Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.! - Part 2

[Best]

He had more to say than I expected from some of the early reactions. Like that scene in the raft with Tony which I enjoyed.

 

[Best]

No, but seemed like the scene would have been ripe for a reshoot with a different actress.

Someone like Woodard, dunno.

 

[Hulk Power]

Guess Bucky in Wakanda, also pretty much confirms that he'll get an arm made out vibranium. Maybe including some nifty toys. What's Bucky's arm like in the comics?

Its a lot stronger than in the movies (obviously). It can also send out EMPs and electric shocks. Bucky can also detach it and then make it return to him. At times it used holographic imagery and other times artificial skin and at times together to make it look like a normal arm

 

[Enriquespy]

how did he know howard stark personally?

Don't know, but he recognised Barnes too.

 

[Hulk Power]

This time it was out of Marvel's... Or the film division's hands. Besides the fact that they got to her first. It's OK either way, very tiny scene.

Also I'm genuinely shocked at how well (or much better) Hawkeye was used in this film. Seriously, this was probably the best out of his 3 appearances despite possibly being the smallest.

Hawk vs Vision was hilarious

 

[marshal99]

Hawk vs Vision was hilarious

To be fair , vision vs hawkeye was always going to be one sided although hawk probably thought his electro net arrows could delay vision longer. Wanda using her magic to change his density was a good way to stop him for a while.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

That scene was awesome, Vision needed more action tbh

 

[dyl1dyl]

That scene was awesome, Vision needed more action tbh

Yeah, I'd have liked to see some more action between him and Scarlet Witch during the airport fight

 

[Wylie Times]

This is the first time I can honestly say War Machine was used decently in a Marvel film. He was the butt of any unnecessary jokes, he had a few cool scenes, you get more insight as to who he is as a person, they even did a better job of showing him and Tony as genuine friends.

It sucks that he was hurt but overall they handed the character MUCH better than they typically do.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Rhodey was well used but War Machine could have done more during the battle. Although I loved the part when Giant Man throws a truck at him or something and he starts shooting it and blows it up, I guess is harder to give him stuff to do 'cause they can't have him shooting everyone lol

 

[Wylie Times]

Rhodey was well used but War Machine could have done more during the battle. Although I loved the part when Giant Man throws a truck at him or something and he starts shooting it and blows it up, I guess is harder to give him stuff to do 'cause they can't have him shooting everyone lol

I think that was specifically why they gave him that Baton.

I also have to say I'm not sure why some people are saying Panther is mostly just a skilled fighter. He's CLEARLY at the same level as Cap. There were at least 3 occasions where he would have killed Bucky if not for someone else intervening. He also overpowered Bucky's metal arm at one point.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I think that was specifically why they gave him that Baton.

I also have to say I'm not sure why some people are saying Panther is mostly just a skilled fighter. He's CLEARLY at the same level as Cap. There were at least 3 occasions where he would have killed Bucky if not for someone else intervening. He also overpowered Bucky's metal arm at one point.

Yeah that was pretty obvious in the film. Although one of my friends who's only actually watched the IM films was confused that "these men are outrunning cars", and I had to explain the concept of a supersoldier to them.

That being said I couldn't explain the source of Panther's powers (in the MCU anyway) - just that it was clear he had Cap's power levels.

 

[Nathan]

Yeah, I'd have liked to see some more action between him and Scarlet Witch during the airport fight

Actually glad we didn't. Vision wouldn't do anything to hurt Wanda. Overall I'm happy he barely participated in the fight, and was more concerned with preventing and serious harm to anyone involved.

 

[Wylie Times]

Yeah that was pretty obvious in the film. Although one of my friends who's only actually watched the IM films was confused that "these men are outrunning cars", and I had to explain the concept of a supersoldier to them.

That being said I couldn't explain the source of Panther's powers (in the MCU anyway) - just that it was clear he had Cap's power levels.

Yeah, they're pretty much saving that for his solo film. The closest we got to a hint of how he gets his powers was him mentioning Bast and Sekhmet.

I wasn't sure how I felt about T'Chaka at first because the guy in this film has a wise grandfatherly vibe to him and in the comic T'Chaka is usually depicted like a take no nonsense defend Wakanda at all cost warrior king. I had to remind myself that this version of T'Chaka is older than any we've ever seen before so it makes sense for him to be a bit more mellow and less standoffish.

They did a great job of showing how much love and respect T'Challa had for his father in the very brief moment we got between the two.

Another stand out for the film was Falcon. I was not expecting him to be that formidable in this film.

 

[JMLZ]

It was mostly an unfair fight on Caps part because Bucky was helping.

I don't agree with this. Despite the 2 on 1 situation, Iron Man still overpowered both of them, and it could be argued that he was holding back since he wasn't trying to kill Steve. He spent most of the fight swatting Steve away so he could concentrate on wasting Barnes.

 

[marshal99]

Iron man was winning , steve was wobbling and on his last legs before bucky gave him a opening when he tried to interfere and stark stomp on him giving steve the chance to grab him and lift him up and slam him down.

