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Lawyers that only bill $400 an hour rely a lot on precedent and what you can drum up on Westlaw. Why not use "case of first impression" here? Seems appropriate given the age of email usage and it's legality.

Because the Judicial Branch does not legislate. Pesky separation of powers.

But you've just shown how naive you are on this topic. You are Googling words and terms you neither know nor understand. You don't even know what a case of first impression is. Its not "we don't like this behavior so we are going to prosecute where no statutory provision exists and throw someone in jail for breaking a law that isn't on the books." A case of first impression is an issue with an existing statute that is being examined for the first time. It is INTERPRETING a law that exists. Not creating new ones. An example would be if there is a law that defines "man" and "woman" INTERPRETING how that applies to transgender individuals (I am not sure that this would actually be first impression, I am sure that some court has done just that). Its not rewriting statutes or updating them as necessary. That is the legislature's job.

But please, continue to use terms you do not understand. Maybe when you're done with that you can go tell a doctor a more efficient way to perform heart surgery?
 
Because the Judicial Branch does not legislate. Pesky separation of powers.

But you've just shown how naive you are on this topic. You are Googling words and terms you neither know nor understand. You don't even know what a case of first impression is. Its not "we don't like this behavior so we are going to prosecute where no statutory provision exists and throw someone in jail for breaking a law that isn't on the books." A case of first impression is an issue with an existing statute that is being examined for the first time. It is INTERPRETING a law that exists. Not creating new ones. An example would be if there is a law that defines "man" and "woman" INTERPRETING how that applies to transgender individuals (I am not sure that this would actually be first impression, I am sure that some court has done just that). Its not rewriting statutes or updating them as necessary. That is the legislature's job.

But please, continue to use terms you do not understand. Maybe when you're done with that you can go tell a doctor a more efficient way to perform heart surgery?

Yes, interpreting a law that exists. Laws written in 1917 would have nothing to include digital data. So therefore, case of first impression might have some play here considering email did not exist when the law was written. I'm talking about the lack of precedent. Email has only been used widely for less than 20 years.

Wouldn't "man or woman" in regards to transgender be just as appropriate to "documents" in regards to email?
 
Because the Judicial Branch does not legislate. Pesky separation of powers.

But you've just shown how naive you are on this topic. You are Googling words and terms you neither know nor understand. You don't even know what a case of first impression is. Its not "we don't like this behavior so we are going to prosecute where no statutory provision exists and throw someone in jail for breaking a law that isn't on the books." A case of first impression is an issue with an existing statute that is being examined for the first time. It is INTERPRETING a law that exists. Not creating new ones. An example would be if there is a law that defines "man" and "woman" INTERPRETING how that applies to transgender individuals (I am not sure that this would actually be first impression, I am sure that some court has done just that). Its not rewriting statutes or updating them as necessary. That is the legislature's job.

But please, continue to use terms you do not understand. Maybe when you're done with that you can go tell a doctor a more efficient way to perform heart surgery?

I don't really see the difference between what Hillary did and Bryan Nishimura
Former Navy reservist Bryan Nishimura
Year: 2007-2008

Issue: Distribution of classified material.

Law: Unauthorized removal and retention of classified material.

Outcome: Plead guilty to unauthorized removal of classified materials. Sentenced to two years probation and a $7,500 fine.

Comparison: Nishimura downloaded and stored classified materials on personal electronic devices, transported the material from his base in Afghanistan to the United States and destroyed a large amount of the material in his home. The FBI investigation did not find evidence that Nishimura intended to distribute the classified information externally. The FBI did not find intent to distribute classified information in the Clinton case, nor intent to mishandle classified information. The FBI also found the storage of classified materials on personal electronic devices in the Clinton case. It did not find improper destruction of such material.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mail-case-compares-similar-fbi-probes-n604856

My guess is it is because he downloaded it onto the device ostensibly making a copy, but is there really any difference if you set up your own private server?
 
Yes, interpreting a law that exists. Laws written in 1917 would have nothing to include digital data. So therefore, case of first impression might have some play here considering email did not exist when the law was written. I'm talking about the lack of precedent. Email has only been used widely for less than 20 years.

Wouldn't "man or woman" in regards to transgender be just as appropriate to "documents" in regards to email?

