BvS The BvS Rumor/Speculation Discussion Thread! - Part 4

[rogbngp]

is this DEVIL WILL DO IT scene inside the crashed scout ship? Looks like it, with a floating Keelor "type" robot and all.

The lightning shot benind the Superman statue looks to be the ship?

If so, Why didn't Superman take the ship and hide it?
Why is he standing behind Lex so calm like...

It looks like the scout ship which unaccountably was left at the Metropolis crash site rather than Superman getting it out of the military's hands (it will prove to have been dreadfully poor judgment to leave it there, I think).

As to why Superman is idly standing by as Lex apparently creates Doomsday, that is a great question. I think it may yet be a clone of Superman. But if not, I hope the reason is not that as Lex is holding Lois hostage, or that Superman is mind-controlled.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

This bothers me a bit too. I think it's short sighted that he would leave the ship with the birthing tech, the very tech that Jor-El said was a big part of the problems of Krypton's culture, and just allow it to fall into the governments hands.

Other posters have said Superman, after helping with the Black Zero attack victims, would have let the military take possession of the ship and Zod's body as a show of good faith. Eh... I can see that but I still think allowing that to happen is writing Superman as being way too short sighted.

As for the standing with Lex in the ship... No clue. People are assuming a lot, ESPECIALLY with Lex. For all we know that's not his "release the Kracken" moment with Doomsday. It could well be AFTER the battle, he's been defeated, the authorities are on their way and he busts out the villain monologue talking about how he must become the villain to take out Superman ect. Maybe the devil he's referring to is himself?

Like I said... for all we know this takes place AFTER the DD fight.

 

[souperman]

...all good Q's

What about the end of MOS. He destroys the drone, General Stanwick says a really really bad line. I wish they would do a George Lucas over dub. "are you effin stupid !?"

One of the few cringe worthy things in MOS for me.

You say that to the Man of Steel ? The Superman who just saved the world !? Really bad line ...Thanks Goyer.

But anyway, Superman says, "you are trying to find out where I hang my cape... you wont."

I assumed he meant the fortress of solitude -the scout ship.

Maybe he did allow the government to hold it for good faith, and maybe at the end of BvS he takes it away... You are not ready for this technology...

 

[rogbngp]

This bothers me a bit too. I think it's short sighted that he would leave the ship with the birthing tech, the very tech that Jor-El said was a big part of the problems of Krypton's culture, and just allow it to fall into the governments hands.

Other posters have said Superman, after helping with the Black Zero attack victims, would have let the military take possession of the ship and Zod's body as a show of good faith. Eh... I can see that but I still think allowing that to happen is writing Superman as being way too short sighted.

As for the standing with Lex in the ship... No clue. People are assuming a lot, ESPECIALLY with Lex. For all we know that's not his "release the Kracken" moment with Doomsday. It could well be AFTER the battle, he's been defeated, the authorities are on their way and he busts out the villain monologue talking about how he must become the villain to take out Superman ect. Maybe the devil he's referring to is himself?

I suspect it's probably when Lex is creating the creature, but that will not be the same moment where we see the monster leap down from the building to challenge the trinity.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I suspect it's probably when Lex is creating the creature, but that will not be the same moment where we see the monster leap down from the building to challenge the trinity.

Well he's wearing the same outfit as when he's speaking to Lois and I think evidence indicates that's near or part of the big act three fight with the monster.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I sort of doubt that Superman could fly away with that massive spacecraft very quickly, if at all. Satellites would be able to track him. They were able to track those ridiculously fast kryptonian ships after all.

Besides, just taking away the evidence would make the world let out a collective wtf. What's next? Taking away the US's nuclear weapons?

 

[rogbngp]

Well he's wearing the same outfit as when he's speaking to Lois and I think evidence indicates that's near or part of the big act three fight with the monster.

Ah! Good eye.

 

[rogbngp]

Although in movies sometimes we don't see characters change clothes when in real life they would.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I sort of doubt that Superman could pick that thing up and fly away with it very quickly, if at all. Satellites would be able to track him.

Besides, just taking away the evidence would make the world let out a collective wtf. What's next? Taking away the US's nuclear weapons?

