The Clinton Thread II

[KRYPTON INC.]

Who Leaks the WikiLeaks?

(Homer Simpson voice) "I don't know... MySpace?"

 

[SV Fan]

I don't put much stock into polls(and I don't put much into this one either) but it's nice seeing this one from Missouri with Clinton leading

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/poll-clinton-trump-missouri-226418

Clinton leads Trump by just a single point, 41 percent to 40 percent, in a fresh St. Louis Post-Dispatch/Mason-Dixon Polling & Research poll released Friday. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson earned 9 percent support from those polled, while another 9 percent said they were undecided.

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[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Random thought, we all know the Middle East isn't the most progressive when it comes to women's rights. What if terrorist start coming super-hardcore if Hillary is elected because they perceive her as weak?

 

[BatLobster]

I think we need to be prepared to deal with an escalation in terrorism as preemptively as possible, regardless of who is elected. Though if you ask me, ISIS would much rather Trump be President because in their mind his marginalization of Muslims would only send more disenfranchised young people into their arms, thus playing directly into what they want.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Clinton campaign also hacked in attacks on Democrats - sources

 

[Webfoot Hero]

FBI warned Clinton campaign last spring of cyberattack

 

[Slushy]

[YT]DckY2dRFtxc[/YT]

Sound familiar? I guess that makes Clinton a racist too. Let's call a spade a spade.

 

[Matt]

[YT]DckY2dRFtxc[/YT]

Sound familiar? I guess that makes Clinton a racist too. Let's call a spade a spade.

Yes, because there is no difference between a nuanced policy discussion and saying "they're drug dealers, rapists, and murderers."



Come on man, you're just being intellectually dishonest.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

[YT]DckY2dRFtxc[/YT]

Sound familiar? I guess that makes Clinton a racist too. Let's call a spade a spade.

Yeah, giving context, talking about comprehensive immigration policy reform, showing sympathy to poor migrants, talking about employer sanctions, using diplomatic language in speaking of the Mexican government and NOT painting a picture of roaming bands of criminals and rapists flooding across our border to scare people... None of that is at all how the Republican nominee has spoken about these issues.

I'm Hispanic, and guess what? I don't want illegal immigration either. But I don't think demonizing poor people who by and large come here to WORK, not live off of government largess, is going to accomplish that, especially since the employers that are the main reason these people come here have gotten off relatively Scott free for decades. Bluster, demagoguery, stroking hatred and resentment... Those aren't policies. Neither is a fantasy of building a border wall that stretches across our Souther border. I know it makes some feel good that Trump says mean and nasty things but that's not a cogent vision of how to approach this or any other problem.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Context and facts are overrated. Just ask Trump.

 

[SV Fan]

Clinton is in Omaha, Nebraska now. Looks like she really wants that 1 electoral vote(Nebraska and Maine are the only 2 states that divide up electoral votes by congressional district)

 

[Sithborg]

Or it could be to do some fundraising.

 

[Kelly]

Or it could be to do some fundraising.

I am sure that is exactly what it is....is Bill with her? If he is, it is definitely a fundraiser.

 

[SV Fan]

I am sure that is exactly what it is....is Bill with her? If he is, it is definitely a fundraiser.

I didn't see Bill but Omaha native Warren Buffet was there. Omaha to me for the Democrats is that one place they go to if they really want to go on the offensive(it basically says we are so confident we winning these other states that we want this 1 electoral point). Personally I think it's a mistake fighting for that one electoral point because if it ever comes down to election by most congressional districts(+ States won(2)) Republicans basically could win with like 46-47% of the vote, by winning Omaha you only highlight that yes some states do use this method

For the sake of argument here is the 2012 election results if each congressional district was worth 1 electoral point, and each state worth 2 electoral points

 

[Kelly]

yes I've seen that map before....quite interesting

 

[hippie_hunter]