No, it DOESN'T come into play. Unless there is a Constitutional implication (the right to bear arms, for example) the judiciary does not evolve statutes with time. That is not what a "first impression case" is.

Man vs woman applies because gender status implicates fundamental, constitutionally guaranteed rights. This does not.

The only time it would be appropriate for the court to rule on how technological advancements apply to a statute is when a Constitutional question is invoked. Example --- Does information under the Stored Communications Act enjoy Fourth Amendment protections. Is searching a hard drive a "search" for Constitutional purposes. Things like that.

The Court does NOT update statutes. That is unconstitutional. It falls to the legislature to update statutes for evolving technology. They haven't. And that INACTION is viewed as an exercise of legislative authority. It is the legislature making a choice not to legislate and update a statute, for whatever reason (even if the reason is political inability). It is a question for the political process. The Court cannot say "we want to update this statute so we're doing it." That is a legislative power as is delegated to the legislature by the Constitution. If the legislature does not do it, that is their prerogative. The end. The Court doesn't get to second guess the wisdom of not updating a statute.

Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about and the more you talk, the sillier you sound. Just stop. Clinton did not do anything illegal, as is defined by a statute. As such, prosecution is improper.
 
I don't really see the difference between what Hillary did and Bryan Nishimura


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mail-case-compares-similar-fbi-probes-n604856

My guess is it is because he downloaded it onto the device ostensibly making a copy, but is there really any difference if you set up your own private server?

"Pled guilty of removal and retention of classified material." That's not a statute. Again, WHAT IS THE CHARGE? What Court was he tried in? What rights did he surrender (which can be done through contract) by voluntarily joining the military? What federal court was he tried in? Was it the Court of Military Justice? Was he charged for violating military laws? These are all questions that need to be answered before its appropriate to compare these cases. Just because you don't see the difference does not mean that there is no difference.
 
I don't really see the difference between what Hillary did and Bryan Nishimura


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...mail-case-compares-similar-fbi-probes-n604856

My guess is it is because he downloaded it onto the device ostensibly making a copy, but is there really any difference if you set up your own private server?

Using the private server means she downloaded and stored it outside the custody of the US Government. Also, depending on the type of services that she setup, she could have shared those emails with commercial ISPs, spam filters and other cloud services. Sharing it with her Attorneys means she provided classified data to unauthorized personnel. Having Attorneys delete over 30,000 emails is also a violation of these statutes.
 
No, it DOESN'T come into play. Unless there is a Constitutional implication (the right to bear arms, for example) the judiciary does not evolve statutes with time. That is not what a "first impression case" is.

Man vs woman applies because gender status implicates fundamental, constitutionally guaranteed rights. This does not.

The only time it would be appropriate for the court to rule on how technological advancements apply to a statute is when a Constitutional question is invoked. Example --- Does information under the Stored Communications Act enjoy Fourth Amendment protections. Is searching a hard drive a "search" for Constitutional purposes. Things like that.

The Court does NOT update statutes. That is unconstitutional. It falls to the legislature to update statutes for evolving technology. They haven't. And that INACTION is viewed as an exercise of legislative authority. It is the legislature making a choice not to legislate and update a statute, for whatever reason (even if the reason is political inability). It is a question for the political process. The Court cannot say "we want to update this statute so we're doing it." That is a legislative power as is delegated to the legislature by the Constitution. If the legislature does not do it, that is their prerogative. The end. The Court doesn't get to second guess the wisdom of not updating a statute.

Dude, you have no idea what you are talking about and the more you talk, the sillier you sound. Just stop. Clinton did not do anything illegal, as is defined by a statute. As such, prosecution is improper.

Sigh... Case of first impression can be used anytime a case without precedent comes across a jurisdiction's desk.

Comey is saying she did break the law but because of prior precedence and the fact that the US AG only prosecuted this type of case one other time they didn't want to get into celebrity hunting. Why prosecute her this one time just because she's famous? It's almost like the fact that he's a Republican is why he doesn't recommend further action to show the FBI is bipartisan.

"Pled guilty of removal and retention of classified material." That's not a statute. Again, WHAT IS THE CHARGE? What Court was he tried in? What rights did he surrender (which can be done through contract) by voluntarily joining the military? What federal court was he tried in? Was it the Court of Military Justice? Was he charged for violating military laws? These are all questions that need to be answered before its appropriate to compare these cases. Just because you don't see the difference does not mean that there is no difference.

