The Daily Planet Vol. 2: Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Mysteryman]

I never had a problem with th real Hank Henshaw being a scumbag. He wasn’t exactly a legacy figure in the comics.More of a blank slate, really.
Do With Him What You Will.

 

[Mysteryman]

The real ones know it as the Warworld Saga crest!

Only the best mainline Supes story of the last 20 years!

Unique Costume.

 

[Gu3ree]

Except most of those turned out fairly well? J'onn was pretty true to the character of J'onn J'onzz and they regularly called him that, Hank Henshaw was the face he used which afforded them the opportunity to bring him back as well (his portrayal wasn't great, but that's a whole other convo), the Steel twist was awesome and pretty universally praised. It wasn't "just for the sake of it" - they did those things to surprise even the comics fans who think they know where it's going, and it usually worked. Just like with the Doomsday/Bizarro "fakeout" that they pretty cleverly brought full-circle at the end of S3. Even Morgan Edge being a secret Kryptonian ended up being a pretty effective backstory, and he behaved fairly true to the Morgan Edge character until that reveal. That's the fun of adaptation, especially with characters that have had multiple incarnations over the decades.

At least we know John Jones was planned, as was Reverse-Flash. I stopped watching Supergirl after the middle of season 2 though. I think the Steel twist worked out enough for Superman & Lois, but what bothered me is that the writers and producers did say in an interview that the Steel twist wasn't originally planned, so it makes me wonder when they decided to do that, if it was before or after they shot the pilot. I wondered the same thing about Morgan Edge really being Tal-Rho. I'm not convinced that they had that planned from the beginning. Actually I haven't watched S&L season 3 yet...only season 1 is available on the Apple Japan store.

But the one plot twist that I highly doubt was ever originally planned in the Arrowverse was Jay Garrick really being Hunter Zoloman aka Zoom. So Zoloman was just playing Team Flash the whole time? I wasn't convinced, and I believe they only decided that some time before the middle of the season. I still don't know how and why Zoloman disguised as Jay Garrick was able to run with yellow lightning speed...was there an explanation for that? I just didn't buy it.

 

[flickchick85]

At least we know John Jones was planned, as was Reverse-Flash. I stopped watching Supergirl after the middle of season 2 though. I think the Steel twist worked out enough for Superman & Lois, but what bothered me is that the writers and producers did say in an interview that the Steel twist wasn't originally planned, so it makes me wonder when they decided to do that, if it was before or after they shot the pilot. I wondered the same thing about Morgan Edge really being Tal-Rho. I'm not convinced that they had that planned from the beginning. Actually I haven't watched S&L season 3 yet...only season 1 is available on the Apple Japan store.

But the one plot twist that I highly doubt was ever originally planned in the Arrowverse was Jay Garrick really being Hunter Zoloman aka Zoom. So Zoloman was just playing Team Flash the whole time? I wasn't convinced, and I believe they only decided that some time before the middle of the season. I still don't know how and why Zoloman disguised as Jay Garrick was able to run with yellow lightning speed...was there an explanation for that? I just didn't buy it.

I've blocked out most of what I saw of The Flash after S1, so I'll take your word for that.

As to the rest, I'd argue it's totally irrelevant what was planned from the start if it works. The main difference between film and TV is that television is an ongoing story that evolves as it goes - the writers can see their own show and how it's playing out and change things up as they see fit depending on what they feel is working and what needs to change. Sometimes it's for the better, sometimes, not so much. Those examples you mentioned all worked well for the story imo.

 

[Herolee10]

The real ones know it as the Warworld Saga crest!

Only the best mainline Supes story of the last 20 years!

Personally, I'm still really grateful that Gunn made the lower right line a little bit bolder when compared to the other side. It really helps with giving off the 'S' visual.

 

[Gu3ree]

I've blocked out most of what I saw of The Flash after S1, so I'll take your word for that.

As to the rest, I'd argue it's totally irrelevant what was planned from the start if it works. The main difference between film and TV is that television is an ongoing story that evolves as it goes - the writers can see their own show and how it's playing out and change things up as they see fit depending on what they feel is working and what needs to change. Sometimes it's for the better, sometimes, not so much. Those examples you mentioned all worked well for the story imo.

Understood. As for S2 of The Flash, I just recall the season having way too many plot twists and feeling a bit messy. It wasn't as good as season 1, though it followed almost the same plot line, which I found extremely redundant. Zoom was just another Reverse-Flash only faster and spookier, which almost degraded Reverse-Flash. So much for making Reverse-Flash faster than Barry.

I'm feeling fairly certain Gunn wants to surprise us. I just can't say that this black suited masked figure is anything but impressive so far, because it isn't, unless there will be some big revelation in the movie to which I hope is worth it.

