Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 2

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I don't think anyone answered my question from earlier or eat least I cannot locate it.

1. Was there is any new cool tech introduced int he movie, like on Stark's suit or in general.

2. How crazy does Bucky seem, is he coherent, or does he drift off sometimes with flashbacks? Does he seem stable or at times does he come off as he is not really 'present' while with Steve and the other team cap members?
 
I don't think anyone answered my question from earlier or eat least I cannot locate it.

1. Was there is any new cool tech introduced int he movie, like on Stark's suit or in general.

2. How crazy does Bucky seem, is he coherent, or does he drift off sometimes with flashbacks? Does he seem stable or at times does he come off as he is not really 'present' while with Steve and the other team cap members?

1. Nope, no new gadgets. Mostly modifications to War Machine, add-ons for Falcon and Hawkeye etc.

2. Bucky's fine once he got rescued by Steve and rendezvoused with the renegade team of Avengers. I got the impression that he's basically free of the brainwashing unless whatever is uttered to trigger the mechanism. I would also say most of what he did in the latter half of the film was out of volition.
 
When antman turned back to normal and said anyone have any orange slices? Is that a reference or inside joke? No idea what that meant.
 
Is there a way to get a better look at the homemade Spidey-suit now that the movie's out? I'm not asking for bootleg images from the movie, just wondering if there's any pics from merchandise or promotion that have come out? I really wish we'd got a better look at it.
 
When antman turned back to normal and said anyone have any orange slices? Is that a reference or inside joke? No idea what that meant.

Probably because he felt nauseous after the whole experience? Orange slices will perk him up I guess.
 
1. Nope, no new gadgets. Mostly modifications to War Machine, add-ons for Falcon and Hawkeye etc.

2. Bucky's fine once he got rescued by Steve and rendezvoused with the renegade team of Avengers. I got the impression that he's basically free of the brainwashing unless whatever is uttered to trigger the mechanism. I would also say most of what he did in the latter half of the film was out of volition.

Thanks!
 
just saw the film.

2 pts I dont understand.

1. the remaining 5 winter soldiers are deactivated? or dead? Do they respond to the same password as bucky?

2. am I right to say howard stark had invented an soldier serum even more potent than the one steve had. They seems so much stronger than bucky or Steve.

Stronger than Bucky not necessarily Steve who also beat Bucky. It could have also been far more unstable like what eventually happened to Abomination.

In the comics it seems everyone is always trying to re-invent the serum and sometimes it looks successful and then it either breaks down or drives the person crazy etc. And the subject matters as Erskine explained to Steve since it emphasizes what's inside the man or woman.
 
Just got back from watching. What a disappointment.

They might as well call this "Captain America: The Winter Soldier Part 2" since basically the whole premise focus on Bucky instead on the Civil War theme.

Movie would have been better if they got rid of the whole "Bucky" storyline and focus on the Civil War Story.


And I was disappointed that in the end, the reason that got IronMan to fight Cap and Bucky was because Bucky killed Tony's parents and not because of the Civil War theme.
 
Like I mentioned, the final fight.... it would have been better if the motivation for Tony to fight Bucky/Cap was due to their different idealogy (Tony wanting to sign the document and be under the control of the government but Bucky and Cap don't want to be under the control of the government)

And since I'm on team Cap, I didn't like the ending...because Cap's team lost and now they become outlaws/fugitives while Tony's team is under the control of the government.
 
Just watched it in Australia, and damn...this movie was something special. It's my personal favourite of the MCU films, and sits comfortably above IM1, TWS, GOTG and A1. I have some minor nitpicks (the score was a bit underwhelming, and some of the CGI was a bit too obvious in a couple of shots/scenes), but everything else was top notch.

Some random thoughts:

- The airport scene alone had me grinning throughout its entirety, and surpasses the SM2 train fight, X2 White House attack, and TWS highway battle as the best comic book action sequence. The other action scenes are all great as well (Rumlow in Lagos, Rogers & Bucky vs German police & Black Panther, Bucky vs Carter, Romanoff & Stark).

- The characters are all wonderfully portrayed, and every hero gets their moment throughout the course of the film. Ant-Man going inside Iron Man's armor, Wanda incapacitating Vision, Spiderman taking on Bucky and Wilson, and there's a lot more but I can't remember all of them.

- Unlike a lot of prior MCU films where the third act is just a bombastic, CGI-fest, the third act in CW is gut-wrenching and personal. When Stark finds out the truth about his parents, it's an 'oh ****' moment because up to that point, it looked like Stark, Bucky and Rogers were all on the same side again. It's my favourite third act out of all the MCU films because there's an emotional weight to the fighting. We've seen Rogers in previous films kick ass, but this is the first time we've seen him really tear into an opponent. And it's absolutely brutal how Rogers rips into Iron Man towards the end of the fight.

