Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 2

[JtheDreamer]

Yeah I did, at the very least I thought one of them was going to be seriously injured. The emotions were high during that finale. Stark had cracked and Rogers was running on pure emotion.

As cool as I thought it was when I first saw that fight in the trailers, it kinda ruined it for me. So did the spoilers somebody posted showing Bucky lying motionless on the ground without his mechanical arm.

 

[jmc]

I kept clear of spoilers so it probably had a different impact on me.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

I'm not kidding when I say this. I thought one of the two was going to kill the other. Twice during the last fight I thought it could go either way.

In the final moments when Cap was teeing off on Stark and was preparing to slam the shield down on him, for a moment there I really did think he was going to kill him. Kind of like despite Black Widow's contractual immortality, I was genuinely scared for her when Winter Soldier stalked her in the street battle and literally crapped myself when he leaped out of nowhere and had the grenade launcher trained on her.

 

[Galactus123]

Why is it stupid? People moan that Peter shouldn't be able to make his costume but want to throw a fit because Aunt May who's struggling to make ends and raise her nephew as a single parent isn't living in a cushy big ass house? If you want to go for realism then it's silly to pick and choose especially when it comes to the reality of housing. It actually makes more sense that Peter and May are living in an apartment and not in an actual big ol'house like it's been portrayed in every incarnation of Spidey's mythology (until now).

You might be right but I still think they should be living in a house. I don't like that they change things like this.

 

[JtheDreamer]

In the final moments when Cap was teeing off on Stark and was preparing to slam the shield down on him, for a moment there I really did think he was going to kill him. Kind of like despite Black Widow's contractual immortality, I was genuinely scared for her when Winter Soldier stalked her in the street battle and literally crapped myself when he leaped out of nowhere and had the grenade launcher trained on her.

You almost crapped yourself?

Well this much is certain, you definitely get waaaaaaaaaaaay more into these movies than I do.

 

[Silent Snore]

A lot of great points in here.

The thing with Tony- he creates his own problems half the time. IM2 villain- wronged by Starks. Avengers- Loki uses his tech to open the hole. IM3 villain became a villain after Tony humiliated him. He created Ultron!!! Behind everybody's back! Lucky accident that Vsion ended up okay...Oh, lets see in CA:WS he gave the Hydra death ships their propulsion engines. You can blame Ant-Man destruction indirectly on the Starks, since it was the Stark run SHIELD who attempted to steal Pym's formula, and drove Pym to hiding, creating conditions for Cross to come along. The Maximoffs joined Hydra to get back at Stark- so once more we can indirectly pin all the mayhem they caused--including bewitched Hulk smashing South Africa---on the Starks. Oh, and Howard fished out the tessaract. How much destruction is spared if he had left that alone? Basically the Starks are the direct or indirect cause of nearly everything that has gone bad in MCU. By rights, Tony should have been imprisoned for life.

Now let's look at Steve's history. Government turns him into a super soldier...and then has him selling bonds? Has Fury hiding things in Avengers, seees government try to nuke NYC. Works for ShIELD anyways, only to find its been infilitrated by HYDRA. He stops plot only to have US congress blame him. Trusts his Avenger buddies only to have 2 of them create a death robot.
If anything, Steve is being generous when he says "the safest hands are still OUR own" Without mincing words, it should read "the safest hands are still MY own"

Cap has every reason to not trust governments, but to be trusted by the world. And the knuckleheads that brought Abomination and Ultron have the chutzpah to tell him him bow to their authority. No. Steve Rogers is not the world's problem.

#TEAMCAP

I agree with most of this, but actions taken by Howard aren't Tony's fault. And blaming him for being an indirect cause (the Arc Reactor tech, people he has directly or indirectly wronged in the past) of much of the evil in the MCU takes away from who are the direct instigators of these events (Scarlet Witch, Thanos, Loki, Stark's villains, Ultron, etc).

Using that logic, you could give Steve the same judgement for all the wrong the super-soldier serum and its offshoots have caused.

Tony definitely deserves a lot of flack, but he's not the main point of blame for every single thing that goes wrong in the MCU.

 

[jmc]

Vision says in the film words to the effect that Stark set the ball rolling for bigger and greater threats once he revealed himself to the world in IM1.

 

[ernesth100]

I love how the movie starts an actual Civil War on who's right and whos wrong.

 

[☆OldGrey-Man☆]

Just got out of the movie and , wow, what a ride.

Would like to say I was impressed with Bruhl as Zemo. He only had his wits to use and he partially succeeded in his goal. A very understated and complex performance.

 

[king666]

Enjoyed it a lot. Right now I still think TWS is the superior movie, but still, Civil War is awesome. Airport scene was simply amazing, best comic book action ever.

