The Clinton Thread II - Part 3

[idiot09]

Clinton above in the national popular vote count +0.2 currently. California 68% accounted for.

as an uninformed person,why does this matter?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It doesn't matter. Hence why she isn't the president.

 

[Kelly]

as an uninformed person,why does this matter?

It doesn't.....some are becoming like the fans of a show that is about to be cancelled and they are looking at all of the data, except the data that actually matters. In this case, the electoral vote, in the case of cancelled shows, the 18-49 demographic same day live viewing ratings.

 

[DeadPresident]

I only hope Trump is full of bluster and hot air and is not as bad as he makes himself appear. It might not be the best hope, but its the only hope I have left.

I pray that you're right.

The grave mistake of people like Fenrir is that they think American liberty and respect for the constitution and sanctity of all citizens is some kind of innate truth - it isn't. Individuals and institutions protect America's liberty. Donald Trump now has control over all the decision making institutions and he can erode America's liberties at will.

An American's freedom isn't guaranteed as some universal truth, it is protected through vigilant democratic participation. The Hispanic and Muslim and Asian immigrants who escaped oppressive regimes for the safe haven of the USA did their part to try and defend that liberty and a bunch of passive fools who grew apathetic with their constitutional privileges may yet have to learn what they're worth, again.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I have a feeling Pence will be the real President and Trump will do almost nothing.

So what do think will happen to Hillary now? The Clinton machine turned out to be a dud and the Dems need to start from scratch.

My feeling is that the VP will (thankfully) continue to be irrelevant to the US government. The presidency will likely be a staff-run operation, which isn't 100% unheard of in US history.

 

[Fenrir]

So you're effectively completely devoid of any compassion or sense of self preservation? If Trump decides to start stacking undesirables on funeral pyres by the mllions those who stood idly by have no complicity? And you're just going to fall in line, or be dealt with yourself?

Nihilists aren't very good people to invovle in political discourse then if they're fine seeing the world go to hell in a little rubber boat. And all for some perceived sense of self righteous virtue? That sounds pathetically juvenile.

You just have a serious penchant for punishment if you're willing to endure the ills of a Trump presidency just to "prove a point" or satisfy some sense of morality.

So being right is more important than the country's well-being??

good good.

There comes a time when one becomes sick and tired of choosing the lesser evil for the "greater good". Doing so only elongates your downward spiral, it doesn't prevent it and absolutely nothing gets improved or fixed in the process. I'd rather have a quick and painful death than to have to endure years of agony and suffering. And once those who voted for Trump see the consequences of their actions, it'll serve as a much need wake-up call for many who fell for his rhetoric and empty promises.

 

[Thundercrack85]

In a way this is good news, since Clinton and her cronies have all been disgraced. Good riddance.

 

[Donner]

There comes a time when one becomes sick and tired of choosing the lesser evil for the "greater good". Doing so only elongates your downward spiral, it doesn't prevent it and absolutely nothing gets improved or fixed in the process. I'd rather have a quick and painful death than to have to endure years of agony and suffering. And once those who voted for Trump see the consequences of their actions, it'll serve as a much need wake-up call for many who fell for his rhetoric and empty promises.

You assume people will see the consequences of their actions. They didn't with Bush. He scared them into voting him into office again. People hold on to their beliefs with more fervor as evidence piles up against them. It won't be Trump's fault, whatever he does. It will be the "Other's" fault.

If you want to fix something, you have to do something about it. You're on the Titanic like everyone else. Your lack of voting won't stop you from going down with the ship. Being right won't matter.

 

[DeadPresident]

There comes a time when one becomes sick and tired of choosing the lesser evil for the "greater good". Doing so only elongates your downward spiral, it doesn't prevent it and absolutely nothing gets improved or fixed in the process. I'd rather have a quick and painful death than to have to endure years of agony and suffering. And once those who voted for Trump see the consequences of their actions, it'll serve as a much need wake-up call for many who fell for his rhetoric and empty promises.