- The humor is great, and while there's the occasional quip, it's a lot less forced compared to A1 and AoU.

- The first half may be a bit slow for some, but I liked how it setup the characters and their motivations. And there is action sprinkled in the first half, so it's not like it's a complete bore.

It's definitely worth watching a second, or even third time because there's so much to take in.
 
@ jed

I can understand your point - the whole "Zemo-story" is unnecessary!

But, i asked myself (in the bunker) "how will they now setup the fight" - and bingo...

I think, it worked...

But you are right - the story is much to complex... and more a "Bucky" story than a "Civil War" story...
 
@ jed

And...

Cap could have killed Iron Man at the end - it is a personal victory!
 
Wow, totally disagree with everything Jed. Them fighting over what Bucky did made a lot more sense to me. It was personal and it was real. We wouldn't get a fight like that if they were simply fighting because of opposing ideologies. They never really fought to really kill each other the whole film, you saw that in the airport scene where Hawkeye is pulling his punches.
 
@ jed

I can understand your point - the whole "Zemo-story" is unnecessary!

But, i asked myself (in the bunker) "how will they now setup the fight" - and bingo...

I think, it worked...

But you are right - the story is much to complex... and more a "Bucky" story than a "Civil War" story...


Thanks for your input.
 
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Wow, totally disagree with everything Jed. Them fighting over what Bucky did made a lot more sense to me. It was personal and it was real. We wouldn't get a fight like that if they were simply fighting because of opposing ideologies. They never really fought to really kill each other the whole film, you saw that in the airport scene where Hawkeye is pulling his punches.


But Bucky was brainwashed. It's not like he really wants to kill Tony's parents.

So why should Tony be so mad at Bucky?
 
And seriously, Wanda's powers is not telekinesis. They got it wrong in "Age of Ultron" and they got it wrong again in this movie.

Wanda's powers is hexes,spells and chaos and alter probability.


Anyway, Wana should have been on Team Iron Man, since she feels guilty and is responsible for the innocent deaths in Nigeria.

And Black Widow should have been on Team Cap.

But then Tony's team will be too powerful because it has Vision and Wanda.

I think they put Wanda in Team Cap just to even out both teams, otherwise Cap Team will be too weak.
 
1. Nope, no new gadgets. Mostly modifications to War Machine, add-ons for Falcon and Hawkeye etc.

Tony did have that wristwatch-gauntlet thing he uses to briefly engage Bucky at the Anti-Terror base, which I think kinda counts as a "new" gadget.
 
But Bucky was brainwashed. It's not like he really wants to kill Tony's parents.

So why should Tony be so mad at Bucky?

Are you serious? He loved his parents and more importantly his mom. He thought they died in a car accident. He just watched them get brutally murdered by the guy right next to him with his good friend knowing it all but hiding it from him. Honestly, I think everyone but Steve would react the way Tony did.
 
Are you serious? He loved his parents and more importantly his mom. He thought they died in a car accident. He just watched them get brutally murdered by the guy right next to him with his good friend knowing it all but hiding it from him. Honestly, I think everyone but Steve would react the way Tony did.

Bingo.

Tony was already acting pretty forgiving about the trying to shoot him the face while brainwashed incident. That video of his parents murders that was so brutal what other human reaction could there be? Tony is not the Dalai lama. Even Steve Rogers might have snapped if there was video of Bucky strangling his beloved mother to death.

T'Challa was out for blood after his father was killed for more than half the movie and that was only tempered when he realized his rage would have caused him to kill the wrong man.
 
And seriously, Wanda's powers is not telekinesis. They got it wrong in "Age of Ultron" and they got it wrong again in this movie.

Wanda's powers is hexes,spells and chaos and alter probability.

The MCU is not the comics and I wish people would fully understand that. Her power can be whatever the powers that be want them to be.

Also, Tony is fully justified in his rage. I don't see how that's debatable honestly. I wasn't Team Iron Man but you do have to feel for Tony because what he thought was true was not and a person who was his friend knew and didn't tell him. That was not a good move by Cap.
 
The MCU is not the comics and I wish people would fully understand that. Her power can be whatever the powers that be want them to be.

Also, Tony is fully justified in his rage. I don't see how that's debatable honestly. I wasn't Team Iron Man but you do have to feel for Tony because what he thought was true was not and a person who was his friend knew and didn't tell him. That was not a good move by Cap.

By the end of the film, even Cap himself acknowledged that hiding the truth about the death of Tony's parents was an incredibly dubious move on his part.
 
Are you serious? He loved his parents and more importantly his mom. He thought they died in a car accident. He just watched them get brutally murdered by the guy right next to him with his good friend knowing it all but hiding it from him. Honestly, I think everyone but Steve would react the way Tony did.


Okay. You have a point.
 
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