The Clinton Thread II

[Zur-en-Arrh]

kelly, as you're on the ground, do you think texas will ever vote democrat for a presidential election in our lifetime?

 

[Kelly]

kelly, as you're on the ground, do you think texas will ever vote democrat for a presidential election in our lifetime?

Depends on how old you are....

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

i just celebrated my third 29th birthday

 

[Kelly]

i just celebrated my third 29th birthday

Maybe within your lifetime, but very doubtful.

Had their been a downward trend from the 2008 to the 2012 election I might be more optimistic for you....but that didn't happen.

It's weird though....for a state to have 3 cities in the top 10 in population and #11 in that list is also a Texas city.....and for all of those cities to go democrat in each election....you would think that Texas would be closer than it is....but it isn't.

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/...-top-four-texas-cities-and-loses-by-15-point/

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

thanks for the link

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Once-a-month update (previous - end of June 2016):

Previous recent presidential election results and trends (1988-2012) & exit polls

Current Benchmark Politics weekly electoral vote update. This map is based on polls only, using a 60-day rolling average.

Light shade = <+3%, Mid = +3-+10%, Dark = >+10%

http://www.270towin.com/maps/benchmark-politics-electoral-map
https://mobile.***********/benchmarkpol/status/760525293597581312

This chart combines the latest opinion polls into trendlines using a poll-tracking model and is updated whenever a new poll is released.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton-vs-johnson (third party candidate included)

FiveThirtyEight - 2016 Polls-Only Election Forecast (310 Clinton - 227.7 Trump)
Princeton Election Consortium (324 Clinton - 214 Trump)
Larry J. Sabato's Crystal Ball (347 Clinton - 191 Trump)

2015 U.S. Census Population Estimate (all ages):

 

[Thundercrack85]

kelly, as you're on the ground, do you think texas will ever vote democrat for a presidential election in our lifetime?

I would optimistically say 2036. It also depends on when robots will be given the right to vote.

 

[Lighthouse]

I would optimistically say 2036. It also depends on when robots will be given the right to vote.

#DroidLivesMatter

 

[Matt Mortem]

I read an article about Clinton possibly flipping Arizona. I'm of two minds about it. While I'd love for my home state to go blue, I think it may be a waste of resources if she can more easily and capably get other battleground states. I do think that within the next 10 years AZ will be a solid blue.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I read an article about Clinton possibly flipping Arizona. I'm of two minds about it. While I'd love for my home state to go blue, I think it may be a waste of resources if she can more easily and capably get other battleground states. I do think that within the next 10 years AZ will be a solid blue.

I mean, if she schedules Trump's tantrums right, she can easily campaign in all those states.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I read an article about Clinton possibly flipping Arizona. I'm of two minds about it. While I'd love for my home state to go blue, I think it may be a waste of resources if she can more easily and capably get other battleground states. I do think that within the next 10 years AZ will be a solid blue.

I would have Arizona as Clinton's fourth mostly likely pickup from 2012, after North Carolina, Georgia, and the Nebraska 2nd Congressional District. She has far more in the way of money and resources than Trump, so if she can force him to play defense in Georgia and Arizona, that hurts him in the actual tipping point states.

 

[Slushy]

[YT]Lkbw_BZ8nao[/YT]

Hillary plans to fu** over hard working Americans. I'll give her credit though. At least, she was honest for a change!

 

[Marvolo]

[YT]Lkbw_BZ8nao[/YT]

Hillary plans to fu** over hard working Americans. I'll give her credit though. At least, she was honest for a change!

The middle class includes people making over $100,000 a year. The more you make the more you should be taxed. What you call "****ing over Americans" I call responsible taxation.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Also, that money you are taxed doesn't just disappear. It goes into infrastructure, sanitation, welfare, etc. You know, **** we need to have the healthy, happy, prosperous society we want and enjoy.

 

[Slushy]

[YT]jboTeS9Okak[/YT]

Old video, but the point stands. Higher taxes isn't the answer. (Starts at the 6:40 mark)

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

federal income tax began to be collected in 1913. but the roaring twenties were an unregulated time and we had the stock market crash and the only thing that pulled america out was roosevelt's new deal which of course raised income taxes on the wealthy. that created revenue. that same general mindset continues through the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's. i presume this is the era that trump speaks of when he says 'make america great again.' the era of new deal republicans. nixon's top rate was 70 percent, ike's was 90, capital gains also were higher. enter reagan and his con of trickle down economics which led to his own 'black monday' and the tanking of an economy that eventually led to bill clinton being elected. clinton got a slightly higher rate, tho nowhere near what they were prior to reagan, and job creation boomed. enter bush and his tax cuts which is still one of the largest chunks of obama's defecit, and we have another bust, ending with 800k jobs being lost a month. enter obama, shifting the pendulum back to slightly higher taxes and you have 20 million jobs and growing.

and lol at tony robbins face juxtaposed with reagan and washington.