 

[Herolee10]

In the past, one of the main reasons why Lex grew to hate Superman was because of his jealousy over the latter's powers. However, we are now entering a world that was supposedly filled with several superheroes before Superman even made his debut.

Do you guys see this having an impact on that plot point?

 

[flickchick85]

In the past, one of the main reasons why Lex grew to hate Superman was because of his jealousy over the latter's powers. However, we are now entering a world that was supposedly filled with several superheroes before Superman even made his debut.

Do you guys see this having an impact on that plot point?

I think the crux of it was always Superman becoming Metropolis's favorite son and champion of mankind instead of Lex - the powers are just a part of that. The DC Comics universe includes all these heroes and a ton more, and Lex's motivations haven't really changed in them for decades. Lex's story in this movie seems to heavily revolve around that resentment so I don't think it will be much of a change at all.

 

[Babillygunn]

I don’t know why one would think this is not Superman-centric just because it has other characters? Everything we’ve heard about the plot sounds 100% like a Superman story.

This.
The beauty of Superman is that a large part of his character is how he impacts and shapes the world around him. He should be inspiration incarnate. He’s always the one to whom the watching world reacts. And it is important to see those reactions.

And let’s face it: if anyone thinks this will be “Guy Gardner: the movie, with special guest Superman” they are in for a rude awakening.

 

[Babillygunn]

In the past, one of the main reasons why Lex grew to hate Superman was because of his jealousy over the latter's powers. However, we are now entering a world that was supposedly filled with several superheroes before Superman even made his debut.

Do you guys see this having an impact on that plot point?

I don’t think that Lex is jealous because Superman has powers and he doesn’t. That’s too simple. Lex has proven himself smart enough that if he wanted to, I’m sure that he could find a way to super-power himself.

I am kind of interested to see the dichotomy between Lex and Mr. Terrific explored a bit. Lex and Curtis Holt have a lot in common, except that Holt is not an insecure, petty d!?&. (Instead Mr Terrific is just a common running the mill d!?& who also happens to be a good guy.)

 

[Deck Rickard]

The real ones know it as the Warworld Saga crest!

Only the best mainline Supes story of the last 20 years!

LOL when did Superman become He-Man?

It’s a great Pride outfit though. I might have to rock something similar this year.

 

[Babillygunn]

LOL when did Superman become He-Man?

It’s a great Pride outfit though. I might have to rock something similar this year.

You are talking about one of the best Superman stories of the past 25 years.

Warworld Saga is flat out amazing and I would be over the moon if it was given cinematic treatment.

 

[Herolee10]

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[hopefuldreamer]

In the past, one of the main reasons why Lex grew to hate Superman was because of his jealousy over the latter's powers. However, we are now entering a world that was supposedly filled with several superheroes before Superman even made his debut.

Do you guys see this having an impact on that plot point?

It seems like the other heroes are all working for Stagg though right? So Lex might feel like Superman is the wild card he doesn't have any control or influence over because he's not working within the system, he's working outside of it?

 

[Superark]

Everything from David Corenswet reaffirms my feelings that he is the perfect actor to be this generation's Superman. It's great to see him get some spotlight articles. I expect the Corenswet media push to be heavy as soon as the new trailer drops.

Also, on a somewhat unrelated note, seeing the reaction to the Sentry suit and comparing it to some of the more negative reactions to Corenswet's suit continues to remind me of how toxic a section of the online community is.

Both suits look great and are very similar in fit. I think we are going to get away from the skin tight spandex look moving forward. The only exception to that I rule I think will be Spider-Man.

 

[flickchick85]

Loving these David articles, just mad they’re not coming with new pictures.

 

[flickchick85]

I love everything he’s saying here about the Supes/Clark dichotomy:

The first time he felt the impact of it was through the eyes of other people. To him, it was old hat, but when he walked onto set the first time in the suit he noticed something different from the cast and crew.

“I saw their faces sort of light up and I went, ‘Wait a minute, these people aren’t that fond of me,’” he laughed. “That’s when it hits you.”

There are almost three roles involved in playing Superman. There’s the person he is with his parents and the people he grew up with. There’s Clark Kent of the Daily Planet. And then there’s Superman.

“He’s a public facing character, he’s a symbol,” Corenswet said. “There’s a presentational element to it, because he does want to present an image of calm and authority. While he doesn’t always feel that way, he always wants to make other people feel that way as Superman.”

To prepare for Clark Kent, Corenswet looked at the All-Star Superman comic and how Christopher Reeve changed his posture when Lois left the room, but he also drew inspiration for the voice and demeanor way outside of the canon: His brother-in-law, who is 6’8” and 270 pounds, but is the “quietest, most wonderful man.”

“That’s where I sort of took the spirit of Clark,” Corenswet said. “He’s this big presence, but he’s desperately trying to be as small as possible and as quiet as possible.”

