The Clinton Thread II - Part 3

[MagnarTheGreat]

She may lead the national popular vote (tied at 47.6% as I post this) when all of California is in but has lost the electoral college which also rewards geography. This happened 16 years ago in 2000 with Bush vs. Gore.



I like Clinton, she was the leader the country needed to continue into the 21st century not the 20th century, but no doubt she underperformed expectations a bit in the electorate, as did Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate.

Comey and Putin have the last laugh with Trump.

 

[terry78]

When you can't even beat Donald Trump, I don't know.

 

[Dark Raven]

Will there ever be a woman president now?

Not only is there not a woman president, but it's gone in favour of the most misogynistic and sexist candidate one could've hoped to have had. So it's like America truly doesn't want a woman at the helm, and not even a man who would be sympathetic to women.

 

[Hotwire]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=33000513&postcount=492

Sweet sweet vindication. Better put Hillary Clinton on suicide watch now.

You better own every bulls*** thing he does!

 

[Erzengel]

Honestly, I don't feel we weren't ready for a female president, just not Hillary.

 

[terry78]

She had a lot of baggage, that's honestly part of it. Had she not been well....a Clinton, it probably would have fared better.

 

[Dark Raven]

Well Supergirl went in the opposite direction to this election. There seems to have just been an election there in that series, and they elected a female president (in the form of Lynda Carter) but Kara said "I can't believe some people actually voted for the other guy" or something to that effect, which was a dig at Trump.

But it's like we're living in a Flashpoint alternate timeline where "the other guy" actually won.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Michelle Obama in 2020

It's just four years. Although trends in the past 20 years show people would rather stick with the president they elected for 8

 

[Raiden]

Honestly, I don't feel we weren't ready for a female president, just not Hillary.

And why not Hillary? Just because of her emails? And she will win the popular votes which means the voters were ready for her, but due to the Electoral college Trump got elected instead.

 

[Dark Raven]

Michelle Obama in 2020

It's just four years. Although trends in the past 20 years show people would rather stick with the president they elected for 8

But maybe it's just been because of their opponents at the time who didn't seem a better option or were less charismatic. Bill Clinton probably seemed a more charismatic figure than George Bush Sr, which could partly explain why the latter was only a one-term president. And wasn't it Dole against Clinton afterwards?

Afterwards, I don't know who was more popular out of W and John Kerry.

But then Obama probably seemed more charismatic against Romney.

I'd say it would depend on how popular the candidate is running against Trump. Maybe Michelle Obama could be. She seems more popular than Barrack. If they got a woman who was younger than Clinton and cleaner, and was also relatively attractive, she could be more popular than Trump. Of course, he might try to grab her by the *****.

 

[Erzengel]

I understand the popular vote has been split however I think it was a combination of things.

Trust me, I'm not doing backflips over Trump winning but to make it out like Hillary was as beloved as Obama in 2008? That was even talked about when it was Obama vs. Clinton in the primaries and Obama remaked "You're likeable enough." Not just over the e-mails, this is stuff that I hear all the time, the constant scandals (Whitewater, Clinton Foundation, Benghazi), supporting a philandering husband?

I don't think that's the only reason, I think the Obamacare premiums being raised next year came out at a bad time.

Also, I think a lot of people were a little tired of being told by the media, social pressures and celebrities who to vote for.

Personally, I think Biden or even Sanders could have won against Trump but the DNC backed the wrong person.

 

[Fenrir]

You better own every bulls*** thing he does!

I'm no Trump supporter, I just hate Hillary more. Too bad it took the entire country sinking into the abyss, but hey we deserve s**tty leaders when these two are the best choices we can come up with.

 

[Fenrir]

Personally, I think Biden or even Sanders could have won against Trump but the DNC backed the wrong person.

Bingo. There was no other candidate in the entire democratic party with more baggage than Hillary Clinton yet they still went with her despite all the populist fervor for Sanders. Guess what? It's the populist candidate that ultimately ended up winning. Imagine just how unpopular Clinton is with American voters that she couldn't even beat an orangutan like Donald f**kin' Trump. Don't tell me the DNC didn't see the signs months ago. They simply buried their head in the sand and are now paying the price for it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The country is was not sinking into the abyss and it's inaccurate thinking like that, that has got us to here.

 

[Erzengel]

I also think that she should have at least spoke last night especially to her supporters who stayed the entire time at the Javitz Center.

 

[Spider-Who?]

And why not Hillary? Just because of her emails? And she will win the popular votes which means the voters were ready for her, but due to the Electoral college Trump got elected instead.