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Sigh... Case of first impression can be used anytime a case without precedent comes across a jurisdiction's desk.

Comey is saying she did break the law but because of prior precedence and the fact that the US AG only prosecuted this type of case one other time they didn't want to get into celebrity hunting. Why prosecute her this one time just because she's famous? It's almost like the fact that he's a Republican is why he doesn't recommend further action to show the FBI is bipartisan.



:funny:

I'm done with this discussion. I leave you with this: You don't understand what you are talking about. You are just so wrong on so many levels and the more you talk, the stupider you sound. You are not a lawyer but you are intent on telling a lawyer how the law works. As a result, you making an idiot of yourself. So I am just done. Have a nice day.
 
Ladies and gentlemen...I give you Unbreakable Lex:

 
As Comey is being destroyed at this moment for the exact same line of reasoning I'm following.

Hillary Clinton gave non cleared people access to classified information. Lawyers and IT professionals. Of course there's intent there even though statute 18 USC 793 does not require intent.

Seriously, demand a refund from your law school.
 
I was just going to ask for everyone's impressions of the hearing, especially given Cummings' questions.
 
Great moment for the Republicans as the Democrats were honestly an incohherent mess for the most part.

Comey has done a great job as an attorney but has done a disgraceful job as an FBI director in this particular case. He's a good guy but in my view he's failed in handling this decision due to his interpretation of intent one that I actually found valid but nowhere near fair.

A necessary hearing.
 
FBI Director Testifies Before Congress About Recommendation Not to Charge Hillary Clinton

In his first public appearance since announcing on Tuesday that the FBI would not recommend prosecuting Hillary Clinton over her use of a private email server as secretary of state, agency director James Comey defended his decision before the House Oversight Committee on Thursday.

Although the FBI and the Department of Justice have foregone prosecution, Comey described Clinton’s actions “extremely careless” and said that “no reasonable prosecutor” would bring an indictment. In his opening statement, the ranking Democrat on the committee, Representative Elijah Cummings, said the point of the hearing was for Comey to “fill the gap.”

Cummings went on to ask Comey to explain why General David Petraeus, the former CIA director who plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified information, was prosecuted for his misconduct while Clinton was not.

“Clearly intentional conduct. Knew what he was doing was violation of the law,” Comey said. “Huge amounts of information. If you couldn’t prove he knew it, raises the inference [that] he did it and effort to obstruct justice. That combination of things makes it worthy of a prosecution. A misdemeanor prosecution, but a prosecution nonetheless.” Comey also denied that the Attorney General Loretta Lynch, the Department of Justice, or the FBI had been influenced by a “bribe” from Clinton, as Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has alleged.

Representative Jason Chaffetz, the chairman of the committee, asked Comey directly whether Clinton lied under oath about her email practices. “We have no basis to conclude she lied to the FBI,” the director responded. Apparently baffled by such a specific response to a vague question, Chaffetz said that he would ask the FBI to investigate whether Clinton lied to Congress.

According to Comey, while Clinton did make statements that proved to be untrue, the case did not warrant the Justice Department’s second prosecution on charges of “gross negligence” in a century. “I know that’s been a source of some confusion for folks,” Comey testified. “That’s just the way it is. I know the Department of Justice, I know no reasonable prosecutor would bring this case.”

Chaffetz and other Republican representatives repeatedly tried to corner Comey on the issue of whether an employee of the FBI, who was found to have conducted themselves similarly to Clinton, would have his or her security clearances revoked. Comey was clearly reluctant to engage in such a hypothetical, but acknowledged that there would be “consequences.”

“Amazingly, some Republicans who were praising you just days ago... instantly turned against you,” Representative Cummings said at one point. “In their eyes, you had one job and one job only, to prosecute Hillary Clinton.”

Indeed, Representative Chaffetz, whose government-issued business cards list his personal Gmail account, had only nice things to say about Comey just weeks before his Tuesday announcement. As The Huffington Post points out, in a June 6 appearance on Fox News Chaffetz described Comey as “a man of integrity and honesty.”

