate reason why they decided to take such a left turn with this interpretation of him. Out of everything, he seems to be the big "huh" of this movie but I feel like Snyder had to have had a specific reason/ vision for this Lex Luthor. I'm going in with a very open mind but Lex is still jarring to me.

I think the difference is they wanted to go with showing how Lex degrades into the Lex we know today. So, they wanted an element of character development. Which is why I don't understand why people are crapping on Eisenberg and saying "THAT'S NOT COMICS LEX!" Well of course it isn't, we haven't seen the full character development.

We get glimpses of his facade, glimpses who he really is, and glimpses of his inferiority complex against Superman. The stuff is already there. It will come full circle.
 
It certainly looks like Lex has has acquired Superman's scout ship, and then its birthing chamber.

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Wait a minute... and I'm sorry if I'm late to the party on this and I have to run out atm so I can't check. But when Lex appears to be creating Doomsday on the scout ship isn't that Superman standing behind him?

If so, perhaps the evil clone Superman theory yet lives, lol.
 
Wait a minute... and I'm sorry if I'm late to the party on this and I have to run out atm so I can't check. But when Lex appears to be creating Doomsday on the scout ship isn't that Superman standing behind him?

If so, perhaps the evil clone Superman theory yet lives, lol.

doubtful. Why create Doomsday if you have aa clone of Superman?
 
I've got to be honest, I don't really feel like those are Parademons. Sure, they could pass as them but I just don't feel like that fits.

I'm still 99.999% certain that is just a Bruce Wayne nightmare that is just his worst fears. With Superman a "god" this is a symbolic plague of locus.
 
I've got to be honest, I don't really feel like those are Parademons. Sure, they could pass as them but I just don't feel like that fits.

I'm still 99.999% certain that is just a Bruce Wayne nightmare that is just his worst fears. With Superman a "god" this is a symbolic plague of locus.

attacking both him and Superman's army?
 
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