I get the arguments against it but when balancing out the good of the world, the possibility of Earth starting down the road of MOS' Krypton then, yeah, you take the ship and Zod's body. I can see where others are coming from but I think Superman would put the safety and security of the planet above any hit his reputation would take from stopping humanity from getting their hands on the alien tech from his homeworld.

 

[rogbngp]

I get the arguments against it but when balancing out the good of the world, the possibility of Earth starting down the road of MOS' Krypton then, yeah, you take the ship and Zod's body. I can see where others are coming from but I think Superman would put the safety and security of the planet above any hit his reputation would take from stopping humanity from getting their hands on the alien tech from his homeworld.

FWIW, that's how I see it as well. I would liken it to letting a toddler play with a very big, razor sharp knife. Or a gun. Pick your metaphor.

 

[Rapunzel]

Well he's wearing the same outfit as when he's speaking to Lois and I think evidence indicates that's near or part of the big act three fight with the monster.

Means nothing. Could be earlier that night as he's working....then a separate scene later is with Superman/Lois.

Personally, I suspect he's already released DD-- kidnapping Lois is the distraction to keep Clark unaware of it. He makes Clark think Lois is in danger, when it's actually Bruce. Supes then rushes to save Bats, arriving too late, but WW makes the save.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

FWIW, that's how I see it as well. I would liken it to letting a toddler play with a very big, razor sharp knife. Or a gun. Pick your metaphor.

We deem the government responsible enough to handle nuclear weapons...

He can publically explain Krypton's downfall, putting the government off using that societal system,...as if Americans even need a lesson in freedom...

If the day ever comes that the US is crazy enough to consider adopting Krypton's societal system, that is when Supes should step in and take away the technology. Last resort.

The bigger danger is the world's fear of Superman, as BvS seems to be exploring with Bats, Lex, and possibly senator Finch. Supes taking away the ship, if he even could, could make things worse.

 

[Clark-Kent]

George Lucas directs Batman v Superman fight:


"Faster more intense!"

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Means nothing. Could be earlier that night as he's working....then a separate scene later is with Superman/Lois.

Personally, I suspect he's already released DD-- kidnapping Lois is the distraction to keep Clark unaware of it. He makes Clark think Lois is in danger, when it's actually Bruce. Supes then rushes to save Bats, arriving too late, but WW makes the save.

Well it means there is a possibility that it's within the time frame of before, after or during the DD fight, as the background of Lex with Lois and "Day vs Night ect." looks to be the same.

 

[matt47]

Speaking of the military..how big a part do you think they'll play in the final fight? Do you think they will interfere like they did in the Smallville fight? (WhichI really wonder what would have happened if they didn't interfere with Superman fighting the Kryptonians.)
Or be part of the bigger plan like in the Black Zero takedown?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

We deem the government responsible enough to handle nuclear weapons...

He can publically explain Krypton's downfall, putting the government off using that societal system,...as if Americans even need a lesson in freedom...

If the day ever comes thag the US is crazy enough to consider adopting Krypton's societal system, that is when Supes should step in and take away the technology. Last resort.

Once again though... Jor-el made it clear that the start of Krypton's problems WAS the use of the birthing tech. This isn't a tenuous connection, it's EXACTLY what Jor-el was warning him about. Look, I get the argument, it has some weight to it, but to my mind Superman would take custody and take what ever consequences for the greater good. This is Prime Directive stuff. Nukes were developed by man, and man has come up with ways to live with that discovery. The K-Tech is something just dropped right into mankind's lap. Again... I can live with it in the story but I think it would have been smart to write things differently.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

...but Jor El wanted Clark to use that technology to restart the kryptonian race on Earth.

It's not about using the tech so much as the societal system, and destroying their own world. And like Jor El said, Clark can do so by guiding them.

 

[Rapunzel]

I suspect all the tech is taken care of and unbeknownst to anyone, Lex has stolen it back. I suspect Zod's body for example was at the bottom of the ocean. I think it's what's being recovered in that underwater scene. Such a thing could also give AM a small role.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

...but Jor El wanted Clark to use that technology to restart the kryptonian race on Earth.

It's not about using the tech so much as the societal system, and destroying their own world. And like Jor El said, Clark can do so by guiding them.