“His finger is on the pulse of this,” Chaffetz added. “Nothing happens without him, and I think he is going to be the definitive person to make a determination or a recommendation.” Asked whether Republicans would accept a recommendation from the FBI not to prosecute Clinton, Chaffetz said, “Oh, probably. Because we do believe in James Comey.”

http://gawker.com/fbi-director-testifies-before-congress-about-recommenda-1783274613

Sounds very familiar... I do like Lex's argument though; "I've got a bunch of people who don't understand the law asking questions to a lawyer getting the same answers but because we are both equally ignorant in the law and ask the same questions we must be right!"

It's eerily similar to the "I'm not a scientist" BS the GOP likes to spout when they also talk about the things they know nothing about but want to seem like they do.
 
Hush, DJ. The guy who doesn't even know what a case of first impression is is lecturing us on how the law works. We should be grateful for this opportunity.
 
FBI Director Testifies Before Congress About Recommendation Not to Charge Hillary Clinton



http://gawker.com/fbi-director-testifies-before-congress-about-recommenda-1783274613

Sounds very familiar... I do like Lex's argument though; "I've got a bunch of people who don't understand the law asking questions to a lawyer getting the same answers but because we are both equally ignorant in the law and ask the same questions we must be right!"

It's eerily similar to the "I'm not a scientist" BS the GOP likes to spout when they also talk about the things they know nothing about but want to seem like they do.

A. Intent is not needed for all of these statutes.
B. Intent has always been clear anyway.
C. Comey took a major hit.
 
"Pled guilty of removal and retention of classified material." That's not a statute. Again, WHAT IS THE CHARGE? What Court was he tried in? What rights did he surrender (which can be done through contract) by voluntarily joining the military? What federal court was he tried in? Was it the Court of Military Justice? Was he charged for violating military laws? These are all questions that need to be answered before its appropriate to compare these cases. Just because you don't see the difference does not mean that there is no difference.

I posted the link on the FBI's website a few pages back. He was prosecuted by a US State attorney. Charges should be the same for Clinton. Dude took classified data home on an unsecured device. Was that attorney 'unreasonable'?

If you could explain the difference, we all would appreciate that.
 
Here's the three minutes from today's hearing that matters.

https://***********/zachery_kelley/status/751128066164789248
 
So is that hearing thing worth watching in its entirety?
 
A. Intent is not needed for all of these statutes.
B. Intent has always been clear anyway.
C. Comey took a major hit.

I'm going to walk you through this one more time:

Intent is required in all but one subsection but it is not the ONLY element. ALL elements must have prima facie cases. Another element is knowledge. ACTUAL and CONSTRUCTIVE knowledge of delivery to a third party, as is defined by the pertinent statutes. She had intent to put these on her server (and no, her personal server is NOT a third party under the Act, before you go down that road, nor are her lawyers or IT professionals), but no intent to deliver them to an ACTUAL third party (as is defined by the statute). THAT is what the intent requirement is under the Espionage Act. It is not satisfied because there is no ACTUAL third party (as is defined by the statute).

The one subsection that does not require intent is subsection F which requires GROSS MISCONDUCT. Gross misconduct is a legal term of art. Its not a layperson's understanding of it. Gross misconduct is judged based on reasonable person standard in the RELEVANT COMMUNITY. Its not how you or I would act. It is how other SecStates in the digital era, who preceded Hillary Clinton would act. Colin Powell, Madeline Albright, and Condi Rice, the three people who fit that description (in other words, the ONLY other members of the RELEVANT COMMUNITY) have done the same thing. Therefore it is common practice. BY DEFINITION GROSS MISCONDUCT CANNOT BE COMMON PRACTICE IN THE FIELD. If every heart surgeon in the country started cutting out people's hearts and eating them as the person lies on the operating table, it may violate another statute, but, by definition, it would cease to be gross misconduct. You cannot have gross misconduct when it is the norm. This isn't an arguable fact. It is the law.

Finally, the statute was silent regarding electronic transmission. The Rule of Lenity is a Constitutional protection, coined by Justice Scalia no less, that basically holds that when a statute is ambiguous or silent on a matter, it MUST be interpreted in a manner that favors the Defendant. Not can, not may, MUST. The silence regarding electronic transmission alone means that none of these subsections apply.

Now there is a catch all term, I believe in regard to the Espionage Act it is "other such instrumentalities" or something along those lines.