 

[Dotten]

This film made me hate the Captain. For me, Tony was right and the real... Hero.
1. Because of his break with Pepper, he's really devastated. Especially after IR3. And with what's happening to Rhodes, it's normal for him to be mad.
2. Because he's trying to make the avengers stay together, and Steve is break in the team. No one can see this else from Rhodes and Vision. Plus, Clint is a real jerk.
3. Because of the story with his parents. Steve is so stupid for keeping it to himself. Soooooo stupid.

Anyway, can't wait for them to regroup one more time and see how things are going to be between Tony and the team.

Nah, Tonys point of view got shot down by Spider-Man. Telling the story that with great powers, doing nothing when something bad is happening is in fact you causing the bad thing happening.

The same argument Cap had and his reason for not signing. if something bad happens and the UN says "no", then they are in reality the cause of the bad thing (and knowing UN-history, they have a ton of cases doing nothing. Just look at Rwanda)

A nice dialogue put in there, showing us that Spider-Man, if he knew what the whole argument was about (something he does not), would support Cap.

Stark seems to understand that Spider-Man has the same viewpoint as Cap. But still sends the kid into battle, not knowing why he's even fighting it.

That's kinda *****ebag-y.

"Hey, I know this hero who completely agrees with you spidey. Now i need you to fight him for defending that view".

 

[MaatMattos]

I just want to say the airport scene was so good

 

[DSC]

Originally posted this on reddit so sorry for random formatting differences.

Every Spider-Man line:

_Peter enters apartment after school_

P: Hey Aunt May.

AM: How was school today?

P: Okay. There's this crazy car parked outside...

_Peter sees Stark and May chilling on the couch._

T: Oh, Mr. Parker.

P: Um...wha...what are you doi--....hey! um, I'm-I'm-I'm-Peter.

_shakes hands with Tony_

T: Tony.

P: what are you--what are you--what are you doin' here?

T: It's about time we met. You've been getting my E-Mails, right?

P:...yyyyyyyyeah...yeah...regarding..the...

AM: You didn't tell me about the grant?

T: September foundation. Remember when you applied?

P:.....yeah?

T: I approved! So now, we're in business. _Tony keeps gesturing to go along with it_

AM: you're keeping secrets from me now?

P: well I just know how much you love surprised, so I thought I would let you know...w..anyway what did I apply for?

T: Guess what, we already hashed it out.

P: okay..hash...hash out okay.

T: It's so hard for me to believe that she's someones Aunt.

AM: _wants Tony's dick type laughter_ we come in all shapes and size you know. (pretty sure this is a nice reference to the other two Aunt Mays.)

T: This walnut loaf is exceptional.

P: ...Let me just stop you there. Does this grant, like, got money involved..or whatever?

T: well, yea, it's pretty well funded. Look who at you're talking to. [comic reference](http://www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/spidey-money.jpg)

_Peter and Tony walk into Peter's room. Tony spits out meatloaf into trash can_

T: as walnut loafs go...that wasn't bad.

_Tony see's some tech on Peter's desk_

T: Oh, what do we have here, retro tech, huh? Salvation army?

P: uh, the are garbage actually.

T: You're a dumper diver..

P: Yeah I wa..anyway um. I definitely didn't apply for your grant.

T: Nuh uh. Me first. Quick question.

_Tony pulls up footage of Spidey swinging around NY in his red hood and goggles costume_

T: That's you...right?

P: um. no.

T: look at you go. _footage shows Spidey catching a car_

T: wow, nice catch! 3000lb. 40m/h. It's not easy. You got mad skills.

P: That's all on youtube though right. I mean that's where you found it. Cause' you know thats all fake. It's all done a computer? ..uh..It's like those videos...

T: yea yea yea yea...oh you mean like those UFOs over Phoenix? _Tony pulls the goggle costume out from the roof and Peter immediately runs to it and chucks it in his closet acting like Tony didn't see anything. Funny stuff._

T: so. You're this....Spider-...ling. Crime fighting Spider...Spider-Boy?

_and in the most adorable way ****ing possible, Peter goes_

P: I'm...S...s...Spider-Man.....

I was actually having a real good day today Mr. Stark. Didn't miss my trains. Perfectly good DVD player was just sittin' there and....Algebra test. Nailed it!

T: Who else knows? Anybody?

P: Nobody...

T: Not even your...unusually attractive Aunt?

P: No. no no no no. If she knew, she would freak out. And when she freaks out, I freak out.

T: You know what I think is really cool? This webbing. Tensile strength is off the charts. Who manufactured it?

P: I did.

T: Climbing the walls. How are you doing that? Cohesive gloves.

P: A long story. I was uh--

_Tony picks up and looks through the homemade goggles_

T: Lordy! Can you even see in these? _makes fun of him as Peter tries to take them back_

P: Yes. yes yes I can! I can see in those. Okay? It's just that...when...whatever happened happened, it's like my senses have been dialed to 11. There's way too much input so they just kinda help me focus.

