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The Clinton Thread II

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I thought he was saying that many in Scotland were thrilled. Did he actually say they voted as a majority to leave? I haven't heard the soundbites. Just got home.

He probably had not even heard the breakdown of how N. Ireland, Wales and Scotland voted.

Scotland as we know had a vote to leave the UK and it failed because of the young voters, hence why the government lowered their voting age to 16, and of course on the same day in Westminster they denied that group a vote in the next EU referendum. *eyeroll*.... fast forward to today, and I have a feeling that Scotland's government is going to hurriedly bring up another vote to leave the UK and this time they will be hoping that those youngsters vote FOR IT, rather than AGAINST IT. My how the things change....
 
Republicans Fail to Pin Benghazi Attack on Hillary Clinton

http://gawker.com/republicans-fail-to-pin-benghazi-attack-on-hillary-clin-1782731461

The select committee interviewed at least 107 witnesses and reviewed 75,000 pages of documents. The investigation cost $7 million and taken longer than Congressional inquiries into 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Republicans blame President Obama for stonewalling their investigation, adding to its length and expense.


Well that was money well spent. And yet, we can't get one committee exploring gun violence, which affects many more Americans every single day.
 
Once-a-month update:

Previous recent presidential election results and trends (1988-2012) & exit polls

Current Benchmark Politics weekly electoral vote update. This map is based on polls only, using a 60-day rolling average.

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Light shade = <+3%, Mid = +3-+10%, Dark = >+10%

http://www.270towin.com/maps/benchmark-politics-electoral-map
https://***********/benchmarkpol/status/747796026728210432

This chart combines the latest opinion polls into trendlines using a poll-tracking model and is updated whenever a new poll is released.

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http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

FiveThirtyEight - 2016 Election Forecast (354 Clinton - 183 Trump)
Princeton Election Consortium (328 Clinton - 210 Trump)
Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 Clinton - 191 Trump)

2015 U.S. Census Population Estimate (all ages):

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As much as I like those poll numbers we can all ask Mittens Romney how well his great poll numbers worked out for him in 2012.
 
House Republicans Spent Millions Of Dollars On Benghazi Committee To Exonerate Clinton

Like eight previous reports, the bitterly partisan panel finds failings, but no blame for the former secretary of state.

After spending more than two years and $7 million, the House Select Committee on Benghazi released a report Tuesday that found — like eight investigations before it — no evidence of wrongdoing by then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or other members of the Obama administration.

The House voted to create the committee after Republicans were frustrated that even their own GOP-led committees failed to find wrongdoing in the events surrounding the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

But the new report also fails to find evidence of wrongdoing, revealing as all previous reports did that the administration’s response to the terror attacks was flawed, but not malicious or derelict.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57727ed2e4b017b379f74880

Would ya, look at all that fiscal conservatism. :o

Have half a mind to mail that stupid $7 million report to the IRS with a note telling them I didnt agree to pay for this and I want my money back or they can just consider us even for the next decade.:hehe:
 
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Hillary Clinton Offers Student Debt Deferral to Those Who Need it Most: Startup-Launching Americans

Hillary Clinton has a bold plan to ensure the bright future of every hardworking American who has the considerable resources required to start his or her own company: three years of student debt deferrals, for every single startup founder. Wonderful news for our striving technocrat class—they need all the help they can get.

What do we need? More startups. I thought about it this morning, as I do every morning, taking a pull from my brand new weed Keurig and considering such Silicon Valley mainstays as Washboard, the laundry quarter-delivery app, and SketchFactor, the one that helped rich white people avoid poor black neighborhoods.

What else do we need? Less debt, obviously. And who are the people most in need of debt forgiveness? The sort of people—overwhelmingly highly educated, white, male people—who launch startups.

Enter Hillary’s plan:

Hillary is committed to breaking down barriers and leveling the playing field for entrepreneurs and innovators who are launching their own start-ups. Hillary will allow entrepreneurs to put their federal student loans into a special status while they get their new ventures off the ground. For millions of young Americans, this would mean deferment from having to make any payments on their student loans for up to three years—zero interest and zero principal—as they work through the critical start-up phase of new enterprises. Hillary will explore a similar deferment incentive not just to founders of enterprises, but to early joiners – such as the first 10 or 20 employees.​

What’s more, the economic benefits will trickle down to those of us who don’t have the courage or inheritance (“more than 80% of funding for new businesses comes from personal savings and friends and family”) to start our own hovercraft-sharing services and toothpaste disruption ventures. Startups, with their famously long lifespans and reliable revenue models, will eventually provide jobs (well, independent contractor agreements) for all of us down the road, as long as they don’t shutter due to lack of users, like Washboard did, or succumb to an overwhelming tide of warranted criticism, like SketchFactor.