You're like a fat Roman emperor who has grown fat and apathetic off what he perceives to be granted and abundant decadence. Some people may have their deaths, and it'll be down to political non-participants like you that that eventuality may arise.

Only a supremely ignorant person could look at the absolute luxury that Americans actually enjoy and call it the lesser of two evils. You must have zero ability to contextualize anything when you think the civility of the USA isn't a rare and valuable trait.

 

[Legendver2]

Her concession speech was kinda depressing.

 

[samsnee]

What did you expect it to be? Everyone is still in shock.

 

[Erzengel]

I know how difficult it was for her but she should have done that speech early this morning.

 

[samsnee]

What difference would it have made

 

[Erzengel]

To the people who worked hard and set up the event? To the thousands of people who attended and waited there the entire night to see her?

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

You have to look at the demographics of this...

Yes, you have 1 group (and had that group been alone, Clinton would be President) that group is the White, Male/Female rural, suburban vote that has never voted before (hence why they were not counted in all of these polls), they came out of nowhere in the states that Trump needed, in just the amount of votes to push the electoral count his way). *shrugs shoulder* who knew?

But, the 3 demographics that were forgotten by the CLINTON CAMPAIGN, and one of those WAS NOT FORGOTTEN by the Trump campaign at just the right time? is what won this election for Trump.

Group #1: Bernie supporters, the Clinton campaign never gave them a second look, they thought they would follow the party line. THESE WERE YOUNG, COLLEGE EDUCATED 20 AND 30 SOMETHINGS, they don't follow, they walk beside, and the Clinton Campaign left them behind. They did not vote....

Group #2: Those that came out in huge amounts for the Obama Coalition, the black, urban voters of the "Blue Wall States"...the Clinton campaign paid them little attention. They did not vote....

Group #3: White, blue collar union workers of the rust belt, the Clinton Campaign paid them little attention, and Trump at the right moment DID, stayed on point, and got just enough of that normally SOLID DEMOCRAT VOTE to turn his way....

You take those that did not vote at all (but voted for Obama), and those that normally vote Democrat (voted for Obama) but went for Trump this go around because of jobs lost and Clinton did not seem to care.... and add those to this crazy new voter from rural, white Suburban America, and you have a narrow win by someone like Trump.

Fair points, although you're confusing rural areas with suburbs a bit. Suburbs typically held true to form in this election just not with as big as margin. Rural turnout was where HRC got clobbered moreso than usual.

Suburban: A residential area on the outskirts of a city. Suburban areas have lower population density than inner city neighborhoods. Suburban areas are dense to semi-dense population areas. A suburban area is frequently a large community.

Populations in suburbs, a suburban area or a suburb in a nearby metropolitan area can vary from 10,000 to over a 1,000,000.

Rural: Rural areas are settled places outside towns and cities. Such areas are distinct from more intensively settled urban and suburban areas. These areas are mostly sparsely populated areas. Inhabitants live in villages, hamlets, on farms and in other isolated dwellings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developed_environments

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

as an uninformed person,why does this matter?

People will always be able to say more people voted for Clinton. Like In 2000 more people voted for Gore. It doesn't change who becomes president but it is a talking point when it comes to the will of the voters.

 

[Fenrir]

You assume people will see the consequences of their actions. They didn't with Bush. He scared them into voting him into office again. People hold on to their beliefs with more fervor as evidence piles up against them. It won't be Trump's fault, whatever he does. It will be the "Other's" fault.

Not everyone, but enough did to the point that defending Bush's legacy (particularly when it came to the Iraq war) became toxic even for Republican candidates. Heck, even Bill O'Reilly started backpedaling on the issue when he got cornered on it. In a way, those who are going on and on about the doom

If you want to fix something, you have to do something about it. You're on the Titanic like everyone else. Your lack of voting won't stop you from going down with the ship. Being right won't matter.