I don't think it's clear as to what Jor-el wanted exactly Clark to do. Sure, he talks to Zod about coexistence, he mentions on Krypton about possibly saving their race but he says NOTHING to Clark about the Codex, the thing which would make it all possible. To be clear, Clark is not aware that he has been bound with the Codex.

And again... If Clark doesn't want Earth to retrace the steps of Krypton, allowing the birthing tech to be in the government's hands is tempting fate a bit too much for my tastes.

Again though, I get the idea that he would allow it as a show of good faith. I just think there is more weight to the idea of him being forward thinking and not handing such stuff over.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Yeah, but you could argue that building relations with the world and not plunging it further into fear is also Clark being forward thinking.

If Clark acts above them, taking away their ability to learn about their attackers, getting in the way of a world looking for answers, it'll only more quickly turn him into the enemy and as a symbol of fear. How long before that leads to more trouble than the kryptonian technology could even cause?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Yeah, but you could argue that building relations with the world and not plunging it futher into fear is also Clark being forward thinking.

If Clark acts above them, taking away their ability to learn about their attackers, getting in the way of a world looking for answers, it'll only more quickly turn him into the enemy and as a symbol of fear. How long before that leads to more trouble than the kryptonian technology could even cause?

Eh... That I don't buy. There'd be a DIRECT connection to whatever mischief could be brought about by letting humanity have the K-Tech (Say... creating an unstoppable bio engineered killing machine from the resurrected remains of a Kryptonian warlord... ) while it's more oblique to say that taking it away could lead to shenanigans down the road. What ever shenanigans it would be WITHOUT the K-tech to make it all that much worse. As I said though, I can see the other side, I just wish it were written differently because I think the stigma, wrongly so, of Superman being childishly naive, is still with the character and writing it so that he's much more insightful and proactive would help ease that stigma. Let's just say the last thing I want is a scene of Batman lecturing Superman that he shouldn't have allowed humanity to have Zod's body and the K-tech.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

But regardless, he'd know that he can't hide that thing. The government would just come and demand he turn it over.

Zod's body is another thing. But again, Earth has just been visited by extraterrestrial life, and he's going to rob them of the opportunity to study it? Because there might be a manipulative madman out there who could weasle his way through the government and get his hands on both the body and the genesis chamber and know how to create a monster? Those chances are much lower than a madman simply getting their hands on a nuke. Should Superman take away the US's nuclear armament too?..

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

But regardless, he'd know that he can't hide that thing. The government would just come and demand he turn it over.

With all he can do, there are many ways he could have hidden it and, BOOM, there's your origin for the Fortress. It would be a reverse of the usual origin, at least since Donner anyway. Instead of something made by Kryptonian tech for Superman it's made by Superman to house Kryptonian tech. Let's also remember the World Engine wreckage as well. It's spread all over the Indian Ocean. How many OTHER countries would make use of what could be learned by studying all that tech? See... We are realistically talking about MASSIVE shifts in the status quo of the world. That' another reason to have written it that he grabbed all that stuff up, or at least the lion's share. I don't have an issue with some tech falling into human hands and being used to vex Supes with. That I can see. But to just let it all be taken into government custody feels thin.

Like I said... Prime Directive stuff should have at least been considered.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

With all he can do, there are many ways he could have hidden it and, BOOM, there's your origin for the Fortress. It would be a reverse of the usual origin, at least since Donner anyway. Instead of something made by Kryptonian tech for Superman it's made by Superman to house Kryptonian tech.

Or he could just destroy it. But either way, I don't think he would.

How many OTHER countries would make use of what could be learned by studying all that tech? See... We are realistically talking about MASSIVE shifts in the status quo of the world. That' another reason to have written it that he grabbed all that stuff up, or at least the lion's share. I don't have an issue with some tech falling into human hands and being used to vex Supes with. That I can see. But to just let it all be taken into government custody feels thin.

Exactly. What could be learned? The scout ship has a phantom drive, right? Humans could possibly learn interstellar travel, the benefits of which I don't need to explain, but they won't because Superman is scared that the world will become a communist society and a madman might get his hands on dangerous technology?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am guessing you don't watch a lot of Star Trek brother.