It's not just the emails. That was just the straw that broke the camel's back. She has 30 years of lies, corruption, and failed policy behind her. She is the poster child for everything wrong in Washington. People voted for a jackass like Trump not because they're bigots, but because they think her baggage is worse. We'll have a female president in our life time.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

It's not just the emails. That was just the straw that broke the camel's back. She has 30 years of lies, corruption, and failed policy behind her. She is the poster child for everything wrong in Washington. People voted for a jackass like Trump not because they're bigots, but because they think her baggage is worse. We'll have a female president in our life time.

This is right. She's the epitome of what's wrong in Washington. Pay to play politics. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary because he was the only person talking about America's #1 problem. Campaign Finance. He was ultimately done in by shady campaign finance. All of the scandals, real or not, just reinforce the idea that she is the agent for the status quo.

Trump got Obama's "change" votes. Trump was the agent of change in this election just as Obama was 8 years ago. You don't have a under 10% congressional approval and then nominate the epitome of Congress. That's what the Democrats did and that's why the lost to anyone, even a cartoon character like Donald Trump.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Ugh

 

[Fenrir]

The country is was not sinking into the abyss and it's inaccurate thinking like that, that has got us to here.

No, what got us here was the political establishment (and the people who support it) not realizing that fact. The Republicans got steamrolled by it so there was nothing they could really do to stop that in spite of the protests by their party big-wigs, whereas the Democrats had a chance to push a populist of their own with far more integrity than the GOP renegade that was Trump and they blew it. People all around the world are completely fed up with the status quo, which is why established political incumbents are getting crushed by outsiders and ultra-nationalists left and right (pun intended). This happened in India with Narendra Modi. It happened in the Philippines with Rodrigo Duterte. It happened in the UK with Nigel Farage and Brexit. I could go on and on. The time of 'pragmatic' centrism is now proven well and truly dead. Welcome to the asylum.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The right is fooling itself though. Trump may be an outsider, but he has no experience governing. He is going to appoint establishment people to every major position. The only thing different is that this administration will be much more antagonistic to minorities.

 

[Hotwire]

I'm no Trump supporter, I just hate Hillary more. Too bad it took the entire country sinking into the abyss, but hey we deserve s**tty leaders when these two are the best choices we can come up with.

If you voted him in, you own the mess he makes. That's how it works.

 

[Fenrir]

If you voted him in, you own the mess he makes. That's how it works.

Of course. Good thing I didn't vote at all. Not after the kind of s**t the DNC pulled in the primaries to push Hillary down our throat.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, at least she's gone. For good.

 

[Kelly]

And why not Hillary? Just because of her emails? And she will win the popular votes which means the voters were ready for her, but due to the Electoral college Trump got elected instead.

You have to look at the demographics of this...

Yes, you have 1 group (and had that group been alone, Clinton would be President) that group is the White, Male/Female rural, suburban vote that has never voted before (hence why they were not counted in all of these polls), they came out of nowhere in the states that Trump needed, in just the amount of votes to push the electoral count his way). *shrugs shoulder* who knew?

But, the 3 demographics that were forgotten by the CLINTON CAMPAIGN, and one of those WAS NOT FORGOTTEN by the Trump campaign at just the right time? is what won this election for Trump.

Group #1: Bernie supporters, the Clinton campaign never gave them a second look, they thought they would follow the party line. THESE WERE YOUNG, COLLEGE EDUCATED 20 AND 30 SOMETHINGS, they don't follow, they walk beside, and the Clinton Campaign left them behind. They did not vote....

Group #2: Those that came out in huge amounts for the Obama Coalition, the black, urban voters of the "Blue Wall States"...the Clinton campaign paid them little attention. They did not vote....

Group #3: White, blue collar union workers of the rust belt, the Clinton Campaign paid them little attention, and Trump at the right moment DID, stayed on point, and got just enough of that normally SOLID DEMOCRAT VOTE to turn his way....

You take those that did not vote at all (but voted for Obama), and those that normally vote Democrat (voted for Obama) but went for Trump this go around because of jobs lost and Clinton did not seem to care.... and add those to this crazy new voter from rural, white Suburban America, and you have a narrow win by someone like Trump.

 

[Fenrir]

The right is fooling itself though. Trump may be an outsider, but he has no experience governing. He is going to appoint establishment people to every major position. The only thing different is that this administration will be much more antagonistic to minorities.

No kidding. Trump's election will only embolden the racists and the xenophobes even more and we're going to see a dramatic surge in hate crimes in the following months. It is a bad time to be a Latino or a Muslim in the U.S right now.