Student debt forgiveness is an essential piece of the puzzle for getting Americans who dropped out after watching The Social Network sophomore year back on their feet, and Clinton should be applauded for embracing it.

http://gawker.com/hillary-clinton-offers-student-debt-deferral-to-those-w-1782748041

And she wonders why folks think she is out of touch. This is dumb as hell.
 
Why is it dumb? Its hard to start a business or project when you are under crippling debt. Three year deferral should help. Its not a perfect solution, but its on the right path. I think doctors and medical students should be able to defer their debt too. Anyone in an important field should be able to so they can get going in their career and benefiting society then they can work on paying off that debt.

Like it or not the people that already ow college debt are still most likely going to owe that debt after college tuition and college loan reform. That debt is already sold to the highest bidder and the buyer of said debt isnt going to let that go easy regardless of college reform. So being able to defer that debt that wpnt be going away anytime soon for three years is better than loan sharks and banks garnishing your wages and hunting your ass down and shaking every last penny out of your pocket which the bastards do.
 
How the hell is that dumb? Seriously? I think that is an excellent idea.
 
For every Bookface there are a thousand useless startups that fizzle out within months. She should be doing things like allowing student debt to be refinanced when the rates are better or any number of more useful things than all the rich kids starting stupid apps.
 
There are already plenty of refinancing programs out there...and this along with other programs can certainly help people with student debt that can't move when needed to continue or move up in their jobs, among many other problems that that debt can do once they are set, they can begin paying off their debt, and when possible refinance, as most do with loans from time to time.
 
Its a bad idea because it encourages people to enter into a market that exists in a bubble that is in the process of bursting as VCs are reducing the amount of seed money available. Furthermore, it is already an over-saturated field. About 10 years ago, the legal market took a huge hit (and it is still just barely recovering) because of over-saturation. This policy encourages more people to enter into a field that is hyper-competitive, over-saturated, and already has more supply (of startups/engineers) than demand (of venture capitalists willing to fund these projects). It is a recipe for disaster.
 
Technology isnt going anywhere and its always in demand. Short of some drastic worldwide culture shift, technology and law are pretty much future proof careers.
 
Technology isnt going anywhere and its always in demand. Short of some drastic worldwide culture shift, technology and law are pretty much future proof careers.

This type of foolhardy lack of foresight is why we got hit so hard when the Dot Com Bubble burst.

Tech jobs may not be going anywhere, but the time where virtually any startup can get seed funding is quickly coming to a halt. Beyond that, the jobs will not be lucrative ones if the market is over-saturated (which it already is). It's basic supply and demand.
 
Its a bad idea because it encourages people to enter into a market that exists in a bubble that is in the process of bursting as VCs are reducing the amount of seed money available. Furthermore, it is already an over-saturated field. About 10 years ago, the legal market took a huge hit (and it is still just barely recovering) because of over-saturation. This policy encourages more people to enter into a field that is hyper-competitive, over-saturated, and already has more supply (of startups/engineers) than demand (of venture capitalists willing to fund these projects). It is a recipe for disaster.

They can start up in any market, not just the tech market.

IMO, the fact that people immediately think that is the direction they will all go is just as foolhardy and is another reason why we have fallen behind in so many other areas. You could have people coming out of College with CJ degrees that use to were only viable if you were headed into law, or law enforcement, but the security industry is one of the fastest growing industries out there, and one that is wide open for someone with a tech background and a CJ degree....

Students that are coming out of college today are for more interested in areas that are not "the big money makers at the time" and studies are showing this...

And, today even with a College degree you still have to start as the low man on the totem pole making "chicken scratch" and this will allow them to get settled in their career, build their income some before they start having to pay back the loans.

Teachers, one of the top 5 most stressful jobs would not have to worry about their debt from the "get-go" and possibly deter that 2 - 5 year group that we have leaving education because they just can't live on the salary, AND pay back loans... Education needs more single men and women, coming from the same kind of backgrounds that their students have come from, but they can't stay in education because they can't make a go of it at the low salary that some states think is a viable income. This could possibly help them handle those first few years better. Right now the only ones getting some of their loan payed by the state are those teachers going into Math, Science and Engineering, but people going into the Humanities get nothing. No incentive whatsoever unless you are in a Title 1 school, and you will get some help.

This could go a long way in many areas....
 
Hillary Clinton Meets With the Influencers Who Will Deliver Her the Youth Vote

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On Tuesday, Variety reports, Hillary Clinton attended a town hall event in Hollywood with a group of digital content creators, influencers, and YouTube personalities as part of her effort to charm younger voters, many of whom voted for her rival Bernie Sanders in the primary.

Clinton’s schedule Tuesday also included a fundraiser at Sean Parker’s house and a $33,400 per couple dinner benefiting the Hillary Victory Fund.