I didn't see Bill but Omaha native Warren Buffet was there. Omaha to me for the Democrats is that one place they go to if they really want to go on the offensive(it basically says we are so confident we winning these other states that we want this 1 electoral point). Personally I think it's a mistake fighting for that one electoral point because if it ever comes down to election by most congressional districts(+ States won(2)) Republicans basically could win with like 46-47% of the vote, by winning Omaha you only highlight that yes some states do use this method

For the sake of argument here is the 2012 election results if each congressional district was worth 1 electoral point, and each state worth 2 electoral points

From the looks of it, the Hillary campaign wants to make this election a landslide in the Electoral College just to mess with Trump's massive ego. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make serious plays for Arizona, Indiana, Montana, Alaska, and Georgia as well.

And it's smart as well IMO. Hillary will be walking into the White House automatically as a very unpopular President. She will be elected not because people like or want her as President, but because of independents and Republicans who see her as the only viable choice when the alternative is Donald Trump. She will be dealing with a Republican House and looking more and more likely a Republican Senate. A massive Electoral College victory would give her some much needed momentum to push her agenda and get some things done like a Supreme Court nominee.

 

[SV Fan]

yes I've seen that map before....quite interesting

I guess the counter argument is if all of a sudden we go by congressional district, Obama spends less time in Cleveland(to drive out the vote) and more time in the Cincinnati Suburbs(ie try win over those swing districts)

From the looks of it, the Hillary campaign wants to make this election a landslide in the Electoral College just to mess with Trump's massive ego. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make serious plays for Arizona, Indiana, Montana, Alaska, and Georgia as well.

I would probably say that after North Carolina, the best bets to go blue are Georgia, Arizona and Missouri. The other 3 you mentioned(Indiana, Montana and Alaska) would be in that next teir

 

[Thundercrack85]

Is Georgia realistic?

 

[SV Fan]

Is Georgia realistic?

Other then North Carolina, no state won by a Republican had a closer vote in 2012 then Georgia(53.3% - 45.5%). Georgia has a large minority population that a get out to vote campaign could make it closer.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ga/georgia_trump_vs_clinton-5741.html

There is a poll that came out today that has it as a tie(although collectively Trump is up when you average polls)

Personally I think Georgia is a long shot but if Hillary starts adding to the Obama 2012 map, Georgia will most likely be the 2nd state she wins after North Carolina

 

[Thundercrack85]

Gary Johnson could really effect the outcome of this election.

Feels weird typing that.

 

[Slushy]

Ironically, this came from a Bernie source.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Huh. Be funny if Tim Kaine is like Frank Underwood off camera.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Other then North Carolina, no state won by a Republican had a closer vote in 2012 then Georgia(53.3% - 45.5%). Georgia has a large minority population that a get out to vote campaign could make it closer.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ga/georgia_trump_vs_clinton-5741.html

There is a poll that came out today that has it as a tie(although collectively Trump is up when you average polls)

Personally I think Georgia is a long shot but if Hillary starts adding to the Obama 2012 map, Georgia will most likely be the 2nd state she wins after North Carolina

I think we need to start looking beyond just minorities when it comes to these states. These states also have significant educated suburban populations that usually vote Republican, but are being turned off by Trump's tone on military veterans, women, legal immigrants, etc.

The Trump campaign should be really worried about two demographics they are doing poorly with and have traditionally voted Republican: white college educated voters and married women. His poor standing with those two demographics will cost him much needed votes in suburbs surrounding cities like Phoenix, Atlanta, Indianapolis, Charlotte, Hampton Roads, Cincinnati, St. Louis, etc.

 

[Kelly]

Ironically, this came from a Bernie source.

There is nothing ironic about that at all....

******** Sanders supporters and Conspiracy seeking Trump supporters are simply two sides of the same coin. Neither seem to be thinking clearly these days.

 

[summerteeth]

There is nothing ironic about that at all....

******** Sanders supporters and Conspiracy seeking Trump supporters are simply two sides of the same coin. Neither seem to be thinking clearly these days.

Is that really a conspiracy theory, seems like typical horse trading that goes on in DC.