 

[Wylie Times]

I don't agree with this. Despite the 2 on 1 situation, Iron Man still overpowered both of them, and it could be argued that he was holding back since he wasn't trying to kill Steve. He spent most of the fight swatting Steve away so he could concentrate on wasting Barnes.

Yup, they also had to strategically damage parts of his armor just to stand a chance. Even at the end of the fight Steve only gets the upper hand because Bucky distracts Tony.

They damaged repulsors on Tony's arm and leg, the armor was also damaged when part fo the building fell on it, Steve even directed one of Tony's repulsor blasts back at him with his shield.

 

[Probotector]

Rhodey was well used but War Machine could have done more during the battle. Although I loved the part when Giant Man throws a truck at him or something and he starts shooting it and blows it up, I guess is harder to give him stuff to do 'cause they can't have him shooting everyone lol

war Machine actually subdues Wanda. She had turned around to stop debris falling on Cap and Bucky but he still incapacitated her with the sonic thing he used. He ended up doing more than IM during the airport battle actually.

 

[Chesterfield]

This time it was out of Marvel's... Or the film division's hands. Besides the fact that they got to her first. It's OK either way, very tiny scene.

Also I'm genuinely shocked at how well (or much better) Hawkeye was used in this film. Seriously, this was probably the best out of his 3 appearances despite possibly being the smallest.

Yeah, Sans Thor Clint's screen time in this film was the least but he was infinitely better and more interesting and even badass more so than his previous outings.

 

[dyl1dyl]

Actually glad we didn't. Vision wouldn't do anything to hurt Wanda. Overall I'm happy he barely participated in the fight, and was more concerned with preventing and serious harm to anyone involved.

Yup, i agree, he wouldn't. But it'd have been nice to see a bit of combat. Maybe just countering each other's powers. For example, when Scarlet Witch throws Black Panther, Vision could catch him and throw Panther back at Bucky. Haha, just an idea

 

[JMLZ]

Do you guys think it was a mistake for winter soldier to reveal that WS killed Tony's parents?

No.

Zola revealed to Steve that Hydra used the Winter Soldier to kill the Starks. Later on during the highway brawl, Steve discovers that the Winter Soldier is Barnes.
Zola's reveal to Steve helped elevate the tension between Tony and Steve during this film:

"Don't b******* me Rogers. Did you know?"

 

[Chesterfield]

I think that was specifically why they gave him that Baton.

I also have to say I'm not sure why some people are saying Panther is mostly just a skilled fighter. He's CLEARLY at the same level as Cap. There were at least 3 occasions where he would have killed Bucky if not for someone else intervening. He also overpowered Bucky's metal arm at one point.

I mentioned this in a previous post. By nature, T'Challa is an impossibly skilled fighter and athlete but he's definitely also super powered , which I'm sure will be touched upon in his solo film. That stairwell fight after T'Challa lands in front of him showed T'C without his BP suit overpowering Bucky, his arm and physically besting him and after kicking him off the ledge, T'C jumps down from an ordinarily bone-crushing or fatal height as if he jumped off a kids chair.

 

[Solaire]

Someone on another forum I post on said it was all pointless in the end because "everyone seemed fine with everyone again" also no one died. That the conflict should've have continued instead of it being resolved.

I'm not gonna say that he movie is too deep for some to get but how do you come to that conclusion at the end of the film. Half the Avengers are on the run and fugitives, the relationship between Cap and Tony has been hurt badly and the accords from everything I've seen is still a thing. Scarlet Witch accidentally causing civilians to die is what kickstarted countries wanting the Accords.

 

[JMLZ]

I do acknowledge what you're trying to say, but it is simply undeniable that Zemo's plot makes no sense.

Zemo's plot: Get Cap and Tony in a room, show them the video and they fight to the death. That's laughable on every level.

And you see it in the delivery. Tony asks Cap if he knew. If Caps say no, then nothing happens. Cap says he does know and hid it from him from good reason - OK death match then. It's really bad scripting.

Zemo's goal was to destroy the Avengers. You don't need to get them to kill each other to do that. You just need to sow seeds of distrust, and get them to break up. He successfully did that by showing Tony what really happened to his parents, along with the subsequent reveal that Cap knew all along but hid the truth from him.

Tony's issues about his parents' deaths are public knowledge. Earlier in the film he came right out and said so to a crowd of students during his technology presentation.

As far as I'm concerned, Zemo considers Tony's getting blood-lusted after finding out the truth to be a welcome bonus.

That's not bad writing at all.

 

[Shadow Moses]

Someone on another forum I post on said it was all pointless in the end because "everyone seemed fine with everyone again" also no one died. That the conflict should've have continued instead of it being resolved.

I'm not gonna say that he movie is too deep for some to get but how do you come to that conclusion at the end of the film. Half the Avengers are on the run and fugitives, the relationship between Cap and Tony has been hurt badly and the accords from everything I've seen is still a thing. Scarlet Witch accidentally causing civilians to die is what kickstarted countries wanting the Accords.

Just saw it for the 3rd time today and I agree with the other guy that it was all pointless because they indeed all get back to normal. The letter to Tony at the end pretty much gave it all a clean slate. Hell, Tony even looked at the phone after reading the letter before cutting away from that scene.