T: You're in Dire need of an upgrade. Why are you doing this? I gotta know. What gets you out of that twin bed in the morning?

P: Because.......because I've been me my whole life, and I've had these powers for 6 months...and I read books, I build computers...and yea I would love to play football. But I couldn't then so I shouldn't now.

T: Sure. Cause' you're different.

P: exactly. But I can't tell anybody that so I'm not.......When you can do the things that I can, but you don't....and then the bad things happen, they happen to be evil.

T: So you wanna look out for the little guy. You wanna do your part. Make the world a better place all that, right?

P: yeah. yeah just looking out...for the little guy. that's..that's what it is.

T: You ever been to Germany?

P: No.

T: Oh you'll love it.

P: I can't go to Germany!

T: Why?

P:......I got.......homework. I'm being serious! I can't just stop out of school!

_Tony goes to open the door to spill the beans to Aunt May. Peter webs Tony's hand on the door knob._

P: Don't tell Aunt May.

T: Alright Spider-Man.

**END SCENE**

Airport scene:

T: Underoos!

_Peter lands like in trailer 2_

T: Nice job, kid!

P: Thanks! Well I could've stuck the landing a little better...it's just..the new suit..well it's nothing! Mr. Stark. It's perfect. Thank you.

T: Yea we don't really need to...start a conversation.

P: Ca...Captain. _salutes_ Big fan. I'm Spider-Man.

T: Yeah, we'll talk about it later.

P: Hey everyone.

T: Good job.

_this greatest fight scene I've ever seen in a movie ever begins_

P: Ok Mr. Stark, what should I do?

T: What we discussed. Keep your distance. Web em up.

P: Ok copy that!

_Peter stops Bucky's metal arm punch_

P: You have a metal arm? That is awesome, dude! _starts attacking flying Falcon_ You have the right to remain silent!

Hey buddy, I think you lost this! _throws a car or something right at Bucky_

_full on Spidey vs falcon/bucky. Spidey webs Falcon_

P: Are those wings carbon fibre?

F: Is this stuff (web) coming out of you?

P: That would explain the rigidity flexibility ratio which, gotta say, that's awesome man.

F: I don't know if you've been a fight before but there's usually not this much talking.

P: Alright, sorry, my bad.

_Peter webs both Falcon and Bucky to the ground_

P: Guys, look. I'd love to keep this up but I've only got one job here today and I gotta impress Mr. Stark, so, I'm really sorry.

_Redwing hits Spidey out the window_

_cut to the scene where both teams stand opposite each other. both teams begin walking towards each other for complete badassery impact._

P: They're not stopping!

_cut to Cap vs. Spidey. Cap throws shield_

P: That thing does not obey the laws of physics at all

C: Look kid. There's a lot going on here that you don't understand.

P: Stark said you'd say that. He also said to go for your legs.

C: Did Stark tell you anything else?

P: That you're wrong. You think you're right. And that makes you dangerous.

C: I guess you got a point.

_Cap makes a giant container fall on Spidey. Spidey holds it up with slight struggle, unable to move._

C: You got heart, kid. Where you from?

P: Queens.

C: Booklyn.

**Ant-Man spoiler below.**

_Ant-Man turns into Giant-Man_

P: holy..****.

hey guys. you ever see that really old movie? Empire Strikes Back? You know that part? When they're on the snow planet? with the walking thingies?

_and then you know what happens_

P: Yes! That was awesome!

_Peter's lying on the floor. knocked out_

T: Kid you alright? _Peter immediately wakes up_

P: oh my..hey man...that was scary..

T: yea..you're done. Alright? You did a good job. Stay down.

P: No I'm good. I'm fine.

T: Stay down.

P: No it's good I gotta get him back!

T: You're going home. I'll call Aunt May! You're done!

_Tony flies off_

P: no Mr. Stark wait! I'm not done...I'm not..._holds his ribs in pain..._ okay I'm done...

 

[noakai]

A lot of great points in here.

The thing with Tony- he creates his own problems half the time. IM2 villain- wronged by Starks. Avengers- Loki uses his tech to open the hole. IM3 villain became a villain after Tony humiliated him. He created Ultron!!! Behind everybody's back! Lucky accident that Vsion ended up okay...Oh, lets see in CA:WS he gave the Hydra death ships their propulsion engines. You can blame Ant-Man destruction indirectly on the Starks, since it was the Stark run SHIELD who attempted to steal Pym's formula, and drove Pym to hiding, creating conditions for Cross to come along. The Maximoffs joined Hydra to get back at Stark- so once more we can indirectly pin all the mayhem they caused--including bewitched Hulk smashing South Africa---on the Starks. Oh, and Howard fished out the tessaract. How much destruction is spared if he had left that alone? Basically the Starks are the direct or indirect cause of nearly everything that has gone bad in MCU. By rights, Tony should have been imprisoned for life.