That does not apply here. Again, as explained by Justice Scalia there is a canon of statutory construction (how we read statutes) called ejusdem generis. When there is a catchall term, you understand that term by the list that precedes it. For example, if a statute prohibits having vehicles in the park and defines "vehicles" as "bikes, skateboards, scooters, and others," the word others MUST (again, not can or may) be read as non-motorized recreational vehicles. It would not apply to cars.

The Espionage Act lists things like "books, papers, maps," etc. Everything listed is something that would relate to a hard, physical copy. Therefore you LEGALLY CANNOT apply emails to that statute under ejusdem generis. That is the law. It is not optional. This isn't something that can be selectively followed.

Finally, even assuming there was a valid legal ambiguity in a statute (and again, there's not because the judicial branch does not update statutes), it still cannot be a case of first impression (a term you continuously have misused today). Cases of first impression are APPELLATE matters. To have a case of first impression, there must be an actual case-or-controversy, before an appellate court. You cannot use a criminal trial to determine a matter of LAW. That's not how it works. Comey could not say "We're gonna prosecute her and let her appeal to settle this area of law." That would be creating a sham case-or-controvery through collusion, which is at best unethical, at worst illegal. Trial courts do not settle ambiguous laws. They are not the place that first impression case would be litigated. A first impression issue would be brought up on appeal following the trial level proceedings. But again, you're understanding of that term is so wrong and perverted that its almost not worth mentioning because it simply does not apply here.

It cannot be explained any more clearly than that.

Lex, I like you, I really do. That is why I am being so patient. It cannot be explained any clearer than this. You are making an idiot of yourself. I do not say that to be mean. I say it because you are being stubborn, irrational, unreceptive to fact (not opinion, fact) and making yourself come off as uneducated and stupid. Please, for the sake of your reputation, just stop.
 
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I posted the link on the FBI's website a few pages back. He was prosecuted by a US State attorney. Charges should be the same for Clinton. Dude took classified data home on an unsecured device. Was that attorney 'unreasonable'?

If you could explain the difference, we all would appreciate that.

Tell me what he was charged with, what statute was he charged under, and I will gladly try to distinguish.
 

I'd say that the key difference is that, if I am understanding Nishimura's case properly (and I am, admittedly, not as familiar with it as Clinton's), Nishimura carried the documents out on a physical hard drive/laptop. "Possession" and "removes" are the two key terms of 1924. What does it mean to possess? Actual possession. Same with removal. Actual removal. Nishimura had a physical object with documents on it that he removed. That is the distinguishing fact. The trouble with Clinton's prosecution is, electronic transmission through email is not defined by Congress as a means of removal. Thus, Rule Against Lenity applies.

In addition, there is the knowledge requirement. Nishimura admitted knowledge that he was carrying away classified documents. Clinton did not. Nishimura admitted that he knew that doing so was unauthorized. Clinton did not (which is highly relevant due to the fact that her three predecessor did the same).

There are quite a few distinguishing facts between the two cases. I found this while trying to find the underlying facts of the Nishimura case. It actually breaks down the comparisons to Nishimura (and other cases) quite well.

https://www.mediamatters.org/resear...her-baseless-comparison-clinton-emails/211379
 
I'm going to walk you through this one more time:

Intent is required in all but one subsection but it is not the ONLY element. ALL elements must have prima facie cases. Another element is knowledge. ACTUAL and CONSTRUCTIVE knowledge of delivery to a third party, as is defined by the pertinent statutes. She had intent to put these on her server, but no intent to deliver them to an ACTUAL third party (as is defined by the statute). THAT is what the intent requirement is under the espionage act. It is not satisfied because there is no ACTUAL third party (as is defined by the statute).

Untrue. She gave IT professionals and her attorneys access. Her attorneys then likely hired contract attorneys to sift through the doc pull to identify emails via key word and then had them parsed. All illegal. All with intent. For the FBI Director to say the attorneys deleted those emails without Hillary's permission kills his credibility. It just does.