 

[Marvolo]

[YT]jboTeS9Okak[/YT]

Old video, but the point stands. Higher taxes isn't the answer. (Starts at the 6:40 mark)

Well if the millionaire motivational speaker that has been in trouble for fraud, plagiarism, and copyright infringement says higher taxes aren't the answer it must be true.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/business/putting-numbers-to-a-tax-increase-for-the-rich.html?_r=0

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/23/business/higher-taxes-on-everyone-could-ease-spending-cuts.html

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2015/01/27/Taxing-Wealthy-Promotes-Economic-Growth

Highter taxes, especially for the rich, is the common sense answer, but the GOP won't let go of trickle down economics. They'd rather keep helping the rich become more rich, and ****ing over the lower class, and increasing inequality in this country.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

Well if the millionaire motivational speaker that has been in trouble for fraud, plagiarism, and copyright infringement says higher taxes aren't the answer it must be true.

yeah, i can't imagine why tony robbins would try to spin it this way.

in short, all you have to do is regard the past 3 presidents. clinton was a job creator, bush nearly tanked us all, obama is a job creator. 'nuff said as to which method works. trickle down economics is a "trust me" con.

 

[SV Fan]

yeah, i can't imagine why tony robbins would try to spin it this way.

in short, all you have to do is regard the past 3 presidents. clinton was a job creator, bush nearly tanked us all, obama is a job creator. 'nuff said as to which method works. trickle down economics is a "trust me" con.

Giving tax breaks to people who will spend the money they save helps the economy but once you get to a certain point(salary), an extra tax break is not going to change somebodys spending habits.

 

[chaseter]

in short, all you have to do is regard the past 3 presidents. clinton was a job creator, bush nearly tanked us all, obama is a job creator. 'nuff said as to which method works. trickle down economics is a "trust me" con.

What?

 

[Kelly]

yeah, i can't imagine why tony robbins would try to spin it this way.

in short, all you have to do is regard the past 3 presidents. clinton was a job creator, bush nearly tanked us all, obama is a job creator. 'nuff said as to which method works. trickle down economics is a "trust me" con.

Hmmm.....


Actual job growth during the last 4 Presidents....and demographically speaking, much smaller population during the 80's and 90's. Another thing to look at is the Great Recession started soon after Bush took office...If you look at Bush's 27 month period after his economic bottom, and Obama's 27 month period after his economic bottom, they actually had almost the exact same job creation numbers, and I mean, almost exact.....but Bush created more total jobs....THEN we had a 2nd major recession and that pretty much stalled any jobs being created until after Obama's economic bottom hit.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

i'm not sure i follow your point. bush 2 ended with a negative 400k jobs, obama is presently at plus 10 million. are you suggesting jobs created under bush 2 that were also wiped out under bush 2 should count towards his success as an economic president?

 

[Slushy]

Shawn Lucas, activist who served the lawsuit to the DNC, is the latest figure associated with the DNC leaks and election fraud case to die in mysterious circumstances.

Seth Rich, a DNC Data Director, was beaten, shot and killed in the morning of July 8 while he was walking home and talking on the phone to his girlfriend. Police have said they haven’t determined if his murder was a botched robbery – however this is unlikely as the killer or killers appear to have taken nothing from their victim, leaving behind his wallet, watch and phone.

Julian Assange’s lawyer, John Jones, QC, died this week after being hit by a train at a London station.

Victor Thorn, prominent Clinton researcher and author, was also found unexpectedly dead this week.

Hey look, more "coincidences"!

 

[Kelly]

i'm not sure i follow your point. bush 2 ended with a negative 400k jobs, obama is presently at plus 10 million. are you suggesting jobs created under bush 2 that were also wiped out under bush 2 should count towards his success as an economic president?

I never said he was a success as an economic President. I never said he was a success at anything...

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

Hey look, more "coincidences"!

another day and the clinton machine marches on.

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