According to People, the town hall discussion, which was curated by BeautyCon, included YouTubers like Jordyn Woods, Whitney White, and someone called Swoozie. White, a YouTuber, asked Clinton how she intends to earn back the trust of African-American voters leery of her early ‘90s “superpredator” comments and her advocacy for the proliferation of the modern carceral state.

“What are your concrete plans to win back the trust of Black America?” White asked, as quoted by People. “As you know, and respectfully, have been involved in systematically racism is a real problem.”

“I certainly understand and even agree with what you said about the perpetuation of systemic racism,” Clinton said. “I have spoken out about that. I have addressed it. I also was very honored to receive a huge percentage of the vote of the African-Americans in the primary and I am grateful for that because so many people know of my history. I don’t always talk about it, so I’m not surprised that younger people don’t.” She added: “I am more than open to an receptive to dealing with the systemic problems that are in root of injustice, disunity, and inequality in our country.”

Later, everyone took a selfie.

“This could be better than the Oscars,” Clinton said, hiply. “We have to send it to Ellen and tell her what we’ve done here!”

The CEO of BeautyCon, Moj Mahdara, told Variety that the issues influencers care about are probably different than those other voting blocks are concerned with.

“The way those issues are experienced are just changed now,” she said. “For us it is so visceral. You see it on Instagram and social media….This is an audience that understands their life to be an ‘on-demand’ experience, so I think politics has not necessarily caught up to this generation in the sense that politics is not ‘on demand.’ You see it takes many many years to pass laws in the legislature, but this audience is just coming to terms with what our government looks and feels like.”

She thought that Clinton did well in addressing some of the issues. “I think they were learning from her, but I think she was also learning from them.”​

One can only hope.

http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/hillary-clinton-hollywood-digital-content-creators-1201805289/

So bizarre to see her interacting with what appear to be children to me haha.
 
It's just a whacko conspiracy theory for whacko conspiratists like Trump.

There's dozens of better ways to communicate and not be noticed.

According to a law enforcement official familiar with the matter, the former president saw Lynch's plane on the tarmac and walked onto her aircraft. Lynch's FBI security detail did not stop Clinton and he proceeded to initiate an extended conversation that ranged from grandchildren to the West Virginia coal industry. Lynch was surprised to see Clinton walking onto her plane, the official said, and no Justice Department business was discussed.

Speaking at a news conference in Phoenix on Tuesday, Lynch confirmed the meeting and denied the two spoke about any matter pending before the Justice Department or the Benghazi probe. She also said the former president "did not raise anything" about an ongoing case or anything of that nature.

"I did see President Clinton at the Phoenix airport as he was leaving and spoke to myself and my husband on the plane," Lynch said according to CNN affiliate KNXV/ABC15. "Our conversation was a great deal about grandchildren, it was primarily social about our travels and he mentioned golf he played in Phoenix."

The former president's aide said nothing beyond Lynch's characterization of the account was discussed, and that Clinton "always" extends this courtesy when he is around cabinet secretaries, members of Congress and other dignitaries, pointing to the former president's unplanned meeting with Sen. Ted Cruz at an Alabama airport in May.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/bill-clinton-loretta-lynch/index.html
 
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An unplanned run in with somebody you've known and been friends with for years... how dare they talk about their grandkids?!?!

Idk, Clinton getting on their plane is kinda weird and unnecessary, but I don't see much of an issue there if the convo remained off-topic
 
Innocent or npt, it looks bad, and she should have known better.
 
An unplanned run in with somebody you've known and been friends with for years... how dare they talk about their grandkids?!?!

Idk, Clinton getting on their plane is kinda weird and unnecessary, but I don't see much of an issue there if the convo remained off-topic

Does not matter, innocent or not, that should not have happened. ESPECIALLY if you are already considered friends. Prove to me the conversation remained off the topic of the investigation.....you can't, and therein lies the problem.
 
I'm voting for Clinton because I'm pro rich people with power getting away with crimes.
 
I'm voting for Clinton because I'm pro rich people with power getting away with crimes.
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I find it fascinating how people still think this election let alone any election in the world right now has anything to do with political parties.

This is now straight up Soft Nationalism (Trump and Johnson and the like don't want to destroy globalism but rather save it before it goes beyond the point of no return in terms of economic inequality) vs Hyper Globalism.

Trump has used the Republican party as a vehicle for power and change. He's challenging both parties in the U.S and accusing both of them of high levels of corruption and sell out of the country (not the false equivalency that the radicalized left and stiff Republicans are trying to make of Trump setting up an obvious hokey real estate seminar that a smart 6th grader would come to realization with) that has sold the future of every American citizen for quick/cheap results in the now.

Yeah, Hillary is all about true Democracy and the people when she's waging a 1 billion dollar war funded by the very people/organization/groups her sheep supporters apparently hate or admonish. Talk about putting your head in the sand.
 
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