We did do something about it. And it was reduced to nothing. I didn't vote for Hillary because it was precisely what they were counting on me to do. They thought their political calculus had it in the bag. "What else are they going to do? Pffft, NOT vote for Hillary against Trump"? Well, yeah. Yes, this is a sinking ship, but unlike the Titanic, I believe it has enough lifeboats as long as people still believe in the ideals and principles this country was founded upon. It was Americans' disdain for the political establishment and its embodiment that was Hillary Clinton that ultimately gave us a Trump presidency. If there was even a half-decent Democratic alternative other Hillary Clinton - Sanders, Biden, Warren, anyone...it would have been that orangutan giving the concession speech today.

So again, don't blame us. Blame your s**tty candidate. People will vote as long as you give them something to vote for, not vote against.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The really funny thing (In a very sardonic manner) is that all the Trumpeters were pissing and moaning about the electoral college and how it was going to screw Trump in the end but the opposite seems to have happened.

 

[chaseter]

So will Hillary be indicted now or will Trump call off the hounds in January?

 

[Thundercrack85]

So will Hillary be indicted now or will Trump call off the hounds in January?

That would seem awfully vindictive. But it all depends on what Giuliani wants I guess.

 

[BoredGuy]

he's a toothless con-man, and there's nothing to indict her over, per Trump's pet FBI director

he's more likely to be indicted than she is

 

[Thundercrack85]

The really funny thing (In a very sardonic manner) is that all the Trumpeters were pissing and moaning about the electoral college and how it was going to screw Trump in the end but the opposite seems to have happened.

It's rigged!

 

[Kyle]

he's more likely to be indicted than she is

And hopefully fast.

 

[Fenrir]

You're like a fat Roman emperor who has grown fat and apathetic off what he perceives to be granted and abundant decadence. Some people may have their deaths, and it'll be down to political non-participants like you that that eventuality may arise.

Look, it's clear you don't know how to come up with even a barely-relevant analogy, so please don't even try. We busted our ass for the candidate who was backing proposals that would fix this country. We got spat and insulted at in return, and told to get in line and vote for the less s**tty candidate. If there is anyone who fits your fat Roman emperor analogy, it is Hillbots like you that got so used to the decadence of Washington and the political establishment that you masked your own apathy for the concerns of the people of this country with your incremental gradualism. People voted for Obama because they wanted change. This time, it was Trump promised them change, while Hillary swore to continue the legacy of her predecessor. Read between the f***king lines. You and Hillary are ultimately responsible for this mess. You chose the wrong candidate and the wrong f***king strategy.

Only a supremely ignorant person could look at the absolute luxury that Americans actually enjoy and call it the lesser of two evils. You must have zero ability to contextualize anything when you think the civility of the USA isn't a rare and valuable trait.

Oh please get off your high horse. When you get rid of the stars and stripes jingoism, there is very little that differentiates us from the "socialist" Canadians or Europeans that we think are so inferior to us (despite them being ahead of us in everything from education to employment to healthcare).

 

[Donner]

Not everyone, but enough did to the point that defending Bush's legacy (particularly when it came to the Iraq war) became toxic even for Republican candidates. Heck, even Bill O'Reilly started backpedaling on the issue when he got cornered on it. In a way, those who are going on and on about the doom



We did do something about it. And it was reduced to nothing. I didn't vote for Hillary because it was precisely what they were counting on me to do. They thought their political calculus had it in the bag. "What else are they going to do? Pffft, NOT vote for Hillary against Trump"? Well, yeah. Yes, this is a sinking ship, but unlike the Titanic, I believe it has enough lifeboats as long as people still believe in the ideals and principles this country was founded upon. It was Americans' disdain for the political establishment and its embodiment that was Hillary Clinton that ultimately gave us a Trump presidency. If there was even a half-decent Democratic alternative other Hillary Clinton - Sanders, Biden, Warren, anyone...it would have been that orangutan giving the concession speech today.

So again, don't blame us. Blame your s**tty candidate. People will vote as long as you give them something to vote for, not vote against.

That is a dangerous line of thinking. If Trump had said he wanted to bring back segregation, would you still not vote because Hillary deleted some emails? How far down the rabbit hole does this have to go for people to decide to vote against something?