Now let's look at Steve's history. Government turns him into a super soldier...and then has him selling bonds? Has Fury hiding things in Avengers, seees government try to nuke NYC. Works for ShIELD anyways, only to find its been infilitrated by HYDRA. He stops plot only to have US congress blame him. Trusts his Avenger buddies only to have 2 of them create a death robot.
If anything, Steve is being generous when he says "the safest hands are still OUR own" Without mincing words, it should read "the safest hands are still MY own"

Cap has every reason to not trust governments, but to be trusted by the world. And the knuckleheads that brought Abomination and Ultron have the chutzpah to tell him him bow to their authority. No. Steve Rogers is not the world's problem.

#TEAMCAP

How in the world is stuff that Howard did, a lot of it before Tony was even born, Tony's fault? The tesseract, Vanko, all of that was Howard. Is the SHIELD/HYDRA stuff also Peggy's fault then, since she helped found it? And people stealing his tech doesn't make him responsible for what they do with it. The weapons that killed Wanda's family were probably part of the batches Obadaih Stane was selling, and even if they weren't, that's on the US government, not Tony. It could have been anyone's missile, Tony's were just the best. The only thing in this list that can be blamed on Tony at all is Ultron, and he had a lot of help doing that, and IM3. I don't mind people blaming Ultron on him since he absolutely had a hand in it, but he's not responsible for stuff his father or SHIELD did or stuff people did with his tech that he didn't even know about.

 

[Chatote]

How in the world is stuff that Howard did, a lot of it before Tony was even born, Tony's fault? The tesseract, Vanko, all of that was Howard. Is the SHIELD/HYDRA stuff also Peggy's fault then, since she helped found it? And people stealing his tech doesn't make him responsible for what they do with it. The weapons that killed Wanda's family were probably part of the batches Obadaih Stane was selling, and even if they weren't, that's on the US government, not Tony. It could have been anyone's missile, Tony's were just the best. The only thing in this list that can be blamed on Tony at all is Ultron, and he had a lot of help doing that. I don't mind people blaming that on him since he absolutely had a hand in it, but he's not responsible for stuff his father or SHIELD did or stuff people did with his tech that he didn't even know about.

Just want to add that Wanda had a lot to do with Ultron's birth. Who knows how it would've been without Stark's vision. Just imagine how desperate he was becaus of her.

 

[☆OldGrey-Man☆]

"Played a round of golf, scored 18"

One of the great quotes

 

[Herolee10]

So which film would you guys say has the most bittersweet ending between "The Dark Knight" and this film?

 

[yllum]

just saw the film.

2 pts I dont understand.

1. the remaining 5 winter soldiers are deactivated? or dead? Do they respond to the same password as bucky?

2. am I right to say howard stark had invented an soldier serum even more potent than the one steve had. They seems so much stronger than bucky or Steve.

 

[Drz]

just saw the film.

2 pts I dont understand.

1. the remaining 5 winter soldiers are deactivated? or dead? Do they respond to the same password as bucky?

2. am I right to say howard stark had invented an soldier serum even more potent than the one steve had. They seems so much stronger than bucky or Steve.

Zemo shot them in the head.

Your assumptil on the serum is probably correct.

 

[Voltron]

Finally got to see this. Luckily I didn't watch all the trailers and tv spots because you can piece together the movie.

Good movie.

Bird costume, can you push your seat forward, Sam/Bucky both nodding their heads were the funniest moments for me.

 

[Voltron]

just saw the film.

2 pts I dont understand.

1. the remaining 5 winter soldiers are deactivated? or dead? Do they respond to the same password as bucky?

2. am I right to say howard stark had invented an soldier serum even more potent than the one steve had. They seems so much stronger than bucky or Steve.

The 5 winter soldiers were shot in the forehead dead by Zemo.

Yes Howard invented a more potent super soldier serum.

 

[Solaire]

Just want to add that Wanda had a lot to do with Ultron's birth. Who knows how it would've been without Stark's vision. Just imagine how desperate he was becaus of her.

I always found it weird people usually only blame Stark for Ultron. Scarlet Witch played a huge part in it as well as Bruce Banner.

 

[jmc]

So which film would you guys say has the most bittersweet ending between "The Dark Knight" and this film?

I still say TDK because it was an act of sacrifice.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

So which film would you guys say has the most bittersweet ending between "The Dark Knight" and this film?

CW. In TDK Batman did manage to "win" even at great cost. With CW it just feels like everyone lost.

 

[jmc]

Batman didn't win, he took a bullet.