The one subsection that does not require intent is subsection F which requires GROSS MISCONDUCT. Gross misconduct is a legal term of art. Its not a layperson's understanding of it. Gross misconduct is judged based on reasonable person standard in the RELEVANT COMMUNITY. Its not how you or I would act. It is how other SecStates in the digital era, who preceded Hillary Clinton would act. Colin Powell, Madeline Albright, and Condi Rice, the three people who fit that description (in other words, the ONLY other members of the RELEVANT COMMUNITY) have done the same thing. Therefore it is common practice. BY DEFINITION GROSS MISCONDUCT CANNOT BE COMMON PRACTICE IN THE FIELD. If every heart surgeon in the country started cutting out people's hearts and eating them as the person lies on the operating table, it may violate another statute, but, by definition, it would cease to be gross misconduct. You cannot have gross misconduct when it is the norm. This isn't an arguable fact. It is the law.

That subsection has nothing regarding intent. She took classified information away from government custody. Period. It says you shall be fined or imprisoned for up to 10 years for violating. Then there's the misdemeanor that I haven't even addressed, the one being discussed in the similar case.

Finally, the statute was silent regarding electronic transmission. The Rule of Lenity is a Constitutional protection, coined by Justice Scalia no less, that basically holds that when a statute is ambiguous or silent on a matter, it MUST be interpreted in a manner that favors the Defendant. Not can, not may, MUST. The silence regarding electronic transmission alone means that none of these subsections apply.

Now there is a catch all term, I believe in regard to the Espionage Act it is "other such instrumentalities" or something along those lines.

That does not apply here. Again, as explained by Justice Scalia there is a canon of statutory construction (how we read statutes) called ejusdem generis. When there is a catchall term, you understand that term by the list that precedes it. For example, if a statute prohibits having vehicles in the park and defines "vehicles" as "bikes, skateboards, scooters, and others," the word others MUST (again, not can or may) be read as non-motorized recreational vehicles. It would not apply to cars.

The Espionage Act lists things like "books, papers, maps," etc. Everything listed is something that would relate to a hard, physical copy. Therefore you LEGALLY CANNOT apply emails to that statute under ejusdem generis. That is the law. It is not optional. This isn't something that can be selectively followed.

Hence the need for first impression, but no need because Email has already been legally defined and would fit under the statutes definitions. It's not a smart defense to stand on. Of course emails and electronic data apply here.

Finally, even assuming there was a valid legal ambiguity in a statute (and again, there's not because the judicial branch does not update statutes), it still cannot be a case of first impression (a term you continuously have misused today). Cases of first impression are APPELLATE matters. To have a case of first impression, there must be an actual case-or-controversy, before an appellate court. You cannot use a criminal trial to determine a matter of LAW. That's not how it works. Comey could not say "We're gonna prosecute her and let her appeal to settle this area of law." That would be creating a sham case-or-controvery through collusion, which is at best unethical, at worst illegal. Trial courts do not settle ambiguous laws. They are not the place that first impression case would be litigated. A first impression issue would be brought up on appeal following the trial level proceedings. But again, you're understanding of that term is so wrong and perverted that its almost not worth mentioning because it simply does not apply here.

Matter of first impression
First impression (known as primae impressionis in Latin) is a legal case in which there is no binding authority on the matter presented. Such a case can set forth a completely original issue of law for decision by the courts. A first impression case may be a first impression in only a particular jurisdiction. In that situation, courts will look to holdings of other jurisdictions for persuasive authority.

In the latter meaning, the case in question cannot be decided through referring to and/or relying on precedent. Since the legal issue under consideration has never been decided by an appeals court and, therefore, there is no precedent for the court to follow, the court uses analogies from prior rulings by appeals courts, refers to commentaries and articles by legal scholars, and applies its own logic. In cases of first impression, the trial judge will often ask both sides' attorneys for legal briefs.[20]

In some situations, a case of first impression may exist in a jurisdiction until a reported appellate court decision is rendered.

Lex, I like you, I really do. That is why I am being so patient. It cannot be explained any clearer than this. You are making an idiot of yourself. I do not say that to be mean. I say it because you are being stubborn, irrational, unreceptive to fact (not opinion, fact) and making yourself come off as uneducated and stupid. Please, for the sake of your reputation, just stop.

I appreciate it. I'm not heated, I try to stay away from personal attacks, and understand what this forum is for. I appreciate you laying out your point of view for me. I obviously don't agree with you but do appreciate and acknowledge that you are more experienced and trained in the matter of law than I.

You are basically arguing that there is no need for anyone to have a security clearance.
 
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