 

[NotToday]

Quote from Gunn:

“It’s a personal journey for Superman that’s entirely new,” Gunn said. “It is, first and foremost, about what does Superman learn about himself. But it’s also about the robots and the flying dogs and all that stuff. It’s taking a very real person and putting them in the middle of this outrageous situation and outrageous world and playing with that. I think it’s a lot of fun because of that.”

This summer at the movies, superheroes, from ‘Superman’ to ‘Fantastic Four,’ return

Superheroes are back in a big way this summer at the movies, with big offerings from both DC and Marvel.

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[Herolee10]

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So I take this to mean we are actually getting two more trailers?

 

[Mysteryman]

So I take this to mean we are actually getting two more trailers?

They have less than three months.
They better get those trailers out,
FASTER THAN A SPEEDING BULLET!

 

[Gu3ree]

Dang it. I wish Gunn wouldn't make two trailers. First one was a teaser trailer, but it was still a trailer with footage. That counts. Remember what happened when WB released that third trailer for BvS? (after the Comic Con one, the one revealing trinity and Doomsday...) After WB released that BvS trailer on Jimmy Kimmel Live, it was a few months later if I recall, maybe less than 6 weeks...when they released a 4th trailer for the movie (I'm counting the teaser trailer as the first) because they were concerned that audiences had lost interest, feeling as if they saw most of the movie already, so by releasing that 4th trailer, they wanted to assure audiences that there was still plenty of more to see. By record, all that was not revealed in the BvS trailers, clips, TV spots were just Jonathan Kent's cameo, and Superman's death by Doomsday. Practically everything else we saw. At least enough of it.

I do want a trailer, but preferably, it should be the *final* trailer, and the rest will be clips and TV spots that come after it as expected. If Gunn reveals the black masked character, then we'll have even a greater picture of what the movie is, much like the BvS Trinity Doomsday trailer.

Man of Steel had 5 trailers including the Nokia one which I didn't watch.

 

[Tra-El]

In the past, one of the main reasons why Lex grew to hate Superman was because of his jealousy over the latter's powers. However, we are now entering a world that was supposedly filled with several superheroes before Superman even made his debut.

Do you guys see this having an impact on that plot point?

I always viewed Lex's deep, deep hatred for Superman as knowing, deep down, that he would never be able to come to grips with Superman's innate and genuine goodness in his heart.

Lex is the highest functioning; narcissistic psychopath if there ever was one. If anyone has ever dealt with a toxic narcissist in their life, you can legit watch them squirm in someone's presence filled with genuine positivity and good intentions. Lex views in Superman is that way and he loathes him for it. In order for Lex to be beloved by the masses and be their white knight (as flick mentioned) he has to go against every evil and manipulative bone in his body to achieve that since he will go to great stone cold lengths to pull the wool over the populaces eyes. He has to win the people over by reaching deep down and become somebody he is not.

With Superman? Kal wins the people over by pure goodness that comes so natural and easy that he could do it with his eyes closed on any givin' day out of sheer kindness and want-to. For me, that's where Lex's hatred lies at his core (among all the other classic things mentioned).

There's nothing more Lex wants than to prove how big of a phony Superman really is when in reality, it's the total opposite, and that eats at his soul.

Givin' how Gunn explains the other heroes in Superman aren't necessarily old-school and view Superman's good hearted nature as "naive", that theory seems to fit the bill in this iteration as well that ultimately could drive Lex crazy in its own regard.

 

[chintai80]

I always viewed Lex's deep, deep hatred for Superman as knowing, deep down, that he would never be able to come to grips with Superman's innate and genuine goodness in his heart.

Lex is the highest functioning; narcissistic psychopath if there ever was one. If anyone has ever dealt with a toxic narcissist in their life, you can legit watch them squirm in someone's presence filled with genuine positivity and good intentions. Lex views in Superman is that way and he loathes him for it. In order for Lex to be beloved by the masses and be their white knight (as flick mentioned) he has to go against every evil and manipulative bone in his body to achieve that since he will go to great stone cold lengths to pull the wool over the populaces eyes. He has to win the people over by reaching deep down and become somebody he is not.

With Superman? Kal wins the people over by pure goodness that comes so natural and easy that he could do it with his eyes closed on any givin' day out of sheer kindness and want-to. For me, that's where Lex's hatred lies at his core (among all the other classic things mentioned).

There's nothing more Lex wants than to prove how big of a phony Superman really is when in reality, it's the total opposite, and that eats at his soul.

Givin' how Gunn explains the other heroes in Superman aren't necessarily old-school and view Superman's good hearted nature as "naive", that theory seems to fit the bill in this iteration as well that ultimately could drive Lex crazy in its own regard.

i'm imagining how this will play out in the movie.
lex crying out tears of hatred when superman ultimately proves him wrong.

so many possiblities!
i'm so hyped for this.
feels so good to be excited for a superman movie again.
and it's been a minute!